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The saga continues to continue with more sequels than a trilogy of trilogies...

Sometimes I wonder what people expect.

If you lockdown people who live in dense urban areas, in small flats, houseshares, bedsits or over occupied terraces, many with no available outside space, why are you then surprised when the local parks are heaving with people?

Where do they expect people to go? For many of those people, there will be nowhere else to go but the local park if they need to be outside.

The regulations are pushing people in one direction and then government complains that people are going in that direction?!

It's preposterous to expect a family, say, with two small children who may live in a two bedroom flat in London to stay indoors 24/7.

Our flat is not particularly small and we're not "deprived" by anyone's standards, but DDs share a bedroom and we have no garden. And keeping 3 kids inside 24/7 is just horrible. So we don't do it! We all need fresh air and the chance to get some light and stretch legs, etc.

Sorry, but it is a basic health need too! I bet all these "stay the fuck at home" types have whopping great gardens and spare rooms, hm.

@mightbealittlebitmad Think I’ve mentioned that I left DH about 18 months ago after 26 years. The relationship wasn’t abusive as such but it was regimented if that makes sense. I sat down one day and realised I didn’t want to go to bed at 10 and get up at 6 every day, nor did I want dinner at 6.30 and Sunday lunch at 1 for ever more. Or need a reason why I wanted to go out. It’s been tough but as has already been said, stuff is stuff and kids adapt very well. I’m happy now, well as much as it’s possible to be at the moment. Don’t feel guilty for doing what you need to do to protect yourself.

I can't remember who was asking, but here's the deaths against the average for covid / non-covid in various settings.

Notable is the number of non-covid deaths at home - from the lockdown? - and also care homes isn't significantly different from normal despite around 25% of covid deaths being care home residents (certainly a couple of weeks ago anyway)

[quote TabbyStar]This is a good article from the BMJ about the narrative of people "flouting" the lockdown blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/07/pandemic-fatigue-how-adherence-to-covid-19-regulations-has-been-misrepresented-and-why-it-matters/[/quote]
Tabby this is a fascinating and very clear article, thank you for posting it. Many of the wailing-and-gnashing-of-teeth crowd Over There could do a lot worse than having a read of it.

[quote TabbyStar]This is a good article from the BMJ about the narrative of people "flouting" the lockdown blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/07/pandemic-fatigue-how-adherence-to-covid-19-regulations-has-been-misrepresented-and-why-it-matters/[/quote]
Have shared this to my family, many thanks. Especially my demented OH

The beaches thing makes me laugh. All those people brazenly squeezing into every square inch to set up their deckchairs for a full day of wanton sunbathing... in January...

The BMJ article was good. They seem to have had quite a run of sensible articles recently, much better than the agenda you'd expect if MSM was to be believed.

FIL died this morning. DH is stoic. DCs are distraught. I’m a bit numb with misery.

@Packingsoapandwater

Sometimes I wonder what people expect.

If you lockdown people who live in dense urban areas, in small flats, houseshares, bedsits or over occupied terraces, many with no available outside space, why are you then surprised when the local parks are heaving with people?

Where do they expect people to go? For many of those people, there will be nowhere else to go but the local park if they need to be outside.

The regulations are pushing people in one direction and then government complains that people are going in that direction?!

It's preposterous to expect a family, say, with two small children who may live in a two bedroom flat in London to stay indoors 24/7.

DH and I were having this exact discussion last night.

They’ve banned 95% of activities but half encouraged going for a daily walk (for good reasons)... so what’s the problem with everyone going for their walk in a park or along a nearby seafront? Where else are we expected to walk? If we just start walking up and down residential or commercial streets is that better? Or will everyone will freak out that people must be visiting friends or sneaking into offices?
I look at half the photos published my newspapers on overcrowded seafronts and non compliance and I see no rule breaking at all.

Thank you for sharing the bmj blog, really interesting.
I’m reading Tim Harfords How to make the world add up - it’s quite good and insightful about how statistics are represented. One thing it notes is how we have 24 hour news coverage now which has led to more attention grabbing/sensationalist headlines. Definitely a guide to stepping back and considering what is presented as so called ‘fact’

Really sorry Mrsfrumble

@Mrsfrumble

FIL died this morning. DH is stoic. DCs are distraught. I’m a bit numb with misery.

Oh I am so sorry, when my FIL died was distraught at the funeral, we all still miss him so much 30 years later. Special people stay in our hearts.

@Gratefulrunner

Thank you for sharing the bmj blog, really interesting. I’m reading Tim Harfords How to make the world add up - it’s quite good and insightful about how statistics are represented. One thing it notes is how we have 24 hour news coverage now which has led to more attention grabbing/sensationalist headlines. Definitely a guide to stepping back and considering what is presented as so called ‘fact’

Agreed, OH is reading far too much stuff, he checks the shit google throws at his phone every single time.

Arguing now over my savings account, my usual income from shares is decimated as in 0 usually get 5k per annum, so needed to pay for my car tried to set up an app for my nationwide account to move money, he went ballistic and said I was stealing money. He pays for everything I needed to pay car tax and MOT he said sell the car. Just want to cry.

That piece reminds me of something a blogger I read said. She said that when she was growing up in the USSR that the prevailing message was that the ideology was sound, it was only the people who were flawed.

I am sorry for being so gloomy. I would like to believe that the powers that be have integrity, but they will have to acknowledge the pain and hurt that their policies have caused, admit that they did not consider it when drafting the policies and apologise for it before I believe them. If any of them have done this, then I will try to trust again. If they haven't, well, then, I don't know what I will feel.

@Mrsfrumble, I am sorry to hear about your FIL

@Mrsfrumble sorry to hear about your fil also

So sorry to hear about your FIL @Mrsfrumble

for everyone struggling.

So sorry @Mrsfrumble

@2020BogOff

for everyone struggling.

Thank you I am broken by the fact my OH has said I am stealing money to pay for my car. Cannot stop crying.

A great big squishy hug for all of you for the big stuff, to the small stuff
Especially for those grieving and dealinh with shitty spouses where everything's been made even harder than it needs to be.

That piece reminds me of something a blogger I read said. She said that when she was growing up in the USSR that the prevailing message was that the ideology was sound, it was only the people who were flawed.

Yes exactly. If the Government are making policy that people won't follow, they have failed.

*@justasking111@ Is there a bigger backstory to your DH's horrible attitude? Perhaps start a thread in Relationship for some help?

[quote thenightsky]*@justasking111@ Is there a bigger backstory to your DH's horrible attitude? Perhaps start a thread in Relationship for some help? [/quote]
No big back story, he makes Scrooge look generous. It has come to a head, he said show me your online bank account so I did. £147 so I said show me yours which he did, £42k he shut up then and said how much do you need. I said 5k, he has given it to me. He knows any money I spend is for grand kids, sky broadband, talk talk, programmes , netflix, he watches more tv than I do. Now I have the 5k, if I eke it out, and the share dividends kick back in we will not have this conversation again. He moaned about the house fund another big chunk of downsize change. We have loaned to eldest DS nearly paid back, then during the pandemic an eye watering amount to middle DS then youngest at uni which is 20k a year with our rentals there is still a shortfall so I dip into the house account around 4k to top up. He has this nutty idea that he is being stolen from. Covid has made it much worse. Ironically if I divorced him he would lose far more. Which I did point out.