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Egghead68 · 08/12/2020 09:55

Thought I’d set this up as we don’t seem to have one. Please delete if we do and I’ve missed it.

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bloodywhitecat · 05/01/2021 22:41

Thank you, we live rurally, the only things we usually stumble upon is wildlife.

MarieVanGoethem · 05/01/2021 23:13

@cookiemonster5
Pity about Deliveroo, but it sounds like you’re pretty well sorted. I wanted to ask not assume though as it’s so annoying when people do That Thing of “well everyone can just...” - can be tricky sometimes if you’ve no idea where someone is, obviously, but with this, you’d helpfully provided clue that you might not be able to summon a wee grocery shop (or indeed choose from a bewildering array of takeaways) in a matter of minutes. Don’t feel bad about asking for help via the local volunteer groups & things if you need it. That’s quite literally what they’re there for.
I’m so sorry you’re stuck with an unpleasant person having edged themselves into your friendship group. It’s genuinely very sad when people carry on with the worst kind of “playground” unpleasantnesses as adults. Ugh. If you can engage with them as little as possible without it seeming pointed I’d do that. (In my final year at university I may possibly have thought my lovely best friend suggested I stab someone I’d been at school with after they sent me a deeply unpleasant letter. Well, I showed her the final & most unpleasant one. And being a bit upset, wasn’t fully keeping my mind on contextual clues for language. More icy snubbing less stabbing, oooh, it’s a different world... [To be clear, am advocating the snubbing option, temperature of your choosing.])
It must be particularly tough for your son now almost no children have to shield - it’s rough enough doing it as an adult; but to have to stick at it as a child/teenager when it’s all over everywhere that your peers are no longer having to shield? That’ll have to be one of those absolute thorough teeth kicking-ins. Does he have any support through the team that manage his care, or the place that provides his respite if applicable? I’m sure you’ve seen the booklet the Scottish government put together quite early on about supporting children & young people; the SAMH page is very-much teen-targeted, not sure if that’s right for your DS; Young Minds is UK-wide & their landing-page references Covid-19... there are lots more resources out there than there used to be (unfortunately possibly partly as CAMHS is ever-more stretched) & the impact on MH was why they were after our getting out to exercise & even meet people other people.

@Madhairday
Hello again Smile I’m assuming we’ll all get a letter of some kind to explain the new rules for shielders. Once they’ve made them up. Always the afterthought, after all...
I’ve no separate bathroom so just avoid going in there for a while after my brother’s showered & we’ve our own soap & hand-towels as well as own everything else. Own soap & towels in the kitchen too; & I use a separate dish sponge on separate cutlery & crockery. We cook & eat separately anyway; & we try very hard to keep 2m away from each other. (Latter just in pandemic times, we don’t have some kind of weather-house &/or opposing magnetic poles thing going.) The cats are free to bop about between us as they will though - they’re indoor cats, so making anywhere in a wee end-terrace off-limits other than briefly would be quite distressing for them; & while they expect my brother to get up and feed them when they decide it is time for them to be fed they mostly spend their time cuddled up with me...
I hope you & your DH don’t have too grim a Lurgy Flowers

@FlatteredRhubardFool & @bloodywhitecat
In Tier 4 they were still encouraging us to exercise; & there was a lot of concern about the negative physical & mental health impact of shielding so I think that they’ll still say exercise is ok. The other thing is that the shielding guidance is only guidance - you only HAVE to follow the same rules as the rest of the population [around you]. I was advised by my haematologist in the summer that my personal circumstances combined to mean that when shielding “paused” I could relax it to the extent of putting stuff out in the bins myself (if I wear a clean mask every time & wash my hands thoroughly afterwards), but No Gallivanting For Me. Unless you count hospital appointments, my flu jab, &/or my trip to the dentist, which my poor long-suffering parent has continued to drive me to & from Blush I’ve a friend who lives somewhere she’s able to avoid people enough to get out & about - & I’ve also friends who have to calculate quantity of life vs quality. Wearing masks while you’re out seems sensible - I mean obviously it’s what I’ve to do so I will feel less silly (it works in my head, ok?) but more importantly, you can’t control how other people behave & masks offer some protection from germ-riddled exhalations Envy (Not. Envy.)
And Rhubarb, I hope you’re feeling ok after that cloudburst of worry-stress over school & your DS.
bloody - what sort of dog have you? My aunt & uncle have a dalmatian, who is VERY bouncy, in the adorable tail-whipping way dallies are Grin
(Think @Babysharkdoodoodood [I used my Thinking Brain & refreshed thread before posting, oh yes] has put it best about doing your own risk/benefit analysis. If you’re very rural then taking the dog out on days he’s well enough - but being prepared to meet people even though you basically never do - sounds like it would be better for your DH.)

