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Iheartmysmart · 16/02/2021 09:34

Ooh what have we been accused of? I’m happy to put my hands up if I’ve done/said something wrong but I don’t think our discussions are in conspiracy theorist territory. Far from it in fact.

@TrustTheGeneGenie I’m a big believer in fate. Before I bought my flat I put an offer in on one that fell through. Was gutted at the time but much prefer where I am. In fact the first one has just gone back on the market less than 2 years later.

@LivinLaVidaLoki Similar issues to food here. It happens when I feel I have no control over my life, so unsurprisingly it’s reared it’s ugly head again. Am hoping it will improve once life starts to return to normal.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 16/02/2021 09:46

Morning. The Daily Telegraph has an article about two studies (one from the Uni of Warwick, the other UCL) both of which suggest schools do not drive infections. Happy to do a copy and paste if anyone would like to read. Positive stuff.

Worldgonecrazy · 16/02/2021 09:53

I find myself in a quandary. I am pro sensible vaccination. I am very anti forced vaccination.

I am happy to get vaccinated but feel as though by doing so I am not taking a personal stand for bodily autonomy, which I hold sacrosanct.

I think I’m going to delay and see how it plays out. My age group should be offered first jab around May so there will be a better feel for the political environment by then.

The idea of needing to be vaccinated against an illness with such a low death rate, just to enter shops or go to events bothers me. I also think we are veering into feminist territory as women of child bearing age who are actively trying to get pregnant have never thought it okay or necessary to demand proof of vaccination from those around them, yet some diseases can be devastating in pregnancy. Women are expected to suck it up and take personal responsibility.

I would be interested in other thoughts?

Iheartmysmart · 16/02/2021 10:20

Similar thoughts here @Worldgonecrazy I have no problem with vaccinations but the vaccine passports being mooted are a concern. It feels a bit like being told you can’t have a life unless vaccinated which doesn’t sit well with me.

Had a severe reaction to a childhood vaccine when I was about 5 and haven’t had any since. Early 50s now and apart from a bout of German Measles in my late teens and flu in 1976 I’m rarely ill. Am reluctant to have a vaccine that might make me ill but I want my life back, I want children to go to school and people to be able to go on holiday. Who knows!

starfish88 · 16/02/2021 10:20

I hadn't thought about it like that @Worldgonecrazy but that is a very good point.

I was explaining to someone the other day how vaccination in general has been a win for women and feminism because when we don't have to churn out loads of kids in the hope of some of them making it through all the childhood illnesses of the past, we can actually have a value of our own beyond as an incubator and since we don't have to start having babies so early to ensure we have plenty while it's safest in our youth we can actually have an education. Someone was convinced by the whole Bill Gates wants to use the vaccine to lower birth rate being the same thing as the vaccine makes you infertile hence the explanation.

But yes as someone whose bodily autonomy was ignored during pregnancy and breastfeeding I can see how important it is to value bodily autonomy too. It's a hard balance isn't it.

SirSamuelVimes · 16/02/2021 10:22

Yes please, @TooManyPlatesInMotion. I'd like to have a read.

Very interesting point, @Worldgonecrazy. I agree that with pregnancy the responsibility is very much out on the pregnant woman, not the people around her.

BogRollBOGOF · 16/02/2021 10:25

Vaccination isn't coming my way until they hit 40+ (it's not quite quick enough to catch me in my 30s Grin ) At present I'm happy to have it, the programme is going well, and side effects don't seem to be a major problem. I was originally cautious about virus risk/ vaccine risk. Coercion by needing vaccine passports is definitely off-putting. I have family in another country so do need to be able to travel.
Most people are taking up the vaccine when offered, and time, positive results and rumor debunking should improve the take up in people who are initially less keen.

My mother is being vaccinated this week... she's in her 50s! MiL at 89 is still waiting as she's subject to the EU programme Shock

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 16/02/2021 10:32

@SirSamuelVimes. Here it is. I have also included a link to the Warwick Uni press release below too, because this contains some more detail.

Sarah Knapton, Science Editor:
There is no data to show that schools are driving the spread of coronavirus but mounting evidence that keeping them closed is damaging children, two reports by government advisers have found.

Next week, the Government is expected to announce that schools will reopen on March 8, but Boris Johnson suggested on Monday that the return could be staggered, with year groups coming back at different times.

