Poor, poor woman

[Mookie81]

Complete lack of support and nowhere to turn.
A terrible deed but I feel so sorry for her.
And where the fuck was her ex? Living in Spain while she was driven to despair.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9186243/Olga-Freemans-friends-reveal-agony-trapped-flat-son-loved-dearly.html

[quote BrumBoo]@PlanDeRaccordement, well then you evidently got lucky that the right people intervened before something horrific happened. Again, there wasn't even the remotest opportunity for that for either Olga or Dylan. Nobody cared until it was too late, even though everything in their situation was pointing to a family in absolute desperate need for help.[/quote]
Yes. Agree.
That’s why I do have some sympathy for Olga.

@FamilyOfAliens and it’s me derailing the thread with pettiness is it?

I have already said that I forgot to post the quoted link of the post containing the link to that article, as that is who I was discussing.

If you want to disagree with me that is fine, but to naggingly quibble over a dyslexics posting error seems a bit tone deaf in light of the gravity of the discussion.

Out of interest, does anyone know what charges/sentence she is likely to receive? I would hate to think that they would just throw her in prison with no help for her mental issues.

A terrible act but I have nothing but sympathy for mother and son.
The father is a different story, how dare he come to the papers and say he had all the time and love for his son? He sold the family home and left them living in a small flat, and literally washed his hands off and moved to Spain. Then he still has the nerve to come out and blame the mum.

[quote Draineddraineddrained]@PlanDeRaccordement

Would you care to provide those sources' definitions of psychosis, since you know them well enough to assert what they say?

I find it difficult to believe a mental health charity would just invent the definitions without referring to key sources.[/quote]
It’s much much longer. Too much to cut and paste. All you have to do is google DSM and ICD 10 and read through the various disorders and diagnostic criteria.

Why did she not tell social services she couldn't cope instead of resorting to murder. I do feel sorry for her because I wouldn't cope either in that situation.

They won't she will go to a high security hospital or medium secure unit to be assessed and depending on the assessment will either stay in hospital or go to prison although I think it's likely she will stay in hospital for a while at least .

@Mrgrinch

Out of interest, does anyone know what charges/sentence she is likely to receive? I would hate to think that they would just throw her in prison with no help for her mental issues.

I think she's already being detained in hospital rather than prison, though obviously the latter would be considered.

Why did she not tell social services she couldn't cope instead of resorting to murder.

She did tell them. Lots of people knew she wasn't coping, including the local authority and apparently the boy's father. No one did anything.

Having had a mental illness does not make you an expert on every form of mental illness, as demonstrated by your posts.

Well since I never claimed to be an expert and in fact all I said in response to a poster that said I “had no experience of mental illness” was that I do have a mental illness and so know a bit about it, knowing “a bit” is less than “expert” but more than “nothing”

@Viviennemary

Why did she not tell social services she couldn't cope instead of resorting to murder. I do feel sorry for her because I wouldn't cope either in that situation.

She did. They ignored her.

Well since I never claimed to be an expert and in fact all I said in response to a poster that said I “had no experience of mental illness” was that I do have a mental illness and so know a bit about it, knowing “a bit” is less than “expert” but more than “nothing”

Virtually everyone on here will have experience of physical illness and will "know a bit" about physical illness. I doubt any would dream of claiming that that meant they could pronounce on whether someone else they had never met had a different type of illness.

I do think its awful how she was let down, amd this is just another victim of lockdown. However, she murdered her own child and this thread is titled "poor woman' as though the child was not even a person. Do you not think its awful that the disabled are so dehumanised

Why did she not tell social services she couldn't cope instead of resorting to murder. I do feel sorry for her because I wouldn't cope either in that situation.

I have a friend who has absolutely done this and it’s resulted in zero support. Honestly it’s unbelievable- even her contact at the school that used to take her child said it’s like they’re waiting until there’s been a tragedy.

@Arobase
Could say the same about you. And actually abuse is only a relevant fact in a case where the defender is charged with abuse. When charged with manslaughter or murder, it is the facts regarding the killing only that are relevant in a background of a case for murder/manslaughter prior to a guilty plea.

Im not assuming anything. You just seem to be wedded to your assumption that you’re going to extensive lengths to defend it. I still contend that there may or may not have been abuse.

I have sympathy for her.

When the story first broke, there was an interview with a man who'd worked for Olga, pre-covid, helping to care for Dylan during the day, to give her some respite. He packed the job in because he couldn't cope.

@Arobase

Well since I never claimed to be an expert and in fact all I said in response to a poster that said I “had no experience of mental illness” was that I do have a mental illness and so know a bit about it, knowing “a bit” is less than “expert” but more than “nothing”

Virtually everyone on here will have experience of physical illness and will "know a bit" about physical illness. I doubt any would dream of claiming that that meant they could pronounce on whether someone else they had never met had a different type of illness.

I never pronounced a diagnosis. I was merely restating what the actual psychiatric diagnosis was in the reports I read which was depression with psychotic symptoms and not Psychosis. And the fact the two are different according to the DSM and ICD 10.

Tired of your constant baseless accusations. Give it a rest.

Do you not think its awful that the disabled are so dehumanised

Whats awful for any disabled person is to be left with zero social care, to be forgotten by society like they're a pain to deal with along with the only parent giving them full care. That's dehumanising to the extreme. Imagine everyone around you pretending you don't exist because it's too difficult of a problem to deal with.

@PlanDeRaccordement

It’s much much longer. Too much to cut and paste. All you have to do is google DSM and ICD 10 and read through the various disorders and diagnostic criteria.

OK then, how about you just summarise why experiencing psychotic symptoms is not the same as having psychosis according to the DSM? Or at lwast what you believe to be the distinction?

Sounds like she was failed by a lot of people. I can't judge the poor woman as I'm not her so have never been in exactly her situation. Reminds me of a case from 2014 where the mum was caring for 3 disabled children on her own and ended up killing them. www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/new-malden-mother-bore-the-brunt-of-struggle-to-care-for-her-three-young-disabled-children-9283048.html%3famp

Im not assuming anything. You just seem to be wedded to your assumption that you’re going to extensive lengths to defend it. I still contend that there may or may not have been abuse.

You are literally describing your own posts and can't even see it.

I cannot have sympathy. A pandemic has happened. You can't rely on schools and outside sources to give you respite of your children. My sister has autism and believe me it's caused hell on my family for over 15 years now but that's life, she can't be blamed for being born that way, and neither can he.

I'm sad for the boy.

Loads of use in Spain, acting as a celebrity photographer probably shagging 20-something Instagram influencers whilst his severely disabled son and ex-wife struggled with no support in lockdown in another country. Another useless prick.

@GarlicMonkey

His father should be charged with neglect & failure to protect. Instead he'll get sympathy in this messed up country. Non resident parents need holding to account & forced, if necessary, to shoulder their share of responsibility.

What a ridiculous comment!