You know the king in the kings speech ? Was he the queens dad ?

[Lardlizard]

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@CassandraCross

I always thought Henry VIII would have felt right at home in GoT!

Apparently, GRR Martin based much of Game of Thrones on the Wars of the Roses. When Henry VIII's mother married Henry VII it brought about an end to the wars.

When Her Majesty ascended the Throne back in 1952, she became known as ‘Queen Elizabeth II’. However, some of her subjects in Scotland considered her to be Queen Elizabeth I, considering that the original Elizabeth I had never ruled over Scotland. The fact that Her Majesty was considered their second Queen Elizabeth was somewhat unacceptable to many Scots.

In Scotland, we don't have Elizabeth 2R on the postboxes, since they were continually being defaced, vandalized and even blown up with explosives by unhappy people, and now our postboxes just have the crown without the number.

Apparently, GRR Martin based much of Game of Thrones on the Wars of the Roses. When Henry VIII's mother married Henry VII it brought about an end to the wars.

Although the main event was Richard III being killed on the battlefield. No challengers to Henry VII after that.

There was no rule or law against the name Albert for a king. Quite the contrary. Victoria wanted her son to reign as King Albert Edward. And she likely wanted her grandson (who died before he could be Prince of Wales or King) to reign as King Albert Victor. That "Albert" was the first name given to both of them was very intentional.

Yes I can see the inspiration from Wars of the Roses and their aftermath for GoT, he also seems to have taken inspiration from some of Shakespeare's plays. Still think Henry VIII would have been at home with all the head lopping and burning.

Queen Victoria liked as many if her family as possible to have the names Victor Albert or Albert Victor. It makes life very confusing. And that's nothing as to the number of Victoria's.....

Queen Victoria whose mother was Victoria had a daughter Victoria who had a daughter Victoria. The brother of the youngest Victoria had a daughter Victoria. Meanwhile the daughter of Victoria, Victoria the Queen had a son who had a daughter Victoria. And then Alice, daughter of Victoria had a daughter Victoria as did Beatrice and Alfred. If you said 'Victoria' at a family event around twenty women could answer you.....

Queen Victoria liked as many if her family as possible to have the names Victor Albert or Albert Victor.

Not to mention many locales around the world, including an entire province of Canada. (Alberta, actually named for Victoria's daughter Princess Louise, one of whose names was Alberta after her father).

Fun fact: the practice lives on in Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden, who was named for an ancestor who was named for Victoria the Princess Royal who was named for her mother Queen Victoria.

@CassandraCross

I always thought Henry VIII would have felt right at home in GoT!

It’s based on the war of the roses... so I mean, he comes right after that...

Inspired by this thread I’ve just been dragged down the rabbit hole of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, have then followed on into a realm of articles about other people and still can’t quite grasp exactly how they’re related to the Queen?

@ComtesseDeSpair

Inspired by this thread I’ve just been dragged down the rabbit hole of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, have then followed on into a realm of articles about other people and still can’t quite grasp exactly how they’re related to the Queen?

Isn’t Prince Michael the son of the queen’s father’s younger brother? So is the queen’s first cousin, and also a more distant relation of Prince Philip? I think PM’s mother was from the Greek royal family.

@wowfudge

Regnal names are usually chosen so as to have positive associations or at least no negative ones. I think it is thought that Prince Charles is not likely to be King Charles because of his predecessors of that name.

That, and the big eared dogs

Really interesting thread. Thanks Lardlizard

I think it is thought that Prince Charles is not likely to be King Charles because of his predecessors of that name

So of his other names - Phillip Arthur George iirc (I think they're engraved on my mind after poor Lady Di as she still just was at that point making a hash of the order) - Phillip is too much Prince Phillip and there have surely been enough Georges so why not Arthur? We could do with one...

It's interesting that the Queen and the DofE chose Charles as a first name and I'm trying to think of other royals who had that name in recent times and who he might have been named after. I think there was a grandson of Queen Victoria called Charles but can't think if any others.

@ErrolTheDragon

I think it is thought that Prince Charles is not likely to be King Charles because of his predecessors of that name

So of his other names - Phillip Arthur George iirc (I think they're engraved on my mind after poor Lady Di as she still just was at that point making a hash of the order) - Phillip is too much Prince Phillip and there have surely been enough Georges so why not Arthur? We could do with one...

Honestly, I think King Arthur would be a pretty hefty set of mythological expectations to set on the shoulders of a man who will be in his seventies when he becomes king, and who's been the longest-serving and oldest heir-apparent in British history, and who's probably best known for some ill-handled attempts to intervene in government policy and a well-publicised extramarital affair! Not to mention following a long-lived and widely-loved monarch, and to be followed by a son who has been vocal about the difficulties of the role, with many people think (and hoping, in my case) that the end of the current queen's reign will signal the end of the monarchy.

I think he'll opt for something reassuringly suggestive of continuity -- because the queen's death will inevitably come as a huge break.

Yes, my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I suggested that.

Tbh I'm not sure how using anything other than Charles would go down. He's been a public figure under that name for so long, much more public than many of his predecessors. Symbolically... well, the name could be said to represent our national ambivalence towards monarchy, we could get rid but decided not to. 'restoration', especially re theatres etc may be needed again.

@TurquoiseDragon

Apparently, GRR Martin based much of Game of Thrones on the Wars of the Roses. When Henry VIII's mother married Henry VII it brought about an end to the wars.

Although the main event was Richard III being killed on the battlefield. No challengers to Henry VII after that.

Actually he had plenty of challenges. Lambert Simmnel and Perkin Warbeck etc. Also, the Earl of Warwick and all the surviving Plantagenets. Henry VII could never rest easily on his throne.

Fair enough. I did have an amusing vision of 'Charles' head stuck onto some weightlifter's body pulling Excalibur out of a handy rock outside Westminster Abbey' gif.

He probably will use Charles. And hope his subjects are historically illiterate enough to be vague about Charles I, Cromwell, the civil war, treason, execution etc -- not to mention the 'Merry Monarch's twelve illegitimate children by various mistresses, the fact that he sold Dunkirk to the king of France, or his deathbed conversion to Catholicism etc.

Once you go down the line of Kings' names, are there any that don't have negative associations somewhere? John, Edward II, Richard III (?), Henry VIII, James I, Charles I, George III (not his fault), George IV, William I etc. And only about two who didn't have mistresses.

@HilaryThorpe

Once you go down the line of Kings' names, are there any that don't have negative associations somewhere? John, Edward II, Richard III (?), Henry VIII, James I, Charles I, George III (not his fault), George IV, William I etc. And only about two who didn't have mistresses.

Maybe a return to Aethelred, Eadwig and Athelstan?

Hm, tricky.
Alfred (so long as you leave out his baking skills)?
Edmund? About whom I know very little except that he was buried.
Edgar?

@ComtesseDeSpair

Inspired by this thread I’ve just been dragged down the rabbit hole of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, have then followed on into a realm of articles about other people and still can’t quite grasp exactly how they’re related to the Queen?

Prince Michael of Kent is the son of a cousin of the Queen, but weirdly somehow I think PMOK is also a cousin to the Queen

PMOK father is also some sort of cousin to Prince Phillip.

Why did you start a thread to ask a question that Google could have answered into seconds? confused

Because you dont get the interesting discussion when the questions been answered?

Who cares. I knew the answer but I'm also finding the replies interesting.

Why did you bother replying?

It was Michael of Kent's mother Princess Marina who was Prince Philip's cousin. (Greek royal family).