@NewCatMummy
Does your username not basically mean you should be paying the Cat Tax on EVERY post Hmm (Sorry, but, well, my priorities, they are in order...)
If you’ve been provided with the means to bob about the place like Galinda due to being CEV I am very jealous. (But I’d rather be able to apparate - as long as I didn’t have a splinching accident, bleh - than drift about as she does, or even travel by broom.) Crucially, though, there’s nothing useless about you. If a colleague - or indeed a student - were to need accommodations in non-pandemic-times due to their physical &/or mental health requirements you’d not call them useless would you? Nor would you see as dispensable the colleague who put themselves through it in the way someone who’s CEV working in a school [in Tier 3] has. There are plenty of people on MN lined up to attack school staff: how mean to spoil their fun by pulling yourself to pieces too small for them to be able to see much less kick. You need to be gentle with yourself - excellent example to set your teens, too, yes?

@Egghead68
Do you think that means now we have individual cupcakes? (Good grief, I just looked up wedding cake alternatives. I worry wedding doughnuts would end up stale & icky & sad. I mean, it’s not going to preoccupy me hugely, but it would be awful if you had Sad Doughnuts on the soi-disant Happiest Day Of Your Life.) Or possibly The Gods are now watching us from in the round Hmm
Are you trying to suggest there might be something even slightly irksome about Miss “I was glad I got crutches not a doll, because I’m so lucky not to need crutches” Pollyanna Whittier?! ShockHmmGrin I am shocked, I tell you, shocked... (I am in fact an elite-level Glad Game player. Glad Game Team stash would clearly be hilarious, why do I not have the power to make these things happen?)

MarieVanGoethem · 06/01/2021 14:01

Welp, apparently we’re now “officially” heroes for shielding; & to be included in the new version of the National Post-Modern Rough Musicking. Although obviously we came last on the list of specific groups Wink

Currently a whole paint chart of red for the entire family tree of anyone involved in coming up with this, frankly. Jesus wept.

bloodywhitecat · 06/01/2021 16:48

@MarieVanGoethem We have a Springier AKA Alf, he is a cross between an English Springer and a Kerry Blue terrier AKA a pain-in-the-arse. (Or as our three year old fosterling used to tell everyone "He's Alf. He's a Useless Spanner and a Very Blue terrier..."). He's 16 months old now.

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Poppystars · 06/01/2021 22:44

@Madhairday last time we shielded as a family and worked from home with the children.... lots of early morning/late nights to fit that in, but thankfully young children who sleep 11 hours usually. Separate bedrooms for my DH and I, and I used just the en-suite, rest used the bathroom ( my house is not that grand, honest, just modern with 3 toilets and small bedrooms!) The children did not leave the garden until July, small though it is, so we mixed with them fully. Saw no family or friends. I think my DH did 2-3 trips to a post box or chemist for urgent prescription for me in that time. I had one hospital appointment that was necessary.

This time, well children were in school Mon. DH and I now in separate rooms as feel it is something we can do at least and helps will working weird hours again! No shops, nothing. Except he will walk to nearest post box to post some cards/thank you letters. Got plastic gloves for that just in case! And we may, or may not go out for some family exercise as semi-rural. But have not yet!
Dilemma is whether to let me little one go to his pre-school or nursery or not as of next week. As open. Nightmare trying to work from home with youngest at home - and work demand a different and less flexible this time! Massive dilemma. Other two of school age - so life is different!

*@MarieVanGoethem@ hope you get those Vit D injections as soon as possible. As well as everything else you need!!

Has anyone been out for exercise?