Pressure to get children back into classrooms as quickly as possible is growing amid increasing realisation of the damage that being away is doing to education, health and wellbeing.

A new study by Dr Mike Tildesley and Dr Edward Hill, from the University of Warwick – who sit on the Children's Task and Finish Working Group (TFC) advising the Government on transmission in schools – said they had found no evidence that schools were responsible for spreading Covid.

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After looking at school absences due to the virus between September and December, they found that schools actually lagged cases in the community, suggesting infections were linked to growth in the wider environment.

Dr Tildesley said it was necessary to balance the importance of school with the risk of rising infections, adding: "Any epidemiologist will advise you that everyone stays in lockdown until we have herd immunity. Of course in reality we can't do that – we need to weigh up risk with the benefits of gradually reopening society.

"Children have been out of education for a really long time, which is damaging for well-being and damaging for their long-term educational needs, and it's really really hard for parents who are having to engage in home schooling.

"We're in a situation where cases are now coming down and have been for a number of weeks, the pressure is slowly easing up in hospitals and the number of deaths are going down. Hopefully by the March 8 we'll be in a position to cautiously start to relax things."

The study showed that the number of absences caused by Covid in primary schools was low, and that although there were more secondary school infections they fell in the second half of the November lockdown despite schools staying open, suggesting the case rates were linked to community transmission.

The proportion of teachers absent in primary schools was very similar to that in secondary schools despite fewer pupil infections, again suggesting that children were not driving the spread.

A separate review, authored by Professor Russell Viner, of University College London (UCL), who also sits on the TFC, found school closures to be "associated with considerable harms to children and young people's health and well-being".

The review looked at 72 studies from 20 countries that had experienced lockdowns and school closures and found that between 18 and 60 per cent of youngsters scored above risk thresholds for distress, particularly anxiety and depressive symptoms.

There were also marked rises in screen time and social media use and reductions in physical activity. Child protection referrals fell between 27 and 39 per cent, with a halving of the expected number of referrals originating in schools.

The authors said policy-makers must seek to balance the risk of transmission against the damage from missing school, concluding: "Education is one of the strongest determinants of health, and disruption to it influences health and wellbeing in various ways.

"There is clear evidence that education loss leads to long-term reductions in health and life expectancy. School closures as part of broader social distancing measures are associated with considerable harms to children and young people's health and well-being."

Warwick Uni press release:
warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/new_research_finds_no_evidence_that_schools_are_playing_a_significant_role_in_driving_spread_of_the_covid-19_virus_in_the_community1

SirSamuelVimes · 16/02/2021 10:34

Thanks very much, @TooManyPlatesInMotion

BogRollBOGOF · 16/02/2021 10:44

On appetite, I'm fairly in tune with what my body needs and my appetite adjusts accordingly. If I have a heavy lunch out, I need very little in the evening. If I'm running hard training for a race, my appetite will increase. I might have a decreased appetite around the actual run, but it will come back the next day. If, like in lockdowns my energy use goes down, with a bit of lag time, my appetite goes down too. In recent weeks I've grazed more out of boredom, but taken smaller portions at dinner. Acute stress can affect my appetite and go to my digestive system.

If it's just a subconcious physical adjustment, that's OK. I'm burning hundreds of calories less per day in school runs, going to the leisure centre/ shops type thing, plus loss of regular exercise routine.

If it's a more concious thought process and intrusive/ obsessive, then that is more troubling, especially if weight is changing significantly.

SirSamuelVimes · 16/02/2021 11:12

I'm the opposite, I'm now pretty much at the stage of self harming with food. I know I'm making myself fatter, and that is making me more unhappy. But I keep going back to the thought of "fuck the gov wanting me to be healthy so I'm not a burden on the nhs, fuck the whole fucking situation, if I can't have anything else good I'm at least going to have chocolate / chips / cake / takeaway". It's definitely becoming self destructive now but I can't face trying to eat healthily in a house where no-one but me wants to eat any veg, no-one but me will eat any fish or seafood. I feel like I'm perpetually providing food or clearing up from making food and the thought of having to do even more prep and shopping so I can have healthy meals is honestly dreadful to me.

