ADs and their very long lists!

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We were up to 999 posts so thought we needed a new thread!

Just a question and I know I'm amongst friends but have been very badly trolled in the past! I keep hearing the NHS is still open for non covid but can anyone direct me to where?! What I have dealt with in the last 4 weeks (yes no one is dead, or in icu) has been pretty awful and the NHS in my area has for what I can see ceased to exist?! Yes financially I'm fucked, yes my kids now have no jobs to go back to, I understand its all for the 'Greater good' but everyone saying that if the hospitals are overwhelmed then you will get no treatment why are some of my family and friends still waiting for a year for any access to the NHS, yet my dh pays over £500 a month into ni? We live somewhere with a massive elderly population and yet have 0 deaths and no cases that I know of! Not having a go at nurses or anyone working in the NHS! I just don't understand why we have been abandoned?! X

I'd just carry on with regular local life. The infection rates are unlikely to be wildly different either.

The point is people not travelling substantial distances and exposing lower risk areas (especially as many of them have lower infrastructure in healthcare as Cornwall has been for much of the year)

Back around October I carried on taking my DCs to their swimming lesson in the next county. It reached tiers 2 & 3 ahead of us. It's far more local to me than the majority of my county or even the opposite side of my city!

We've found the NHS has been there for urgent situations, and the GP has been pretty accessible too, although more online and by phone (this is an improvement IMO), but the routine non-urgent outpatients / planned procedure stuff is not happening, and of course some of those may become urgent.

Curlygirl I'm not sure what the official line is, I think it's guidance rather than law if I was forced to guess, but I would just go to the usual one. We've not been checked travelling around.

All London schools closed now. Nice to know how my DC are regarded. Worthless disease spreaders. Fuck the lot of them. I can't do this anymore.

I'm so done with it today, I feel like I'm in a parallel universe with people screaming about being safe all the time. It's like black mirror, in fact I bet Charlie Brooker has had trouble coming up with anything that is more disturbing than real life recently

@ISaySteadyOn

All London schools closed now. Nice to know how my DC are regarded. Worthless disease spreaders. Fuck the lot of them. I can't do this anymore.

I really feel for you. I'm waiting to hear the same about our area.

I can definitely see how witch hunting went on back in the day. Hoards of people shouting "she's not safe....witch!!!!" Because she shopped in Asda twice in a week.

Cannot believe they've changed their mind so rapidly. Was bad enough they only gave 5 days notice, now some parents have a weekend to sort out last minute childcare?!

Well there is no last min childcare is there, it's tier 4 so you can't dump the kids on a neighbour. They are expecting women to take the hit, again.

Please forgive me, I’ve been gone for a long time, but damn do I need you guys again now. We’re in one of the London boroughs that has just done a u-turn on primary schools. After I’ve already reassured my incredibly anxious autistic child that he’ll be able go back to school next Tuesday as planned. His school closed in the second week of December due to an outbreak so he’s already been off for nearly 4 weeks. Everyone else is pleased and thinks it’s a good decision. I just want to curl up and cry at the thought of trying to get a stressed, angry, miserable child to engage with remote learning yet again. I fucking hate this so much.

I've just burst into tears. Think we're in either the same or neighbouring boroughs, @Mrsfrumble. DD2 will be very sad.

So you are not alone.

So angry for those now breaking yet another u-turn to children tonight. I fear now they've got to that level - they won't stop till it's all tier 4.

Dr Who just made me bawl my eyes out at the ending. I fucking love the Ryan character for the fact it's someone with dyspraxia who was a bit more than the "oh shit coordination" stereotype - and the bike riding. Fuck the Daleks... the bike got me.

Just seen the news about primary schools in London. I’m so sorry for all of you affected by this. The crap doesn’t let up does it.

@Mrsfrumble
Could he attend as a vulnerable child or wouldn't he cope with it not being school as normal?

I don't think there are border checks or anything like that.
Although my ds is booked into an activity tomorrow and they rang up to check our home postcode and advise they will be asking for ID. We are tier 3 but counties to the North, South and East are all tier 4.