I have never heard of a Springier @bloodywhitecat - what a gorgeous picture!

Didkdt · 07/01/2021 02:12

@MarieVanGoethem

Welp, apparently we’re now “officially” heroes for shielding; & to be included in the new version of the National Post-Modern Rough Musicking. Although obviously we came last on the list of specific groups Wink

Currently a whole paint chart of red for the entire family tree of anyone involved in coming up with this, frankly. Jesus wept.

When we paused shielding in the summer 3 friends held a socially distanced barbecue to celebrate my release, a dr friend toasted me for shielding to help protect the NHS that sealed what I already knew we shielded to protect ourselves but we were shielded/hidden away for the NHS I’m not sure why I found that depressing but I did, but in return I expect Covidiots to be sensible for everyone as well. We were asked to make sacrifices to save lives and many of us did but the response from many is ill do what I like it’s just a flu really
Mally2020 · 07/01/2021 02:23

I'm currently living on my own in london finishing my higher degree and working as a vaccinator, despite mself being asthmatic duty and finances call. My partner is up in Yorkshire on a chef training scheme thats on hold due to covid, I'm so sad to be apart from him but I'm doing this to increase my wage capabilities to buy a house and likewise for him. it's our five year anniversary this year and I will hopefully see him, making small hints for an engagement ring but we will see lol

Mally2020 · 07/01/2021 02:26

before moving we both shielded until october and now with him being on furlough he hasn't been out, has been getting shopping deliveries etc.

MarieVanGoethem · 07/01/2021 02:26

@bloodywhitecat
Alf is A Very Handsome Dog. He must need a fair bit of exercise as a Springer/Kerry Blue cross - & I bet he adores His Humans. (When I was wee I thought Springer Spaniels were thus named because they’re such leapy-bouncy creatures. Friends of my parents owned one whose greatest joy in life, it seemed to me, was attempting to bounce me - after the fashion of Tigger - & then lick me to death. Obviously she was never left alone with us, but she was - bar the exuberant greetings - incredibly gentle with children, who she seemed to think [no idea who trained her using Peter Pan Hmm...] were hers to mind.)

@Poppystars
Thank you Smile am a wee bit worried that with everything being so over-stretched now I’m going to be left waiting until Who Knows When as obviously the Unit has to prioritise dialysis patients & capacity reduction is likely if staff have to be reassigned to Covid Wards. Will just have to hope.
It must be difficult to make the decision about your littlest one & nursery - all very well the government saying it’s safe, but they’re not really taking shielders into account so it doesn’t help with the decision-making. I hope you can all settle into the new homeschool + WFH routine in the happiest & least stressful way possible soon; ideally including getting out for some exercise if you feel you can do that safely. People are only meant to be going out to exercise once a day & shouldn’t be in great gaggles, so if you’re semi-rural hopefully you’ll be able to find a time & place you feel safe.

Anewuser · 07/01/2021 04:40

Lockdown one, after my treatment in April we didn't leave the house for over 100 days - then I stopped counting! We cancelled carers coming into the house for our son and got shopping and prescriptions delivered.

This time round, although we've stopped carers again, I am going out for a walk late most evenings. I don't see anyone then but still feel like I'm in control a little.

I've not been in school since October and although that was unpaid leave, now we're lockdown again and I've sent them my shielding letter, I'm getting paid again. Just as well, schools are closed but with just keyworker and vulnerable children in there are 20 children in each class so all staff are in. Teachers are doing remote learning and TAs are covering classes. That obviously means no social distancing at school and huge likelihood of transmission. Current infection rates are 900 in 100,000. Bubbles were bursting before and over christmas. Grateful not to be there.

Hopefully we really are only weeks away from at least getting my adult son vaccinated then I can finally breathe. Feels like I've been holding my breath for nearly a year now.

FlatteredRhubardFool · 07/01/2021 09:55

Is anyone here a single parent with children going between two homes? My dc are court ordered to have contact with their dad snd I'm very worried as he works at the hospital where covid is rife. He isn't keeping to the rules either and is mixing with many, not getting the dc to wear masks, out and about as normal really.

