Poor, poor woman

[Mookie81]

Complete lack of support and nowhere to turn.
A terrible deed but I feel so sorry for her.
And where the fuck was her ex? Living in Spain while she was driven to despair.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9186243/Olga-Freemans-friends-reveal-agony-trapped-flat-son-loved-dearly.html

@PlanDeRaccordement, have you given up driving since?

[quote FamilyOfAliens]**@PlanDeRaccordement

Maybe you are mixing up my link with someone else’s?

I’m replying to your post upthread where you posted this:

Btw, she was convicted of murder by the courts yesterday. It says she didn’t cooperate with police as she answered “no comment” to most questions.[/quote]
No reply to this, then, @PlanDeRaccordement?

Even just to say you got it wrong when you posted that the mother had been convicted of murder?

Ok. Being as how I have schizophrenia...you can check have admitted to this for months and months on this site. And I have been in secure mental hospitals. I do know a bit about mental illness. And I’ve been in hospital with people with Psychosis. Part of schizophrenia is Psychosis. And I’m telling you the people who have only psychotic symptoms are not having Psychosis. There is a difference

And yet you claim that this woman cannot have been acting due to psychosis despite the evidence of the medical reports, purely because there was an element of planning.

Having had a mental illness does not make you an expert on every form of mental illness, as demonstrated by your posts.

Melatonin tablets only aid sleep unfortunately they don't keep a child asleep , a fact I'm all to aware of ,so the child wouldn't have been sedated if it was melatonin he had been given

@MacDuffsMuff

I haven’t seen any autopsy reports? Have you? So until we do, no idea if there was a pattern of abuse or not. It can’t be ruled out.

Nor should it be assumed @PlanDeRaccordement.

I didn’t assume abuse. I presented it as a possibility only.

@x2boys

Lack of sympathy for the child is make Ng my blood boil ,yes it's extremely hard to have a severly autistic child with no support during lock down I'm living it ,but a child is dead here he didn't deserve to die

Who exactly is demonstrating any lack of sympathy for the child? This entire tragedy came about because he was not getting the support he should have had.

@cheeseismydownfall

After Dylan's birth – and his eventual diagnosis with Cohen syndrome – it soon became clear that Olga would need to put her career on the back-burner.

WHY? Why the fuck did it "become clear"? This woman was a successful lawyer. Where was the fucking father? Off around the world photographic celebrities. Prick.
She was a professional woman and married to the child's father until fairly recently. You have no idea whether they reached the decision together that she would be a SAHP. She may have unilaterally decided it for all we know.

@Arobase
And yet you claim that this woman cannot have been acting due to psychosis despite the evidence of the medical reports, purely because there was an element of planning.

No. You are twisting what I said. The reports I have seen stated she had been diagnosed with depression with psychotic symptoms. I have been saying, correctly, that this is not the same as Psychosis or psychotic depression. It’s completely different. She did not kill Dylan while suffering psychosis.

I have not once said it couldn’t be Psychosis because of planning.

I didn’t assume abuse. I presented it as a possibility only.

@PlanDeRaccordement One could present lots of things as a possibility only, so why choose abuse? It does nothing but add fuel.

[quote BrumBoo]@PlanDeRaccordement, have you given up driving since?[/quote]
Yes. Haven’t driven since 2011.

If any hint of abuse would have surfaced at the trial the DM would have absolutely ran with it and the tone would have been entirely different.

All these posters dissing the Mum did you not read and understand that she has a psychotic episode??

That isn't a breakdown, that's believe in complete fantasy such as being able to fly, or that you are God, or in the case of my friend that she worked for MI6 and had a mission to complete!!!

@PlanDeRaccordement

From Mind: www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/psychosis/about-psychosis/#:~:text=It%20is%20a%20symptom%20of,then%20you%20may%20experience%20psychosis

*Is psychosis a diagnosis or a symptom?
The word psychosis is usually used to refer to an experience. It is a symptom of certain mental health problems rather than a diagnosis itself.

Doctors and psychiatrists may describe someone as experiencing psychosis rather than giving them a specific diagnosis. Some people prefer this.

