Poor, poor woman

[Mookie81]

Complete lack of support and nowhere to turn.
A terrible deed but I feel so sorry for her.
And where the fuck was her ex? Living in Spain while she was driven to despair.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9186243/Olga-Freemans-friends-reveal-agony-trapped-flat-son-loved-dearly.html

If her child had been neurotypical the sympathy would have been with the child but because he was autistic the mother gets sympathy for murdering him. F*ck that. Too many autistic children are killed by parents who end up with the sympathy.

@PlanDeRaccordement

Maybe you are mixing up my link with someone else’s?

I’m replying to your post upthread where you posted this:

Btw, she was convicted of murder by the courts yesterday. It says she didn’t cooperate with police as she answered “no comment” to most questions.

@Weegiesqueegee

If her child had been neurotypical the sympathy would have been with the child but because he was autistic the mother gets sympathy for murdering him. F*ck that. Too many autistic children are killed by parents who end up with the sympathy.

Absolutely.

@PlanDeRaccordement

Btw, the article says Olga had depression with psychotic symptoms. This is not even close to a diagnosis of Psychosis.

It says that three separate reports concluded that she was suffering from a severe depression and psychosis at the time of the killing" Those reports were accepted by the prosecution and the judge. That is what is relevant.

Because you can be a mentally ill parent with an autistic child and manage to not kill them

You can be mentally ill and not kill anyone anyway. This was about a series of events that lead to more than just an episode of 'mental illness', and that's the part many are missing. Do you blame people with severe dementia for any highly inappropriate action? What about harming someone when suffering other severe mental health episodes such as schizophrenia? At what point do people realise that the cognition isn't there to make rational and moral human decisions?

@Weegiesqueegee

If her child had been neurotypical the sympathy would have been with the child but because he was autistic the mother gets sympathy for murdering him. F*ck that. Too many autistic children are killed by parents who end up with the sympathy.

very well said. disabled children matter too.

@Arobase

? How can I know “better than the court” when she hasn’t even been tried yet? And I do not contest the doctors report my but doctors don’t decide guilty or not guilty, the courts do.

She has been tried, @PlanDeRaccordement. The court accepted her plea of guilty to manslaughter, we are simply waiting for the sentence.

Yes I know that now. But the “better than the court” statement makes even less sense because the poster was trying to argue she was not guilty when she’s been convicted as guilty.

@x2boys

she stuffed a sponge down his throat ,can you imagine how terrified that child would have been ?.
Tbf, she had give him many melatonin tablets first so he may have been asleep and not roused at all.

@AllMyPrettyOnes how do you think you ‘stab’ someone?

She stabbed her son.

It’s not a quick or painless death, but a terrifying, painful and bloody one.

BrumBoo, no they don't. and i just cant even imagine how me and abusive ex would have coped had that been the case

I dare not even imagine to be honest, its too horrible to contemplate

@User594022452

When the news first broke this was exactly the tragic background story I thought it would be.

In light of Katie's doc as well, fuck rich men who completely abandon their disabled sons. Obviously that didn't fit into his jet setting lifestyle

Yes. God forgive me, but I am delighted the “father’s” crocodile tears have been exposed for what they so obviously were, in light of his ex wife’s plea.

Men so often get to walk away scot free, and when the DC have SEN the sacrifices society and spectacular of women are too much.

I haven’t seen any autopsy reports? Have you? So until we do, no idea if there was a pattern of abuse or not. It can’t be ruled out.

Nor should it be assumed @PlanDeRaccordement.

MegtheShark

she didnt stab him...

Dear God, how much had this woman and child suffered to carry this out?

All of you who cry for lockdown should be ashamed of yourselves.
All of you who refuse to take personal responsibility for your health and want the rest of us to suffer in lockdown should be ashamed of yourselves.

I’m sure there’s more stories like this but being hushed up.

All those suicides because of lockdown...
All the abuse because of lockdown...
All because you refuse to have a healthy lifestyle and overwhelm the NHS.

Disgusting

Ah I see, sorry. I was talking about the second news story.

With the airline pilot husband and Magdelina. I was particularly galled as it mentions her fright but nothing of her child’s.

‘Frightened Magdalena, 34, knifed 23-month-old son James to death in August 2017 before trying to cut her own throat and then hang herself.’

As I have said, I have some knowledge of the family. The suggestion that Olga Freeman might have been abusing her child is categorically not true. She was a very loving mother who fought for years to get her child the support he needed. Do you imagine for one moment that, if there were evidence of abuse, it would not have been mentioned by the prosecution? Or that a manslaughter plea would have been accepted?

Whilst I don't claim to have anything like comprehensive knowledge, from what I do know Brumboo's assessment is more or less correct.

@Labobo

@Ladywinesalot your post is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

@BrumBoo
What about harming someone when suffering other severe mental health episodes such as schizophrenia?

Well so far, I haven’t harmed anyone other than myself due to my schizophrenia. But I have come close. I had an episode while driving and my children were in the car with me. If that had ended badly, with their injury or deaths. Then hell yes I should be blamed and held accountable, because I still caused harm to come to them. Me and no one else. And yes id expect to be found guilty and locked away for a long time. You can be insane and a criminal. I wouldn’t be asking for more or equal public sympathy than the level of sympathy for my children, because they’re the innocents.

Too many autistic children are killed by parents who end up with the sympathy.

I agree to an extent, but why are so many autistic parents killed by their parents? If the figures are higher than the average for children killed by parents as a whole, why do these deaths happen? Are the parents loving parents who snap under the pressure? Are they abusive and the children aren't properly protected by social services? In order to stop these deaths happening, we need to understand why they happen rather than demonising the parents.

Surely, a key part of valuing disabled and neurodiverse children is valuing their carers, recognising the challenges their carers face and properly supporting them so they can cope and have a joyful life with their children. Yes, some parents cope better than others, but people don't become saints or heroes purely because their children are born with disabilities which mean they require round-the-clock care and attention.

@MegtheShark

Ah I see, sorry. I was talking about the second news story.

With the airline pilot husband and Magdelina. I was particularly galled as it mentions her fright but nothing of her child’s.

‘Frightened Magdalena, 34, knifed 23-month-old son James to death in August 2017 before trying to cut her own throat and then hang herself.’

Perhaps brush up on your reading skills next time before you launch in?

And is it really necessary for you to derail this thread by posting a distressing headline from another case?

I think there's a tendency to demonise the mother because then we don't need to ask questions about who else is to blame. A mother with a seriously disabled son should have had a lot more support through lockdown than this. And yes, the father should have been around, lockdown rules allow for a child to move between co-parents.

If the mother is demonised and described as simply 'evil' then everyone else can wash their hands of responsibility. And then we get these tragedies happening over and over again,

Do you imagine for one moment that, if there were evidence of abuse, it would not have been mentioned by the prosecution?

Well there was no trial was there? So no prosecution at all. If you plead guilty, then that’s it. No trial. They just send you away while the judge thinks on a sentence.

from my perspective there is so much pressure to look at SN with so much optimism and people really do seem to brush over the hardships. That can’t be helpful when parents are already struggling to cope