Lisa Montgomery executed

[PegasusReturns]

Lisa Montgomery was executed yesterday - I don’t know how this amounts to justice in 2021. What an appalling tragedy her life and death was.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55642177

I'd consider myself highly educated and am in support of the death penalty

You may be an outlier to the general trend...but I'm pretty sure if this was studied and analysed, those in favour of the death penalty will overwhelming be less educated than those against it.

Much as I detest Trump, he's not the problem here.

The problem is a "justice" system which executes people. And which - as this shows - is always open to political abuse. As it would be if it were to be restored in the UK.

So don't blame Trump. Blame capital punishment. Trump will be gone in 8 days time. But the system which allowed this will have gone nowhere.

Oh well, never mind my Oxbridge degree, MSc and law career - I must accept I'm not the brightest because I hold a differing opinion .

I should say "empathy with the perpetrator's CRIME" - clearly she has a very disturbed background and should have been removed from her home environment and supported which may have prevented the awful crime happening. I'm aware people have empathy with the perpetrator herself, so was worded clumsily and shouldn't have phrased it as "no-one" etc

And it's perfectly possible to feel empathy for both the perpetrator and the victim.

Anyone who can't feel empathy for someone who was gang raped as a child needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Life is not as clear cut as people want it to be. Lisa was clearly a victim and she also committed a terrible crime. It's too simplistic to label people as good or evil.

You are not as clever as me. Typical argument from the usual wokies

Oh no!

Her life was dreadful. Her crime was dreadful. The death penalty us dreadful and Trump is dreadful.

I can see all sides of this, but remain opposed to the death penalty. It is state sponsored murder, not justice.

Keeping her for life in a secure psychiatric unit would have been better.

I have always been against the death penalty. But for Lisa Montgomery, I suspect it was a lesser punishment to end her miserable, hopeless life.

I agree that it is shocking. The death penalty is inhumane.

Over 100 other people have been executed in the US in the last five years. Most if not all of them will have similar backgrounds of neglect and abuse. A grossly disproportionate number are black and hispanic.

Show me the uproar on here for each of these. Show me the 9-page thread for each and one of these wasted lives.

It seems that some lives matter much, much more than others.

@DappledOliveGroves

Oh well, never mind my Oxbridge degree, MSc and law career - I must accept I'm not the brightest because I hold a differing opinion .

Well you seem to be struggling with what I said. I'm not denying your glittering educational history. I'm simply saying that support of the death penalty is generally linked to certain socio demographics and you don't necessarily fit with that. Like I said, there's always outliers to general trends.

Going against most of the pp on here I believe the woman's family deserved justice and that is her execution.
I read her abusive background and it's horrific but her 'planned' murder of this poor pregnant woman is even more horrific. Yes it was planned, she had targeted her, given her a false identity. All premeditated. I don't believe she was having a psychotic episode at all she very much knew what she was doing. Obviously she is not well in the head to carry out such a crime but what murderer is? I don't see thousands of ppl standing up for men that have murdered due to their horrific upbringing. James Bulgers killers had awful abusive childhoods too which experts believe led to their crime but I don't remember seeing any sympathy for them.
A pregnant woman was murdered horrifically and I can't imagine her final moments not to mention the devastation it will have caused to her family and her poor daughter never having a mother.
That is where my sympathy lies and that family deserves justice.

I am not in favour of the dearth penalty but if I was a member of the victims family I think I would see this as justice. Her background whilst utterly awful does not excuse the crime

I'd consider myself highly educated and am in support of the death penalty

You shouldnt be snooty/snobby about linking peoples opinions and their education

Depends how you define highly educated. You can be educated but lacking in emotional intelligence.

Generally death penalty support correlates with conservative political views. (Which is why it also correlates with Brexit support in this country).

Whilst I feel so so sorry for what the victim and the family went through, I am beyond shocked at some views on here.

Well its done and dusted now. She has been hanging around on death row for way too long

You are talking about this woman who was tortured most of her life (I have a link if you want it but warning it is extremely graphic) like she is a piece of rubbish to be put in a bin.

Shame on Trump and those who allowed this execution to happen.

@Viviennemary

You are not as clever as me. Typical argument from the usual wokies

I'm far from woke...any other descriptions you'd like to throw my way... liberal elite? Virtue signaller, do gooder?

@DappledOliveGroves

Oh well, never mind my Oxbridge degree, MSc and law career - I must accept I'm not the brightest because I hold a differing opinion .

It's not a 'different' opinion at issue, it's the support of a barbaric practice.

I’m 100% against the death penalty.

This happened because a weak little man was losing his power and this is his last kick. He’s wielding whatever he can while he still can.

I guarantee you if it was proposed that convicted murderers could have a choice between serving the rest of their life in prison or having their lives ended by lethal injection the people who currently cheer for the death penalty would insist they stay alive to serve their sentence. It’s all about power and nothing to do with justice.

@Worldwide2 completely agree! The murder of Bobbie-Jo was premeditated, planned, equipment purchased, researched and targeted. RIP Bobbie-Jo

I don't care how clever or highly educated people are, or how many degrees they have. If they believe in the execution of delusional torture victims in the context of a dysfunctional justice system, I'm afraid I tend to view them as severely lacking in compassion.

Show me the uproar on here for each of these. Show me the 9-page thread for each and one of these wasted lives.It seems that some lives matter much, much more than others.

Did you start a thread for each of those people? If not, why not? Doesn't each of those wasted lives matter?

Be the change you want to see and all that.

@DappledOliveGroves

I'm not going to lose sleep over the fact she has been given the death penalty . I read about the case, I read about the abuse she suffered, but I cannot get the image of a heavily pregnant mother being strangled and cut open, with her mother then finding her daughter's body with her grandchild missing, out of my mind.

Whether psychotic, abused, a victim - she knew what she did was wrong. What would be the point in keeping her alive for decades more in a maximum security facility? Assuming the victim's family supported the sentence, then who am I to say they should have accepted a life sentence rather than execution? God forbid anything like that happened to my child but if it did, I can't imagine I'd be magnanimous and would most probably welcome the death penalty for the perpetrator.

My feelings exactly .

^Did you start a thread for each of those people? If not, why not? Doesn't each of those wasted lives matter?

Be the change you want to see and all that.^

No, I actively campaign in real life around those matters. What do you fucking do?

Wittering about these things on MN achieves nothing, except betray your own bias and ignorance

James Bulgers killers had awful abusive childhoods too which experts believe led to their crime but I don't remember seeing any sympathy for them.

I also don’t remember them being murdered.

The absolute victims in any murder are the victim’s family. But where do we draw the line? Would you let them press the button, inject the needle? Would you let them loose with a gun or a knife? Would you even bother with the trial?

Murder is murder. Supporting the death penalty is saying that some murder is justified.

@ivfbeenbusy

I think the execution was a disgusting act that shames America.

America has a lot more to be ashamed of than putting to death people who have committed unspeakable and heinous acts 🤷‍♀️ like it's abysmal gun control laws

Guessing you wouldn't have executed Hitler either 🤔

Comparing Lisa Montgomery's crimes to Hitler's? You are ridiculous.