Bollss · 16/02/2021 11:13

@SirSamuelVimes

I'm the opposite, I'm now pretty much at the stage of self harming with food. I know I'm making myself fatter, and that is making me more unhappy. But I keep going back to the thought of "fuck the gov wanting me to be healthy so I'm not a burden on the nhs, fuck the whole fucking situation, if I can't have anything else good I'm at least going to have chocolate / chips / cake / takeaway". It's definitely becoming self destructive now but I can't face trying to eat healthily in a house where no-one but me wants to eat any veg, no-one but me will eat any fish or seafood. I feel like I'm perpetually providing food or clearing up from making food and the thought of having to do even more prep and shopping so I can have healthy meals is honestly dreadful to me.
Oh yeah this is me as well. I've never eaten so badly in my life!
TooManyPlatesInMotion · 16/02/2021 11:50

@SirSamuelVimes

I'm the opposite, I'm now pretty much at the stage of self harming with food. I know I'm making myself fatter, and that is making me more unhappy. But I keep going back to the thought of "fuck the gov wanting me to be healthy so I'm not a burden on the nhs, fuck the whole fucking situation, if I can't have anything else good I'm at least going to have chocolate / chips / cake / takeaway". It's definitely becoming self destructive now but I can't face trying to eat healthily in a house where no-one but me wants to eat any veg, no-one but me will eat any fish or seafood. I feel like I'm perpetually providing food or clearing up from making food and the thought of having to do even more prep and shopping so I can have healthy meals is honestly dreadful to me.
This is me too. I feel dreadful.
wanderings · 16/02/2021 12:20

It's terrible the way that Saint Boris and his merry men are forcing us into this unhealthy lifestyle, having previously lectured us about not being too fat and a burden on the NHS, and "we must be fitter to resist the virus": this last one from Saint Boris himself. And they're keeping our swimming pools, gyms and organised sport CLOSED, still with no date on the horizon for their return. Fucking hypocrites.

Seriouslymole · 16/02/2021 12:21

@SirSamuelVimes - I'm with you also. @LivinLaVidaLoki - I think the fact that you've recognised it is a good thing. Can you make steps to have two smaller meals in the day now?

I need to take steps to having two smaller meals in the day as well, but only because currently they are massive.

@Worldgonecrazy - I hear you and I don't know what the answer is. I'm volunteering at a vax centre because I want to assuage my guilt at not having the vaccination but I don't want to have the vaccination because I want to know the long term effects, but then I think why should other people trial that for me and round and round it goes. I'm a very confused person on many levels at the moment.

DWPmisery1972 · 16/02/2021 12:31

I did it!!

DWPmisery1972 · 16/02/2021 12:33

Thank you thank you thank you for the cheerleading- I DID IT!!!

Catching up on the thread now, Flowers for all having food issues in whichever direction - that passive aggressive bullshit from the government during the first wave(?) about weight loss was just cruel imo for instance.

SirSamuelVimes · 16/02/2021 12:42

@DWPmisery1972 so pleased for you and so proud of you! Well done. That took a lot of doing.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 16/02/2021 12:47

So proud of you @DWPmisery1972

justasking111 · 16/02/2021 12:53

Well this is interesting Wales pushing ahead with second jab which is good. But then admitted they only have a couple of weeks jab left, so if you're over 65 get one in the net at least. But where does that leave the 18 to 64 vulnerable, or the over 60s. Mmmm . We all know that the wall of shortages will hit everyone at some time within the UK. Asthma now off list of vulnerable Ditto diabetes

starfish88 · 16/02/2021 12:59

Amazing job @DWPmisery1972 I'm so glad you got through to them. That was really brave!

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 16/02/2021 13:38

Well done @DWPmisery1972. Smile

Mrsfrumble · 16/02/2021 14:46

Asthma now off list of vulnerable Ditto diabetes

Hmmm, wonder if this is regional? Because I know people who were counted as vulnerable because of asthma and diabetes (and are under 50) who have already had their jabs. This is in London.

Interesting point about vaccine production not being able to keep pace with the program. When that happens will they let those of us who are unvaccinated take our chances?

countrygirl99 · 16/02/2021 14:49

DH was vaccinated yesterday as group 6 due to diabetes.

ISaySteadyOn · 16/02/2021 15:17

Well done, @DWPmisery1972! It's such a difficult thing and you did it!

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