How can Ann Sacolas live with her actions?

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Fell so dreadfully sorry for Harry Dunn's family. The high court has ruled that Ann Sacolas DID have diplomatic immunity. She did not work at the base. She drove on the wrong side of the road. She caused Harry's death. She has not taken responsibility for her actions. How would she feel if it had been her child killed?

She has to look at herself in the mirror every day. I believe her child was in the car at the time of the accident - her children have to look at her in the face. Her husband, family and friends - they all know what happened and that she ran away.

I agree that if it had been in the US - Trump would have been threatening nuclear strikes on the country of the driver.

She has to "look herself in the mirror" over the death but not about "refusing" to return. I honestly don't think she has a choice there, the Americans wouldn't allow it. The vitriol over that is aimed in the wrong place.

Near where I live a child was run over on a straight, empty road by a drunk driver, returning from a day in the pub in the early evening. The driver then went home for a kip.

After police and the parents searched all night the child was found the next day, hidden in a ditch, having probably died in the early hours of the morning.

A day later, once his blood stream was nice and clear, the bloke reported the accident, saying he'd clipped a bike and thought the child was fine.

No one could prove he pushed the kid and the bike into that ditch. No one could prove the kid would have lived if he'd called an ambulance. No one could prove he was drunk, or even that his driving was careless. He got a suspended sentance for leaving the scene of an accident.

Some people can live with horrible choices if it serves their self interest. Lawyer's advice is not an excuse. It's not a witch hunt to say AS is a piece of shit and people who think 'others' would do the same should examine their conscience.

I honestly don't think she has a choice there, the Americans wouldn't allow it.

How would anyone stop her?

Why would the US government complain about a diplomatic snaffu being resolved. They will protect her but they aren't going to stop her doing the right thing.

@donquixotedelamancha For purposes of national security, they will absolutely stop her and do so easily. Her attempt to return would also be subject to prosecution. Her returning would very much NOT resolve the diplomatic issue, as then the US look like even the child killer did the right thing when they wouldn’t; and sets precedent that their legal arguments were incorrect as only a state can waive immunity. When you’ve made a decision, you have to stick with it. Now she’s gone, this won’t be resolved.

For purposes of national security, they will absolutely stop her and do so easily. Her attempt to return would also be subject to prosecution.

How would they stop her?

Do you mean she would be prosecuted by the US? On what charge?

I don't think she is free to return. Whether she wants to or not we will never know.

She's a disgrace, but why does diplomatic immunity exist. It's surely going to be addressed at some point, much in the same way the catholic church was recently found to be hiding behind outdated inhumane practices that allowed the cover up of child abuse.

As I understand it she did initially co-operate with police and then the Americans arranged for her to return at very short notice. They don't want her in the British courts, so she won't be going through the British courts, regardless of what her preference is. Of course the US government can prevent her "doing the right thing" , as @sergeilavrov explains.

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She's a disgrace, but why does diplomatic immunity exist. It's surely going to be addressed at some point, much in the same way the catholic church was recently found to be hiding behind outdated inhumane practices that allowed the cover up of child abuse.

Because if it didn't exist, you'd have diplomats arrested all over the place on trumped up charges.

@donquixotedelamancha Lots of options. If she really kept trying to escape, given the Interpol red notice, they could authorise her indefinite detention in a military facility (and thus keep her able to work if they wanted) under the NDAA. Could also get her on an NDA disclosure, because everyone does, and then wrap her round in legal problems for decades thus preventing her leaving. On either extreme, and the countless options in between - her passport would be taken, and monitoring organised such that she can’t get hold of her alternatives.

Not sure if there’s another thread on the current decision but the Biden presidency has also confirmed the decision is final. She won’t be extradited back to the UK.

@Hearwego

Not sure if there’s another thread on the current decision but the Biden presidency has also confirmed the decision is final. She won’t be extradited back to the UK.

Disgraceful

I suspect that there was a far bigger back story here than will ever be made public.

I feel the hugest sympathy for the Dunn family. How they live with this is beyond comprehension. They have shown nothing but dignity in it all. To lose a child in such horrific circumstances and have no chance of any peace of mind afterwards? My worst nightmare.

The Biden administration I meant. Below is a link but it was also reported on the BBC news scroll yesterday.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/13877923/joe-biden-extradite-harry-dunn-anne-sacoolas/amp/