If you are diagnosed with one or more of these conditions then you may experience psychosis. Alternatively, if you experience psychosis (and you have other symptoms too), then you may be given one of these diagnoses:

severe depression
schizophrenia
bipolar disorder
schizoaffective disorder
paranoid personality disorder or schizotypal personality disorder
postpartum psychosis
delusional disorder.
Some people experience psychosis on its own. If you experience psychosis for less than a month and your doctor doesn't think that another diagnosis describes your symptoms better, you may receive the diagnosis of 'brief psychotic disorder'.&=*

@unmarkedbythat

The mother was ill, why anybody is criticising her for one moment is beyond me.

I honestly think it comes from fear. The fear that in the same situation, faced with the same unbearable stressors and the same lack of help or hope, they too would break and do the unimaginable. If we paint the people who do these things as evil, the problem is sited in them and we do not have to fear that we too might do something terrible in terrible circumstances. And neither do we have to do the hard work of insisting society recognises what it does to its most vulnerable and how for all the nice words and shiny posters, people with additional needs and their carers are appallingly ill served.

It's exactly the same response as when a child is abducted (obviously very rare) or knocked down by a car (sadly not so rare). Instead of feeling sympathy, people immediately criticise the parents, or more often the mother, and they say it would never happen to them because they care about their child and they'd never allow it to happen. Which is utter crap. Absolutely anyone can have a child slip out of their hand, all it takes is a sudden pain in your wrist or something. And whilst unbelievably rare, there certainly have been cases in the past of children being abducted having only been out of sight for a second or two.

This case is utterly tragic and the mother has my sympathy. She didn't have the option of walking away to save her sanity, and even if she had, she would have been hated for it just as much as she is hated for what happened.

Have nothing but absolute sympathy for that woman.

I think that this is a case of a single parent family being repeatedly let down by the system, with absolutely horrific consequences.

As others have said, I have had a couple of dark moments of sleep deprivation with a high needs baby where I thought I can absolutely understand how things like this happen. And I have a supportive husband, friends, colleagues, etc, and wasn’t in the situation for years and years.

@PlanDeRaccordement

If I killed my DCs, I’d expect to go to either a high security hospital for the criminally insane or to prison. Because you can be a mentally ill parent with an autistic child and manage to not kill them.

Yes, as I said in my first post, I have sympathy for Olga. But most of my sympathy is with her son Dylan who in no way deserved to be murdered. He was the only person wholly innocent in all of this and so that is where most of my sympathy lies.

She is already in a unit for women with mental illness.

Your inability to empathise with a woman going through acute sleep deprivation and driven to severe depression and psychosis who will have to live with the awful consequences of that for the rest of her life is something you should worry about. Sympathy isn't a finite thing that you have to ration out carefully; most people can sympathise immensely with the child whilst also sympathising immensely with his poor, desperate mother.

Out of interest, does anyone know what sort of charges/sentence this will bring her? I would like to think she would go to a facility that would help with her conditions, not just be thrown in prison.

I would feel equal sympathy for a parent who was suffering from psychosis and thought they were the messiah who needed to kill their child if the child was NT.
In this case though the fact that this little boy was so severely disabled clearly contributed massively to his death, because severe sleep deprivation is known to be a cause of psychosis. His mum has got to live with this for the rest of her life now.
RIP Dylan

Yes I can feel sorry for more than one person but not for this woman. There's no excuse for killing a child no matter how desperate the situation. Doesn't matter where the father was, it doesn't mitigate killing her child. I know my opinion is unpopular but it's the truth. What she did is unjustifiable in any circumstances. It took away the child's right to life.

She has my deepest sympathy. That poor woman. Her ex should feel ashamed, though he probably won't.

@PlanDeRaccordement, so you have capacity to understand that you could be a danger on the road. You have and had the capacity to realise that before an awful fact happened. That unfortunately wasn't the case for Olga and Dylan.

@arobase
Your accusations are groundless.
From the very first post I made I said I sympathise with the mother, Olga. It was the first sentence I wrote on this thread. I simply have more sympathy for Dylan because he is completely innocent.

I would feel equal sympathy for a parent who was suffering from psychosis and thought they were the messiah who needed to kill their child if the child was NT.

This. Masses of people feel sympathy for Andrea Yates, and so they should.