ADs may have buggered boilers but we haven't got the clap

[BogRollBOGOF]

The saga continues to continue with more sequels than a trilogy of trilogies...

What is a 'hospitalisation'? I was wondering if we took out the impact of anxiety then these would go down anyway. So if DH had 'normal' flu and got a bit breathless I might be a bit worried and see how it goes, but with covid we are shown stories that he WILL die in his sleep so I ring for an ambulance instead and he becomes part of the stats.

The government and the police really are now taking an approach of "fuck it, we don't care what the plebs think of us now". Sooner or later, the "plebs" are going to retaliate with the same approach of "fuck this tyranny, enough is enough". The backlash and rebellion is growing, and I say GOOD. Bring it on. Saint Boris needs to see that he is only Spiderman, not God.

@mightbealittlebitmad The whole thing would be easier to stomach if there was a definite end to it. (The statements from Saint Boris's arsehole of "maybe mid February" or "maybe Easter" mean nothing.) I can see why they're not specifying an end, because Saint Boris has been pilloried for this before: I will never believe Saint Boris's timescales again since "we can turn this virus around in twelve weeks". The November lockdown was slightly more palatable because it had a definite end, which was actually honoured (even if it was tier 3 for many people after that).

I'll also add that I've had ZERO respect for politicians in general since the expenses scandal (they think we've forgotten that), the political system allowed the prime minister to call an illegal war (in my opinion, for shits and giggles), and then to TOTALLY GET AWAY WITH IT. It may be only tangentially related, but if prime ministers keep playing God, people will not respect them. They keep going on about "the spirit of lockdown": do politicians follow the spirit of goodwill? The expense-claiming cheats were exploiting every loophole they could. This is one reason why the lockdown-weary public are shamelessly doing the same thing.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/covid-19-outbreaks-care-homes-double-in-fortnight-823088

More than half of traceable cases came from care homes and the number of outbreaks in care homes has doubled in a fortnight. But no, the numbers are huge because I send my child to school and left my house yesterday to buy cake.

Fucking idiots.

This has made me smile though
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/09/most-think-boris-johnson-should-resign-poll

Re the DM link, I haven't watched the whole vid, but, being handcuffed for sitting on a bench? It really is unbelievable. They wouldn't have done that if it was a big burly bloke. I am a retired police officer, and I find the way the police are behaving is just embarrasing and disproportionate. However, it's an easy way of keeping your arrest rate up isn't it? Much easier than catching a proper criminal.
I'm jolly glad I live somewhere where sight of a policeman is extremely unusual, they only venture this far out if they have to. (Might get their cars dirty on the cowshit covered roads.)

So let's say they clamp down, ban outdoor exercise, close nurseries, ban all non essential shopping, close parks, coffee shops and introduce a curfew...

What happens when cases don't drop hugely because these things aren't the main driver and it's places like care homes and hospitals? Will they just keep these restrictions in place because they need to be seen doing something but aren't willing to tackle the actual problem?

One of the videos off the arrests showed police saying to a women it was because she's been filmed out of the house multiple times, not just once. So they're still getting it badly wrong..

Yes I've noticed the presentation of Susan Michie as having advised Sage, which of course will now lead to her comments being taken as they are official SAGE policy. Bizarrely she appears to be on fake Independent SAGE as well, surely it's a bit of a conflict of interest to be on both.

I'm really curious to see attendance figures as wonder how much primaries have 50% plus in them. All the ones I'm aware of are at much lower than that. They are higher than March but don't think that's unexpected. I also wonder how much teacher's kids contribute to this as a lot of teachers I know didn't send I March when they weren't live teaching (still setting work, marking which is flexible) but are sending now as can't easily live teach and home educate. Before I get accused of teacher basing, I do think teachers should send their children in in these cases (unlike some Welsh councils) but suspect the increased online provision has inadvertently lead to higher attendance at schools.

Our primary, whilst having more children in, has less than a third.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/local-news/new-report-reveals-key-issue-4826288.amp

This is our local hospital. Somewhere between 18 and 31 deaths from hospital aquired infections. At the time the media were blaming to rise in local infections on daytrippers from the Midlands!
Interestingly our local death rate is currently below the 5 year average, despite having a large number of nursing homes.

@LivinLaVidaLoki what the Guardian neglected to mention is that Boris might be unpopular because the public can see he’s totally out of his depth, and the public don’t trust the government because Boris is still PM. Does the Guardian think Boris is God?

@Littlebelina
Bizarrely she appears to be onfakeIndependent SAGE as well

How on earth can she be allowed to sit on both?

DS’s class has 50% in. Apparently the school would like to have him in as a vulnerable child but there isn’t space. DD’s class has about 40%.

I totally understand why people are sending their children in if they can. I don’t begrudge any child a school place. I think the government really didn’t want to close schools and only did so because of external pressure. Widening the definitions of keyworker and vulnerable is their attempt to keep as many children as possible in school, and is a nice “fuck you” to the “uppity” teaching unions, whose members are now no safer and whose jobs are twice as hard. That’s my tin foil hat theory anyway. And my worry is that, if so many pupils are in anyway, there will be less demand for full reopening and the kids who are at home will be stuck there even longer.

No further news on FIL.

@wanderings

The government and the police really are now taking an approach of "fuck it, we don't care what the plebs think of us now". Sooner or later, the "plebs" are going to retaliate with the same approach of "fuck this tyranny, enough is enough". The backlash and rebellion is growing, and I say GOOD. Bring it on. Saint Boris needs to see that he is only Spiderman, not God.