Passthewinebottle · 07/01/2021 11:16

Hi all, I hope everyone is doing OK. My DH is CEV (interstitial lung disease), and has ignored the last 2 shielding letters as it did say clearly it was guidance, and it is easy for him to keep distanced at work (commercial electrician). Boris mentioned new shielding letters, has anyone had one yet? His employer is asking for one to be able to furlough him... Thanks!

FlatteredRhubardFool · 07/01/2021 12:03

I've not had the latest letter yet. I'm wondering why it's taking so long as previous ones have been emailed out quickly. Surely it's just a quick copy paste and edit job??

Passthewinebottle · 07/01/2021 12:38

@FlatteredRhubardFool

I've not had the latest letter yet. I'm wondering why it's taking so long as previous ones have been emailed out quickly. Surely it's just a quick copy paste and edit job??
Thanks Flattered. You'd think so hey? I assum the wording will be similar to the first letter, a little stronger than the two that followed...
Anewuser · 07/01/2021 13:11

I'd like to say I'm surprised we haven't received anything yet but I'm not. I'm convinced it's because we were told the lockdown is until February half term but then yesterday when they made it law, they've set the date at 31st March. They're probably still deciding.

Egghead68 · 07/01/2021 13:24

Yes not had letter and I need it for work.

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Madhairday · 07/01/2021 15:06

No letter here yet either.

bloodywhitecat · 07/01/2021 15:19

@FlatteredRhubardFool

Is anyone here a single parent with children going between two homes? My dc are court ordered to have contact with their dad snd I'm very worried as he works at the hospital where covid is rife. He isn't keeping to the rules either and is mixing with many, not getting the dc to wear masks, out and about as normal really.
No but I am a foster parent to a baby with court ordered contact with both parents and his siblings who are with two different sets of grandparents. It's a worrying time isn't it? We have said no to face-to-face this week as one parent is displaying symptoms, one is 'poorly' and we feel that seeing siblings who have been in contact with both parents is too risky for DP.

Springier isn't an official term, it's just a name we've given the hellhound because he is as springy as Springers come. He is beautiful (he's part of an accidental litter of 13 puppies born in rescue to a very young mum who pretty much rejected them) but he is very lively out of the house, indoors he is much more settled now he's passed the worse stage of puppyhood.

bloodywhitecat · 07/01/2021 15:24

@FlatteredRhubardFool Meant to say we are offering video contact instead, could that be an option?

FlatteredRhubardFool · 07/01/2021 16:09

Yes, I've offered twice weekly video calls and they can message whenever as they are 12 and 14 so I leave them to it. He's an abusive arse so I dread any interruptions to contact as such a worrying time all round and now the pressure of having all the children with me 24/7 and homeschooling is stressful

MarieVanGoethem · 07/01/2021 16:57

They’ve only just updated the guidance online & emails have been anything up to a day or two after they do that (IIRC), so it might be a while yet - if we’re lucky it’ll be this evening though (& I hope it is for everyone who needs them for work).

TheHobbitMum · 07/01/2021 17:10

Hi everyone, I couldn't find the old thread so thank you for this. I've had an emailed version of the latter but there is a pi k on the gov.uk site where you can have a shielding letter emailed if you need one :)
www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/shielding-note/

TOWGA · 07/01/2021 17:16

I have just been told I'm at risk from redundancy, defiantly cried on the phone when they told me, I'm pregnant and shielding due to a heart condition and pregnancy!

MarieVanGoethem · 07/01/2021 18:39

Oh @TOWGA, I’m so sorry! I think - though obviously IANAL - this would constitute pregnancy/maternity discrimination because you’re being treated unfavourably due to a health issue directly related to your pregnancy. Employers have to be so insanely careful when it comes to this stuff - “but we’re binning off lots of people” isn’t actually generally accepted as I understand it; ditto “they’re the one that’s not here now so they have to go” Hmm
There’s advice in that link about Next Steps; & I hope you can get things resolved with as little stress as possible (what with things being quite stressful enough just now so...).

TheHobbitMum · 07/01/2021 18:56

Oh no @TOWGA would be covered under maternity protection?

I've just had an updated shielding latter emailed and it's now until 21st Feb (it was 1st Feb on my 1st letter), just let work know so hopefully they'll be fine still

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