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ADs may have buggered boilers but we haven't got the clap

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BogRollBOGOF · 09/01/2021 15:46

The saga continues to continue with more sequels than a trilogy of trilogies...

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TabbyStar · 10/01/2021 19:29

Sorry Loki. That's just reminded me of having to phone around hospitals once a few years ago when my DPs had just disappeared from their house - it's not fun. Hopefully he's in the best place to help him, the treatment is so much better understood now we're a few months in.

Bollss · 10/01/2021 19:34

@justasking111

Friend has two offspring doing medicine. Sent me a message from a lecturer that many medical students have not returned (OK) but they are not turning up for zoom seminar, lecturer has asked nicely if they are all ill or hungover etc. and has forwarded more information to them.

Made me think when they bang on about putting medic students on the front line to help out, how many actually will?? And are we asking too much of them??

My experience of med students is that trying to control them / direct them is like hearding cats. Very intelligent cats, but cats none the less.
Mrsfrumble · 10/01/2021 19:41

Can I ask for some advice from my fellow parents of children with ASD / sensory issues?

DS has eczema in the crooks of his elbows and the back of his knees. With a combo of central heating, cold dry weather and stress he’s scratching himself raw, but WILL MOT let me put any cream or lotion on him at all. He’s let me do it it twice, and because it didn’t instantly clear up and stop itching he insists it’s useless and refuses to let me near him. I hate seeing him scratching constantly, and I’m worried about it getting infected when he breaks the skin. Any tips for persuading the super-stubborn that he needs help??

LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/01/2021 19:41

And now I've the woman who I spoke to earlier who told me he was getting better in tears on the phone, saying shes so sorry and it was a genuine mistake and she is so so sorry, and please don't report her.

MercyBooth · 10/01/2021 19:47

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/10/lockdown-sceptic-covid-police-tough-crackdown-help

he lockdown sceptics, it seems, are in abeyance. Opportunistic media voices who made a habit of denying the necessity of restrictions and the severity of the pandemic are still here, but noticeably quieter. Only 16 MPs, split between the Tories and the Democratic Unionist party, voted against the government’s latest measures. Bursts of dissent about restrictions and the truth of the virus itself will doubtless continue, as proved by the awful spectacle of those people outside London hospitals, seemingly dragged from the subterranean depths of social media into the everyday world, chanting “Covid is a hoax!” But with the crisis entering this new, frightening stage, the mood has inevitably changed.

At the same time, many things that ought to jangle our nerves are as clear now as they were in 2020. The Johnson government has an awful attitude to basic parliamentary scrutiny – and, in Priti Patel, a home secretary who draws on a deep well of authoritarianism and nastiness. Its current Covid regulations are so complicated that they are reckoned to stretch to just under 50,000 words, which makes any coherent understanding of them, let alone questions of enforcement, much more difficult than many people realise
A few of the simpler rules are close to inexplicable, while others may have profound implications for civil liberties that could easily outlast this crisis. For example, though protests were allowed under previous regulations, subject to risk assessments and anti-Covid measures being put in place, any conventional demonstration is now effectively illegal. Lockdown rules may allow collective acts of religious worship, but being involved in organising other gatherings of more than 30 people invites a fixed penalty of £10,000. So far, this restriction has largely been applied to anti-lockdown protests, which has kept concerns about it to the fringes. But sooner or later, it may acquire a lot more political prominence.
One cultural aspect of the Covid era seems to be particularly pronounced: swingeing, judgmental attitudes towards anyone who might seem to be breaching the rules, usually made worse by an apparent refusal to understand just how impossible lockdown is for millions of people. There is a very modern tendency for issues to be understood in terms of caricatures, so that some people’s idea of the typical lockdown breaker might be a conspiracy theorist ranting about Bill Gates, or a reckless hedonist at an illegal rave.

But a more representative archetype might be a woman in low-paid work, confined with her family in a tiny flat, meeting a friend in order simply to stay halfway sane. Put another way, in a society as full of insecurity, poverty and mental illness as ours, some people will inevitably be forced to step outside the rules. It’s something that ought to be met with nuanced and sophisticated thinking rather than with the language of blame and crackdowns – which, in any case, always fall much harder on some parts of society than others.

And then there are the achingly predictable responses to this new phase of the crisis from certain sections of the police. Last year, the initial lockdown saw incidents of officers failing to distinguish between the law and mere guidance, the use of surveillance drones and roadblocks, and such breathtaking suggestions as shoppers’ trolleys being spot-checked for nonessential items. This time, there has been a noisy reaction to the case of Derbyshire police – who have form here – fining two women for driving five miles for a walk, and telling them their hot drinks constituted “a picnic” (a decision now being reviewed). From Bournemouth, footage emerged over the weekend of a woman complaining she was being arrested for “sitting on a bench”, and another being accused by police of the non-offence of leaving her home twice in a day, a transgression they said had been captured on film.

