How can Ann Sacolas live with her actions?

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Fell so dreadfully sorry for Harry Dunn's family. The high court has ruled that Ann Sacolas DID have diplomatic immunity. She did not work at the base. She drove on the wrong side of the road. She caused Harry's death. She has not taken responsibility for her actions. How would she feel if it had been her child killed?

Of course what happened isn't right. But would you all really go to prison if you had another choice?

That leaves what to do with Sacoolas. The best thing is to give her so much media attention, that she can’t do her nice little job at Langley because she can’t keep out of the spotlight. Report every Langley leak, link it to her, every ‘accomplishment’, every friendly meeting she has with her biggest fan - Trump. The media should burn her

What a disgusting thing to say.

@MoiraRoseismyStyleIcon she was charged with Death by Dangerous Driving, she then fled, a meeting at the Whitehouse for press exposure for Trump is not acceptable under UK Law, it was not an accident, she killed a young boy for not paying due care and attention whilst in charge of a motor vehicle.

@MoiraRoseismyStyleIcon Uh, why is that disgusting? This is a workable tactic that avoids diplomatic tension while also ensuring some small whisper of justice that she can’t just go back to her promotion at the CIA, running covert ops in Eurasia. Unless... is that you Anne?

@Derelictwreck

Of course what happened isn't right. But would you all really go to prison if you had another choice?

For the length of stay she was likely to get? Yes. Absolutely. Not the slightest doubt in my mind. It isn't the dungeon of a medieval castle we are talking about. And when you think about it; it isn't even prison she was likely to face, but a fine or suspended sentence, then even more so, yes, of course. People are being too black and white as I said. As if, if it isn't immunity, it's instant prison sentence. Which isn't very likely, but which I personally think would be fair. But the justice system isn't always fair, as we know. She should still have to go through the justice system though. The Dunns have asked her to as grieving parents. It is utterly shocking that anyone would refuse. Really. BUT, there may be something else going on.

@PabloHoneyBee

I do wonder if there could be more to this. Otherwise, yes, why were they so keen for her not to stay and get, yeah, a slap on the wrist and probably not a lot more said about it? No media attention etc.

But, if it's espionage or something like that, then why is BJ asking for her to be extradited back here? The Americans saying "Bojo, hush hush, but it's an issue of international security" and I can only imagine BJ saying "ah say no more wink wink" and it all being hushed up. (I'm sure that is EXACTLY how they converse btw..not really).

It could just have been a massive overreaction and but of willy waving from a POTUS who sort of has form for being irrational...

We'll never know probably. Speculating on here might end up with the thread being zapped as well.

I think she was here spying and her name was left off the Immunity list for that reason. I do not believe for one minute that she is a monster, her dc was in the front passenger seat and clearly witnessed the whole thing, that alone she will have to deal with just from her own child's trauma witnessing this. I genuinely think she is remorseful, she did not flee the scene as some posters think, she stayed with Harry until the Emergency Services arrived, I do think she had no say in going back to the US, and since then everything has been took out of her hands. However she now has an Interpol Red Notice issue meaning she will be arrested as soon as she leaves the US.

@Derelictwreck

Of course what happened isn't right. But would you all really go to prison if you had another choice?

Justice isn’t, or shouldn’t be a choice. She’s unlikely to have been imprisoned.

Are you really saying that you’d run away from justice, too? Shame on you, if so.

Sacoolas must be hard as nails to believe she can simply walk away

We don't know that she does believe that. I think the was put in an impossible position when her government told her to come back, given that if she refused her family would suffer for it. I agree that the likelihood is that she will never, never walk away from this in her head.

The amount of people on this thread saying that it was an accident and they'd run away as well is really disconcerting.

Don't you think it was an accident, @NiceGerbil? If so, why?

It’ll be nothing compared to how the Dunn family are feeling having lost their child in tragic circumstances.

But it's still nothing compared to what the Dunn family is suffering even if she goes to prison. There is nothing we can do that will reverse that or would be comparable short of the death penalty, which is obviously totally inappropriate.

However she now has an Interpol Red Notice issue meaning she will be arrested as soon as she leaves the US.

And brought to the UK to face trial for maybe a slap on the wrist you mean? Not tortured and humiliated in some hell hole like the American army did to some of their prisoners not too long ago.

It is weird, if she is a high ranking US spy though, that BJ is asking for her return to the UK and Interpol are prepared to arrest her. Nobody on here is likely to know tbh. Whatever it is, they've made a fucking mess of it and the Dunn family are collateral damage.

