Tier 3 home but going on a tier 2 day out?

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Absolutely aware that everyone has had a shitty year, and that we're all suffering and having to make sacrifices.
However, DH and I have had a particularly shitty year, and Xmas, and a friend has offered to look after our son tomorrow if we want to spend a bit of time together. I would really like to travel to our nearest town, which happens to be tier 2 as opposed to the tier 3 we live in. We could have a spot of lunch somewhere and a walk around. I know this is technically not OK but it would be such a treat.

Should we go for it, or will you all rip me a new one for suggesting it?!

You're obviously not going to get the answer you want here - you've asked if you should do something blatantly against the guidance for not a particularly exceptional reason. But you can of course get away with it, so I guess you'll just have to decide if it's worth the risk (to you and others).

We are tier 3, and staying in tier 3. We border tier 2 and it would be lovely to go for an indoor meal but I think it's selfish - the hospitality trade has had an awful time and they don't need the problems of a tier 3 person visiting their premises!

Do people really say spot of lunch

Yabu

I wouldn’t do it.

We are all fed up, we have all had shit years - my husband lost his sister and got to see her for 30 minutes on the night she died, not at all during her illness.

But if we are to shorten this in any way it is to follow the rules.

I’m tier 2 and had lunch with my husband last week, the police went round the tables asking where everyone was from? They didn’t ask for proof but it certainly was unnerving.

@MoiraNotRuby

We are tier 3, and staying in tier 3. We border tier 2 and it would be lovely to go for an indoor meal but I think it's selfish - the hospitality trade has had an awful time and they don't need the problems of a tier 3 person visiting their premises!

We're tier 2 staying in our county & avoiding pubs / restaurants because we know it will be full of tier 3. And also, even though we are tier 2 its best to keep ourselves to ourselves as much as possible and avoid indoor places.

Yes, by all means go. Not sure what everybody is getting worked up about.
You have clearly had a shit time, nobody I know has. Go for your treat, sod everybody else. But please don't moan when the entire Country is in full lockdown, kids are not being educated in school and the hospitals are full to the brink because of rule breakers. Cancer, heart, liver patients etc don't really need treatment anyway.
Its fine, the Country will follow rules so you don't have to.

I am also in tier 3, likely to go to tier 4 soon. My teen is climbing the walls, I have seen my mum once. I have worked from home and barely left my house. I am tired, I am fed up, my DP is CEV and every cough has scared me. My kids have been tested an unknown number of times. I know healthy nurses fall so ill they have been hospitalised and after months of illness they haven't recovered and are still not back in work. But you crack on. Go for your lunch.

It isn't illegal as a tier 3 inhabitant to cross in to tier 2 and to use any facilities that are open there. There is guidance against doing it but not legislation. The police do not always interpret the law correctly and 100s of fixed penalty notices given out in the first lockdown were quashed. I think also there has been spin in reporting, so a person from tier 3 could be found in a pub having a meal with others not of their household and it would be reported as tier 3 dweller fined for being in pub in tier 2.
However, it is illegal to have lunch with your friend, unless you are having a picnic and it is illegal for your friend to come into your house to babysit (you can form a childcare bubble but it has to be a permanent one and only used when there is no reasonable alternative).

I agree the police are overstepping but they are still doing it.

Pubs and restaurants are asking for ID too.

We’ve gone from tier 3 to tier 2 to our holiday home for the week but we’ve taken our tier with us, so not going out for meals etc.

@JacobReesMogadishu

There is no legal obligation to disclose personal details to the police if you are a member of the general public who is not suspected of committing a crime or a witness to a crime. If the police have a reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime then you must give your information to them.

I think a lot of people would argue that simply sitting in a bar does not give the police reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed.

If the bar is fuller than usual for example, there may be reasonable suspicion that at least some of the people there aren't local and have come from another tier. I was more correcting the notion that you're under no obligation to give your details to the police, which is untrue in some cases.

We're tier 2 and our local pubs and restaurants are turning away people from higher tiers (or closing to save the aggro) so you may have a wasted journey anyway.

Surely the lease company is the registered owner and you are the registered keeper ?

If the police have a reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime then you must give your information to them.

In this case, going to a pub or restaurant in T2 while living in T3 is actually a criminal offence. The travel aspect is guidance and not law so isn't an offfence.

That isn’t correct. It has been made an offence for people to travel out of T4 except for specific reasons but it is only advisory in T3. It is not against the law but rather advise for people in T3 to go into a pub/restaurant in T2, as long as they are with their own household only. It is against the law for people from other households in T3/T2 to meet indoors, so if people are travelling from T3 to T2 to meet their friends, the meeting up is an offence

In this case, going to a pub or restaurant in T2 while living in T3 is actually a criminal offence. The travel aspect is guidance and not law so isn't an offfence.

It’s frustrating when people tell others that they can and can’t do and then get it wrong themselves

@AllTheUserNamesAreTaken @OverTheRainbow88

"CAN I BE CHARGED WITH A CRIMINAL OFFENCE?
Yes, because these regulations create new criminal offences. So it’s now against the law to:

breach a Tier 1 restriction, a Tier 2 restriction or a Tier 3 restriction
obstruct a person who is enforcing the regulations
defy directions by police, such as when they tell you to go home or tell you to leave a gathering."

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/advice_information/coronavirus-criminal-penalties/

Further, the rules state you effectively take your tier level with you, so if you can't go to the pub in Tier 3 then you can't if you travel to 2. That's on the Gov website ("If you live in a Tier 3 area, you must continue to follow Tier 3 rules when you travel to a Tier 1 or Tier 2 area")

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Great, so I can ask my friend to look after my kids so I can go out for lunch in a tier 2 area then? Is that the new rules now? Fab

Im tier 3 on border on tier 2 and local shopping falls half way between tier 2/3 people are up in arms if anyone dares shop there , ni tier 2 people need to come to tier 2 to shop , 5 min drive as opposed to 45 min to drive to other side if county for supermarkets , here I think common sense needs to just take place but going for a meal out in tier 2 when in tier 3 not really right , quick nip for shops/ food maybe
Ironically by us the tier 2 school that many in our area also use has had quite a few covid cases but its done by county so you get lumped in by the rest of your county

*tier 2 need to come to tier 3 for food shop i mean

@Monkeytapper

Great, so I can ask my friend to look after my kids so I can go out for lunch in a tier 2 area then? Is that the new rules now? Fab

Will meet you there! Please don't bring your mask! Where shall we dine? I love these new rules!

@Idroppedthescrewinthetuna only come if you have had a particularly shitty year though.
This is never going to end at this rate.

No don’t do it . Many many people have had a difficult year and unless we all stick to the rules it will last longer and longer . Every person could probably think of a reason to break the rules , don’t be selfish.

@PolPotNoodle what’s with the kissing emojis and kisses?

I never said people couldn’t be prosecuted for breaching T3 restrictions. Of course they can.

What I said was travelling to T2 and going into a pub with own household isn’t against the law - it isn’t listed in the restrictions, only in the guidance. It may be against the ‘rules’/guidance/advice according to the gov website but some of what is on there is guidance and some of it legal restrictions.

‘Gathering’ indoors is illegal with anyone except own household in tier 3 or tier 2. Simply being present in a restaurant with tables of other customers is not ‘gathering’, otherwise everyone in tier 1 or 2 would commit an offence every time they eat out! In the same way going into a supermarket which has more than 6 customers/staff would be a gathering so against the law

Here’s a link to the actual legislation with T3 restrictions

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/made

See schedule 3 for the T3 restrictions

we've all had a rubbish year and not following these simple guidelines is what id speading this virus and making it last even longer.