ADs and their very long lists!

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We were up to 999 posts so thought we needed a new thread!

You can defo do 1-1 in homes as long as you and the parents/students are happy - same as November rules.

I'm just glad there's no Tier 5!!

I've just read the following exchange on the BBC news website:

"Conservative MP James Cartlidge asks the education secretary whether he agrees that vaccinating teachers as soon as possible would make schools safer and reduce pressure to close them.

In response, Gavin Williamson says: "The decision in terms of vaccination has to be prioritised across a whole raft of areas, but the key thing is those people who are most clinically vulnerable.

"But as we get through that stage of clinical need, I would certainly hope that we would be able to look at how we can use vaccinations for those who are in the teaching profession and who support education." "

This makes me a bit uncomfortable: if they did prioritise teachers ahead of other people once the 9 higher risk categories have been vaccinated, then they are effectively saying that this job/person is more important/worthy than that one.

Who would decide the pecking order for different professions? You could surely argue that (for example) anyone in the food chain; utilities workers; transport workers; - the list could go on and on - should equally be prioritised, as without them the country would grind to a halt. Can you imagine all the fights among all the different unions, to get their members done first.

I think it's a dangerous path to start down, and I hope that once the most vulnerable have been vaccinated, that they just go on in something like age brackets: 50-55; 45-50; 40-45 etc, as we know that age seems to be the biggest risk factor, and leave your job title well out of it.

I’m crying, I can’t do this anymore. I can’t be positive anymore for my children. Same shit different day. I hope the D’s are happy. This is existing not living. Nothing we do is good enough. Our figures are less now than October, what is the point.

@MissEWeatherwax

I’m crying, I can’t do this anymore. I can’t be positive anymore for my children. Same shit different day. I hope the D’s are happy. This is existing not living. Nothing we do is good enough. Our figures are less now than October, what is the point.

You can be positive. Just look for one positive thing today.

My positive (ridiculous though it is) is that the extra two weeks gives me the opportunity to exchange DS' tracksuit trousers for the right size - currently they will last him through to six form.

I know how you feel - I keep saying to people there is more to living than just not dying. I am done with it, but you HAVE to keep positive. You have to.

I know this is peanuts in the greater scheme of things, but I do wish they would stop referring to Jonathan Van Tamm as 'JVT' in the press conferences. It strikes me as so unprofessional and makes me MAD.

And I've just stopped myself from engaging on the Other Thread. Someone asked about how long it took for a positive test to be included in the figures. I was about to reply that cynically, probably whenever they wanted to manipulate them to force the public to comply, or for their own ends.

I am so over this now, even with the news of the Oxford vaccine.

@MissEWeatherwax More and more of the public are realising that whatever we do it will never be good enough.

@NeedWineNow I agree. Its disrespectful

I'm over it too and were lucky as we've stayed in tier 3 and primary school is opening (for now) but I feel depressed reading all the "why can't we just have full lockdown" comments. I mean I almost want full lockdown so they'll all shut the fuck up about it. And yes, I know the nhs is overwhelmed, I know staff are dropping like flies and it's my job to make sure our department is staffed 24/7 and no it's not been easy but I AM SICK TO FUCKING DEATH OF HEARING ABOUT IT.

Sorry to plop on but I just lurk here normally , but I have been shocked by the statement from the 7 north east authorities and how it portrays the gov.uk information - see pic. It might be just me, but these don’t say the same thing!! The LA one is terrifying and wrong

Gateshead have worded it like 1 in 3 people have corona full stop, which of course they do not.

Sorry if anyone has answered but as far as I can see they haven't... what is an "AD"?

I'm very conflict about what is the best action to take. I'd be interested to know what a lot of people on this thread think we should do?
But anyway I'm in Gateshead and comments because it absolutely does read like 1 in 3 of all people people have covid with no symptoms. It should say something like up to 1 in 3 people who have covid may be asymptomatic or something. But not this!

If 1 in 3 people did have CV without symptoms that would be very good news indeed. Weed have heard immunity within weeks..

I’m not convinced any of the restrictions make much difference, possibly slow spread down a little bit but my unscientific theory is that a virus cannot really be contained. It naturally ebbs and flows according to the seasons and it is also increasingly obvious (I think) that it’s starting to reach herd immunity levels in some areas and areas where it hasn’t yet properly reached are still seeing cases rise. Take France as an example; a French newspaper published a map of the country yesterday with areas highlighted in different colours according to how many icu patients they have per region. Areas like Paris and suburbs, both hit hard at the first wave and at the start of the second wave, are now orange. The west and south saw cases soar at the end of the summer after the summer holidays and those regions are also now green or orange after a national semi lockdown and continuing restrictions which began in November. The only regions not yet affected were the Eastern ones. And guess where the majority of cases are now concentrated? Interestingly the same article reports that apart from those areas highlighted in pink, icu occupancy is under 60% on all other areas and nationally the percentage is 52.7%. That figure was pushing 93% in November.