I'm so angry about this!

She deserves so much more media attention than she's getting. She is behaving as though she is above the law, such an insult to Harry's family. I hope one day they get justice on his behalf.

Seriously can't believe some of the "Poor Anne must be suffering" comments, FFS.

@MoonJelly

It’ll be nothing compared to how the Dunn family are feeling having lost their child in tragic circumstances.

But it's still nothing compared to what the Dunn family is suffering even if she goes to prison. There is nothing we can do that will reverse that or would be comparable short of the death penalty, which is obviously totally inappropriate.

How would the death penalty make things better? Bloody weird thing to even think of.

Justice doesn't mean an eye for an eye. But appropriate justice is still desirable.

By your logic, victims should never want criminals go to prison. A thief should just have something stolen from, a rapist...well yes and so on.

People generally want criminals to face justice, not so that they can suffer exactly the same as they have. Prison isn't just punitive. It is for the safety of society and also reformation for the prisoner.

@PeskyPurdy because she is “above the law” per US immunity rules, which is something for the Govt. to look at going forward, including how they use similar rules abroad

[quote lurker101]@PeskyPurdy because she is “above the law” per US immunity rules, which is something for the Govt. to look at going forward, including how they use similar rules abroad[/quote]
Isn't that up for debate though? I thought they were mistaken when they said she was immune and rushed her out of the country at break neck speed.

Unless it's all to do with security and espionage, in which case shouldn't the UK government and Interpol be backing the states?

At least, there was some idea that they were mistaken. Something to do with her husband's job not falling in the right category as he is IT or something.

@PabloHoneyBee, your message is entirely misdirected because you haven't bothered to read mine properly.

I didn't say the death penalty would make things better and I specifically said it would obviously be totally inappropriate. The reference to it related to what would be comparable.

@PabloHoneyBee it’s possible, I haven’t followed the story very closely to be honest

I bothered to read your post Moon. Perhaps I wasn't very clear.

What I should have said then was:

Nobody on here implied that the punishment for AS has to be comparable to what the Dunn family has suffered. I think the poster you were initially responding to was merely expressing their surprise at the outpouring of sympathy for AS on here, when the Dunn family has clearly suffered, (made worse by her refusing to return), far more than she ever would have if she had stayed here and gone to court. Even without her country's backing.

That, in no way means that the punishment needs to be directly comparable to what the victim has suffered.

Hope that makes a little more sense .

[quote lurker101]@PabloHoneyBee it’s possible, I haven’t followed the story very closely to be honest[/quote]
Latest ruling says she had immunity, but it seems to be ongoing. The case for saying she did not have immunity definitely isn't TOTAL nonsense. So I'd say it was debatable.

If someone offered you the choice-
A) Stay, get a criminal record for death by dangerous driving, possibly prison
or
B) Leave now, go home and don’t return.

This.

Honestly? B I'm afraid.

I also assume she has been advised not to say sorry by legal bods.

No help to him or his poor family of course.

I agree. To know you have taken a young man's life and left his family devastated and refuse to take full responsibility for your actions, instead running away and hiding. What a pathetic, cowardly person she is. I hope it haunts her days for ever. I suspect, however, she mostly feels sorry for herself.

I didn't realise that they drive on the other side of the road In that base. That's fucking mental! I'm surprised an accident hasn't happened sooner, I would actually not drive at all In that situation as no way could my "auto driving mode" switch over at the gate. I specifically have never driven on holiday for this reason as my driving brain is programmed to the left side only.

Forgive my naivety - is this standard for bases all over the world?

I think the poster you were initially responding to was merely expressing their surprise at the outpouring of sympathy for AS on here, when the Dunn family has clearly suffered, (made worse by her refusing to return), far more than she ever would have if she had stayed here and gone to court.

I was that poster and yes, you're absolutely right. Some very misplaced sympathy on this thread. I imagine that if I were in AS's position I'd have done all I could to make amends: go to police, face consequences, apologies to the Dunn family, donation towards funeral or a cause that was in their interests. All that may have served to help them feel a little better; at least, justice would have been served.
AS did none of those. If she feels bad I have no sympathy.

Of course nothing will take away the Dunns' grief, but as they've been very actively seeking justice since the accident, it's reasonable to presume they'd find some satisfaction and closure should they actually see it come to pass.

I hope she struggles with it and it haunts her thoughts day and night for the rest of her life. I hope as her life draws to a close she is thinking about what she did and bitterly regretting running away from justice.