@Mrsfrumble - does he have an EHCP? As kowari says, he sounds like a vulnerable child to me. My DS1 (secondary) be back at school on Monday. It's not the same as normal school, but still a vast improvement on being at home.

for those struggling with the schools situation. It's disgraceful they've altered decisions this late on again. I suspect the rest of tier 4 won't be far behind in terms of primary closures. I think for DS this would mean he'd have to still go because I'd be expected to work but it depends if work cut our services down to the bone again like in March. I hope not. We never really caught up and at least work&school is something we can chat about when we get home. The prospect of filling January and February with winter walks 7 days a week fills me with dread.

I'm so sick to death of having to suddenly tell my kids again and again that something they've looked forward to (and contrary to MN opinion - mine would rather be at school than not) is being pulled from their grasp... swimming - on/off/on/off, cubs zoom/facetoface/zoom/in a field/zoom... and now school is looking distinctly iffy.

I emailed the school the other day laying out my mental health deterioration and asking that they put my kids on the vulnerable list if the school closures spread.

@TabbyStar

We've found the NHS has been there for urgent situations, and the GP has been pretty accessible too, although more online and by phone (this is an improvement IMO), but the routine non-urgent outpatients / planned procedure stuff is not happening, and of course some of those may become urgent.

Curlygirl I'm not sure what the official line is, I think it's guidance rather than law if I was forced to guess, but I would just go to the usual one. We've not been checked travelling around.

That's my thoughts on it, don't lick the trolleys, you'll be grand!

Urgh, so sorry to hear about the primary London closures. We are in a non London tier 4 area, I suspect our schools will not be far behind. Am hoping my DCs can still go into school, Dh is a key worker. I am not but have a v busy full on job that doesn’t sit well with also home education...
I really hate how divisive life has become these days. The different tiers, schools open in some areas v closed in others, the mask wearing v non wearing, rule followers v not rule followers, the fear and doom mongering etc.

Anyone seen what was said by Hugh Montgomery?

Just seen the thread about the dfe considering masks in secondary schools and everybody clamouring to mask up their kids as soon as possible. Lots of people citing other countries doing this months ago. I can’t be bothered to engage on there but I would love to tell them all that from what I can tell masks in schools seem to make fuck all difference and that France in fact only claim them as a success because it means they don’t have to close any schools or classes for isolating anymore. This is not however because they make much of a difference to virus spread but instead it is due to their mask wearing and track and trace policy. Under current French regulations, if you have not spent more than 15 minutes unmasked with somebody else then they will not be considered a close contact if you later test positive.

There have even been complaints from parents because schools were found to be timing lunch eating time as exactly 15 mins and then kicking the kids out with masks back on because then if any one child tests positive, nobody else in the class, year or school has to isolate because nobody has been out of a mask for longer than 15 minutes. They practice this same policy in workplaces too.

My DC are in a french school and I know absolutely tons of parents and children who have tested positive (including mine), especially when we had the bigger numbers now seen in the UK back in late October/Early November. Anecdotally, I’d even say that since they introduced masks at Primary school level, that was when I really noticed a rapid rise in cases amongst the parents and kids!

Thank you for the sympathy. I’m grateful not to be called selfish for wanting him to go into school. DS doesn’t have an EHCP; we were told he’s too high functioning. It’s true that he does miraculously well at school (he also has ADHD), but only if he can compartmentalise; school is teachers and friends and masking to fit in. Home is me and Lego and being able to be as quirky as he likes. He can’t cope with there being no divide between the two and becomes incredibly stressed. He acts out and won’t engage with online learning. I’m considering emailing the school and begging, but I doubt it will do any good. Current SENCO is bloody useless (maternity cover), they know I’m not working at the moment and they have so many keyworker kids they probably won’t have space.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/out-side-three-months-health-19545116

Some positivity for a change.

@Wishfulthinking1977
NHS non-covid service worker here. We haven't stopped doing community rehab for patients sent home from hospital. Waiting times & workloads are growing but no one gets turned away. Problems come about because of staff either catching covid themselves, or self-isolating, or having to take carer's leave to care for children whose school bubbles have burst.

We are not heroes, no one really thinks about us. But we are still here. I dread being told we have to stop our normal work & be redeployed to hospitals. I haven't worked in an acute hospital for 20 years.

I have every sympathy for patients given a raw deal by the NHS right now. This includes a relative of mine, & some of my patients.

What does ADs mean please?? Anyone???