Since France has always been slightly ahead of the UK, these kinds of facts make me hopeful that the uk will also soon see significant drops because there aren’t many areas left now that haven’t seen record cases.

@PolkadotGiraffe if you select all for the OP posts there was a good explanation on 27th. I can't seem to copy paste at the moment.

Right, that's it, we need widespread civil disobedience now. This is utterly ridiculous. Who is going to grasp the bull by the horns? It can't be anyone seen as a bit flaky, so who would you think? Personally I think a load of disaffected house of Lords members combining with MP's. This is all wrong. Why are we so meek?
I am totally fed up. I am drinking far too much and I even bought a box of crunchy nut cornflakes as a comfort (this is after a year of abstinence and dieting because of my health issues). I now really don't care if dietary indiscretion shortens my life because it's not the slightest bit interesting anymore. Fuck Boris, fuck Handjob, we are being pissed on from a great height. What can we do? In desperation....

[quote countrygirl99]@PolkadotGiraffe if you select all for the OP posts there was a good explanation on 27th. I can't seem to copy paste at the moment.[/quote]
Thank you for replying. I am in the app so I can't figure out how to do that. 😕 Maybe my usual technological ineptness! 😬😆

I am no wiser Boris has spoken, Nicola has spoken from Welsh government complete silence. We have kids too.

I’m not convinced any of the restrictions make much difference, possibly slow spread down a little bit but my unscientific theory is that a virus cannot really be contained.

That's my reading of it too, lockdown or no lockdown, masks or no masks, places end up in a similar place.

There are not significant excess deaths now, though I've no doubt the hospitals are overwhelmed - a mix of the usual winter pressures, plus fewer beds because of isolating covid, and staff absences - though this should be offset to some extent by all the other services that have been cancelled. This is a crisis of management though - inadequate planning over the summer plus historic under-investment.

It's also not clear that the excess deaths are covid deaths rather than "lockdown" deaths.

There is still a lot of nonsense around. There is increasing evidence of minimal asymptomatic spread - they would be better putting all their resources now into vaccination instead of more and more testing that doesn't show much in the way of positives (students, lorry drivers, Liverpool, wherever it was in Wales etc.)

I would let everyone who wants to get back to normal and protect the vulnerable more than is being done so - I think this is pragmatically the approach that many people are already taking, it's certainly what we've done in our family.

I'll attached the deaths graph to the next post from my phone.

See previous post.

This is the what are AD's post:

And the AD stands for anti dementor.
There are creatures in Harry Potter called dementors, who suck all hope and happiness from you and eventually take your soul. Way back at the start of the pandemic thread after thread was posted on by posters like this and anyone who'd dare question anything or disagree with anything (like putting cheese in your coffee) was bullied off these threads. And so any actual discussion disappeared and it became an echo chamber of misery.

We are the antidote to that. We follow the rules,but not the "roolz" and we question and discuss with respect to each other. It's all very civil.

@Seriouslymole thank you, but my reserves are gone. I can’t find joy in anything.
I have spent the day watching cheesy films on Netflix. I just want the house to myself so I can do some painting, well paint another test patch on wall and differ.
I feel for everyone, especially people with primary children if schools close.

@Reedwarbler

Right, that's it, we need widespread civil disobedience now. This is utterly ridiculous. Who is going to grasp the bull by the horns? It can't be anyone seen as a bit flaky, so who would you think? Personally I think a load of disaffected house of Lords members combining with MP's. This is all wrong. Why are we so meek? I am totally fed up. I am drinking far too much and I even bought a box of crunchy nut cornflakes as a comfort (this is after a year of abstinence and dieting because of my health issues). I now really don't care if dietary indiscretion shortens my life because it's not the slightest bit interesting anymore. Fuck Boris, fuck Handjob, we are being pissed on from a great height. What can we do? In desperation....

I am not some kind of oracle, obvs 😂

But I'm sorry to say, those of us who actively campaigned against lockdown from March, who either protested or supported the protests in some way, have pretty much given up. We got NO support. We were painted as a conspiracy theorists and in March, we were told we were stupid to think restrictions would get worse this winter. This is EXACTLY what we campaigned to avoid amd no one gave a shit.

We were told were stupid for not believing in the vax. I haven't been brave enough to get out there but i can assure you, women, especially women alone, were targeted on those marches by the police.

One of my friends was desperately upset that she couldnt spend the night in a police cell because of her children....yet, she should have done that for her children because it's their future she wants to secure.

I am careful what I say here because I din't want ti be identified.

But the original band of us who tried to fight - the general population did not back us. We are not now going to do anything except what we can to save ourselves and our like minded folk.

If there are going to be protests, you cannot look to us for help. We are worn out. We did our best and no one gave a shit.

I keep hearing Taylor Swift "don't say I didn't warn you".

I wasn't on mn in April. I was suicidal. Well intentioned people told me i was imagining things that wouldnt happen. Now I am mentally better off than they are.

I don't really talk to friends much unless they are anti lockdown, hence MN.

@MissEWeatherwax it is unbelievably shit.