To no one’s great surprise, both Matt Hancock and Priti Patel seem to approve. Meanwhile, the Metropolitan police has announced that officers will be issuing penalties to people “not wearing masks where they should be and without good reason”, while people outside their homes can expect the police “to be more inquisitive as to why they see them out and about”. The police and crime commissioner for the West Midlands, David Jamieson, wants officers to be able to gain entry to people’s homes if they are suspected of breaking Covid regulations

The lack of alarm about these moves is remarkable. In May 2020, the civil rights pressure group Liberty published analysis of the thousands of fixed penalty notices that had been issued to people in England and Wales under Covid legislation. It showed that black and minority-ethnic people were 54% more likely to have been fined than those classified as white.

Last week, I spoke to Katrina Ffrench, a London-based campaigner who has done extensive work on stop and search, and is now the director of a new organisation called Unjust, focused on policing injustices. In 2020, she told me, she had seen plenty of evidence that the police “didn’t think young black men could be out buying milk, or being teachers or other key workers”. Black and brown people, she added, “needed to explain being out and about more than their white counterparts”. Now, her fears now seemed even greater: “There are people who haven’t seen their families for weeks, but they’ll have been stopped by the police three times. That doesn’t feel right.”

If the authorities have concerns about public compliance, the most effective approaches will not involve endless crackdowns, but action on basic facts that still scream out for attention. The predicament of homeless people – not only rough sleepers, but people forced to stay wherever they can – is a huge issue. This country’s miserable rates of statutory sick pay remain in place. Three million self-employed people have been denied the government help given to others in work, and are in the midst of a crisis of both economic security and mental health

Meanwhile, the aspects of immigration legislation that ensure thousands of people have no recourse to public funds, and are thereby denied access to any social safety net, continue to ruin lives. If these things were at last addressed, we might find there is less need for clunky and punitive enforcement. With a little persuasion, the police might feel able to get back to tackling actual crime.

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Running through all these things are basic human truths that the stridency of pro-lockdown posturing too often ignores. Civil liberties matter. It is in the nature of our humanity that people need at least some solace and support, and either the rules themselves or the way they are enforced must leave room for that. We also have to be vigilant about simple prejudice, and the warped ways that so many laws and regulations are enforced.

To understand these things does not make you a lockdown sceptic. It actually highlights something incontestable: that if the methods used to try and control Covid-19 were more reflective of social reality than the eternal British tendency to act tough, we might do a better job not just of managing this crisis, but finally putting it to rest

CoffeeWithCheese · 10/01/2021 19:51

@justasking111

Friend has two offspring doing medicine. Sent me a message from a lecturer that many medical students have not returned (OK) but they are not turning up for zoom seminar, lecturer has asked nicely if they are all ill or hungover etc. and has forwarded more information to them.

Made me think when they bang on about putting medic students on the front line to help out, how many actually will?? And are we asking too much of them??

I think (I'm not a med student but doing a healthcare degree) that students doing heavy-load courses are just completely and totally burnt out. They've taken the shit from the media and society blaming them for the figures, they've had the most utterly miserable university experience ever (I've been onto campus once last term and it was horrific - felt so so hostile) and they're juggling doing assignments being marked under "normal times" criteria but with shit like libraries being closed or restricted access and having to book slots, and shitty technology.

Then the universities get stuff thrown on them last minute - meaning timetables need to be pulled again and again (we got our current draft on Friday but I think it needs re-doing yet again after that), placements have all gone to shit, staff are pushing toward breakdowns because transitioning to online if you're a conscientious member of staff is absolutely piling on the work, and it's just a fucking nightmare.

If it's anything like my course - we don't fecking know half of the time when lectures get changed on us! I've had emails from lecturers wondering why we've not logged on for a lecture that they've changed the time on for us - but not for the staff!

dingit · 10/01/2021 19:54

@Mrsfrumble

Can I ask for some advice from my fellow parents of children with ASD / sensory issues?

DS has eczema in the crooks of his elbows and the back of his knees. With a combo of central heating, cold dry weather and stress he’s scratching himself raw, but WILL MOT let me put any cream or lotion on him at all. He’s let me do it it twice, and because it didn’t instantly clear up and stop itching he insists it’s useless and refuses to let me near him. I hate seeing him scratching constantly, and I’m worried about it getting infected when he breaks the skin. Any tips for persuading the super-stubborn that he needs help??

I suffer from this and often an antihistamine tablet helps . Also the children's farm products from boots I think have a bubble bath.
CoffeeWithCheese · 10/01/2021 19:59

I told DD2 that her skin needs a drink and the more we give it drinks, the less itchy it will be, but it will take a long time to get there. That kind of worked a bit - along with bellowing OI every time she's having a go at it.