@mightbealittlebitmad The whole thing would be easier to stomach if there was a definite end to it. (The statements from Saint Boris's arsehole of "maybe mid February" or "maybe Easter" mean nothing.) I can see why they're not specifying an end, because Saint Boris has been pilloried for this before: I will never believe Saint Boris's timescales again since "we can turn this virus around in twelve weeks". The November lockdown was slightly more palatable because it had a definite end, which was actually honoured (even if it was tier 3 for many people after that).

I'll also add that I've had ZERO respect for politicians in general since the expenses scandal (they think we've forgotten that), the political system allowed the prime minister to call an illegal war (in my opinion, for shits and giggles), and then to TOTALLY GET AWAY WITH IT. It may be only tangentially related, but if prime ministers keep playing God, people will not respect them. They keep going on about "the spirit of lockdown": do politicians follow the spirit of goodwill? The expense-claiming cheats were exploiting every loophole they could. This is one reason why the lockdown-weary public are shamelessly doing the same thing.

Hey! That's totally unfair on Spiderman. He is much more competent than Johnson. And he would never make anyone wear a mask

Has anyone else now got the Spider-Man theme tune rattling around in their head?

The new restrictions thread is going bonkers. Wonder how long it will be before someone suggests we are all welded into individual capsules with children being supervised by zoom and babies only brought to their mum every 4 hours for feeding.

With regards to the Chris Whitty article, my personal feeling is it smacks of desperation and I’m less inclined to care. The stick approach no longer works and I’d like some carrots please.

Quite a few police cars around this morning. It reminds me of a book I read many years ago about a police force being controlled by a computer system via their car radios. It’s now going to really annoy me as I can’t remember what it was called.

Don't be silly, they won't allow four hourly feeding of babies. It's a huge covid risk

Actually the guidance for bf is laughable. I've been breastfeeding throughout the pandemic and the guidance suggests you should wear PPE and a mask to prevent spread of covid to the baby if you have it. This was guidance that clearly was developed by a man who has never held a baby and only seen pictures in the white company catalogue of women in white sheets looking dreamily into the distance while the baby calmly rests on them.

Sorry! Spiderman is my favourite superhero because he is a great big nerd who can sew.

I am avoiding all threads but this one and some on FWR. I have a question for @BogRollBOGOF and @CoffeeWithCheese though as I think our children are similar in temperament (I wish they could meet), have you ever tried star charts or chip economies, I think they're called? If so, did they work at all? Because I am getting sick to the back teeth of having to fight to get them to do basic things like going to sleep for one. Bedtimes are a horror.

I think alot of people are infected in hospitals. So harsh lockdown will do nothing. By word of mouth from a nurse one patient affected 20 people on a trauma ward, so all the broken hips and wrists from slips trips and falls.
The government need to admit to this, and take it seriously .

@Lifeinaonesie

Don't be silly, they won't allow four hourly feeding of babies. It's a huge covid risk

Actually the guidance for bf is laughable. I've been breastfeeding throughout the pandemic and the guidance suggests you should wear PPE and a mask to prevent spread of covid to the baby if you have it. This was guidance that clearly was developed by a man who has never held a baby and only seen pictures in the white company catalogue of women in white sheets looking dreamily into the distance while the baby calmly rests on them.

I think I read somewhere that neither SAGE nor NERVTAG have a single mother on them.

It's quite obvious that this is true.

Government guidelines now been updated from children of critical workers can attend school to keep them at home if you possibly can (paraphrasing there) like back in March. For his mental health DS1 desperately needs the one sodding day a week key worker place he's been offered, for his mental health. My mental health needs DS2 and DD to have that day in too. Dreading being told that I have to keep them all home, I'm heading for a full scale depressive episode and when that happens we'll have key worker DH unable to work as he'll be doing the home schooling.

I've been breastfeeding throughout the pandemic and the guidance suggests you should wear PPE and a mask to prevent spread of covid to the baby if you have it.

No way! That is hilarious.

If they ban exercise I'll start walking home from work, maybe not the full 10 miles!

@ISaySteadyOn we tried star charts with ds1 when he was about 5/6 - I’ve just about got over the trauma now and he’s 23 😬

He saw them as a challenge - for the first couple of days he’d be incentivised and then he’d start almost doing things or doing them badly and then exploding when he didn’t get the star - and his explosions were pretty scary ... he has a mix of ASD/ADD/Tourette’s/OCD and anxiety so it was hard to untangle what was causing which behaviour. I know they work brilliantly for some children but not for mine ...

Star charts didn’t work for DD either. I don’t think she’s at all motivated by future rewards- if the reward is imminent (once you’ve done this you may have a biscuit) it works beautifully, but if it’s further away she doesn’t see the point. The star didn’t have any value to her, and then there were horrendous tantrums when she didn’t get the eventual reward.

Re breastfeeding with PPE- yeah, right, like a screaming baby is going to wait for its mother to get the PPE on!

Susan Michie has been calling for tougher lockdowns for ages. I hope it's not a case of loudest voices being heard the most.

I'd like to know how many SAGE advisors are actually doing the homeschooling right now. How many of them have little choice but to go to the supermarket because there are no delivery slots? How many of them have family they haven't been able to see for months? Do they have older parents who are losing independence & physical health because of lockdown? Do they feel any emotion about that? Have they ever tried wearing PPE in the snow? (I have, don't ask). Have they sat at home once during this last 10 months, worrying about losing their job or comfortable home? Have they had to use a foodbank?