It's definitely stress linked for her - she never had it before the fucking first lockdown and we can't get it under control since.

Littlebelina · 10/01/2021 20:02

Flowers @LivinLaVidaLoki

Gratefulrunner · 10/01/2021 20:03

@Mrsfrumble any chance you can put on cream when he’s asleep?
My Ds’s eczema has flared up at the moment. We use child’s farm lotion and a steroid cream top up and anti histamine when it’s really bad. He doesn’t have a bath every day and when he does he uses a child’s farm bubble bath and shampoo, no soap.

MercyBooth · 10/01/2021 20:03

Does that mean she just made a mistake and thought he was getting better or was she told to tell you that by her boss.

Gratefulrunner · 10/01/2021 20:04

My med student nephew is working as a vaccinator. He worked in hospitals in the first wave.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/01/2021 20:14

When she called @MercyBooth she said it was a genuine mistake and she did seem really upset.

justasking111 · 10/01/2021 20:23

Elsewhere on here a med. student has had her rotation in the hospital next month cancelled, lack of time to do any training, guess that is a sensible decision.

MercyBooth · 10/01/2021 20:33

Shes probably run off her feet and very pressured. Hope you get an update on your DB soon Flowers

ISaySteadyOn · 10/01/2021 20:49

Flowers @LivinLaVidaLoki

Bollss · 10/01/2021 20:54

@justasking111

Elsewhere on here a med. student has had her rotation in the hospital next month cancelled, lack of time to do any training, guess that is a sensible decision.
Am not surprised. We are expecting some on our unit in the next few weeks. They'll have to join ward reviews virtually for some of it because of social distancing / closed wards. It's not ideal.
Bollss · 10/01/2021 20:55

@LivinLaVidaLoki

When she called *@MercyBooth* she said it was a genuine mistake and she did seem really upset.
Sorry to hear he's in hospital. Really hope his condition improves soon. Ah poor woman. She sounds genuinely sorry Sad
LivinLaVidaLoki · 10/01/2021 20:58

@MercyBooth, @TrustTheGeneGenie
I just said to her that what is done is done. Reporting for this doesn't solve anything or make anything better, and right now my energy is best spent trying to help or support DB.
So let's just take it as a lesson learnt and move on. Hopefully she was OK with that.

Worldgonecrazy · 10/01/2021 21:12

Flowers @LivinLaVidaLoki hope he is okay

Worldgonecrazy · 10/01/2021 21:16

Flocked to a beach in a naice area of Dorset and there were many elderly rebels sitting on benches drinking take away coffee. Some younger members of the rebel alliance were seen enjoying a very illegal picnic on the beach with their toddlers. No police around, they must all have been making sure the oiks in Bournemouth were behaving so the middle classes could enjoy their lattes in the sunshine.

Wishfulthinking1977 · 10/01/2021 21:17

A question for my friends on here that are probably more switched on than me! Just living with a scientist/data analyst I have been encouraged to look deeper?! Not disputing the effects of this virus as dh is quite poorly atm, but still question the response! I have just spent ages looking at the death figures for 2020 and I come up with 618,000? From ons, I go back and in 2018 it was 616,000? So in my mind (happy to be corrected) we have 2,000 more deaths with all these measures, how many are caused by them? I'm definitely not saying it's a good number but seeing as I know more people dead because of lockdown in my small town I do wonder! Perhaps if they stopped the testing, social distancing and allowed the NHS to be properly used (stop scaring people from using it?) we would be in a better position? Just my thoughts!

Lifeinaonesie · 10/01/2021 21:20

@CoffeeWithCheese I'm an academic and that's about right. Many students have disengaged. It's very very hard for us to form any kind of link with them in short online sessions where we can't see their faces (most turn cameras and mics off throughout). Although in our institution we have changed criteria for them, smaller word counts, open book exams, adapted marking guides.

Seriouslymole · 10/01/2021 21:22

@LivinLaVidaLoki Flowers so sorry to hear about your DB.

I have had an OK day today but sense very much that DS (11) is on the edge of a complete flip out. He has said he is going to phone all his friends tomorrow to meet up as he is not allowed to do anything he wants and he doesn’t care about learning but he does care about socialising and that is part of what school is about.

He’s quite right of course but I’m trying to get him to see that he should adhere to the “rules” not because I believe that in the very slightest but I think psychologically it might be easier if we believe we’re trying to do the right thing and help. It doesn’t make it easier that DH and I have been very vocal about lockdown being a complete nonsense from the start. I feel we have handled it all very badly.

MrsMerrick · 10/01/2021 21:28

Flowers @LivinLaVidaLoki and @Pleasedontdothat (and anyone else who needs them). I hope your brother gets better quickly, Loki.

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