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You know the king in the kings speech ? Was he the queens dad ?

164 replies

Lardlizard · 17/11/2020 12:43

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TwentyViginti · 17/11/2020 14:03

@BashfulClam

Albert was considered ‘too Germanic’ so although those close to him called him Bertie he used his middle name. He was never meant to be king so his name had never mattered too much.
Albert became a popular name in the UK in the later 19th/early 20th century for all 'classes' but Victoria not so much.
SenecaFallsRedux · 17/11/2020 14:04

Diana was not a princess in her own right. Technically she should not be referred to as Princess Diana, but as Diana, Princess of Wales.

TwentyViginti · 17/11/2020 14:06

Wasnt she a princess by dint of being married to a future king, rather than the monarchs cousin?

That is probably the reason!

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NameChange215 · 17/11/2020 14:08

@AllAboutHallowsEve

Little known fact: The Queen's real name is Brenda.
Probably found this a lot funnier than it was Grin
TwentyViginti · 17/11/2020 14:09

Diana, Princess of Wales, yes. Princess Diana was not such a mouthful to use by the public!

BalloonSlayer · 17/11/2020 14:11

Edward VII was called Albert too.

Apparently Queen Victoria decreed that all eldest sons were to be called Albert in memory of Prince Albert. But no one wanted to be King Albert and after a while the name dropped further down the list in royal babies, eg becoming the second middle name.

SenecaFallsRedux · 17/11/2020 14:16

Edward VII was called Albert too. And nicknamed Bertie.

He was named Albert Edward (for his father and for Victoria's father), and Victoria and Albert expected him to reign as King Albert Edward, thus preserving Albert's name in the history of monarchs. But Bertie had other ideas and chose to be Edward VII.

CassandraCross · 17/11/2020 14:20

Edward VIII was known as David to all his family even though that was his seventh name, Edward being his first. One if his names was Christian, King Christian I would have been interesting!

I don't think Charles, William or George will alter their names when they become King. Agree with another poster that there is more than enough distance between the previous Kings with that name in the case of Charles and he has been known as Charles by the public for so long it would seem odd to rule under another name.

HollyandIvyandallthingsYule · 17/11/2020 14:29

My fun fact (which is actually true 😉):

Edward VIII was christened Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David. Quite a mouthful!

The Kings of Denmark traditionally alternate, in Regnal names, between Frederik and Christian. As Queen Margrethe’s father was named Frederik, she counted herself as having been in the place of Christian, which is why her son is named Frederik (and his son, Christian).

SenecaFallsRedux · 17/11/2020 14:31

Edward VIII was known as David to all his family even though that was his seventh name

But he was known officially as Prince Edward from birth, so he did take the regnal name by which he had been known. His last four names were for the patron saints of the four countries of the UK; calling him David in the family being particularly appropriate for a future Prince of Wales.

HollyandIvyandallthingsYule · 17/11/2020 14:33

Mind you I think they all used/use their given name, if you like, as their regnal name as well! Not sure though, I’d have to look back at the family tree.

CassandraCross · 17/11/2020 14:38

@SenecaFallsRedux

Also William has the Scotland problem. His regnal number in England would be V; in Scotland it would be III.
We had James I of England and VI of Scotland, also isn't Queen Elizabeth II technically Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland?

William could go for Arthur, Phillip or Louis out of his given names if he wanted.

asifiwould · 17/11/2020 14:39

I am sure I have read somewhere that Princess Michael of Kent chooses to be called by her husband's first name in her title because that is the only way that she can be given the title princess. If she was called by her own name - Marie Christine - then she would not be entitled to the 'princess' part as she was not born the daughter or granddaughter of the monarch.

I could be wrong!

borageforager · 17/11/2020 14:45

@HollyandIvyandallthingsYule

My fun fact (which is actually true 😉):

Edward VIII was christened Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David. Quite a mouthful!

The Kings of Denmark traditionally alternate, in Regnal names, between Frederik and Christian. As Queen Margrethe’s father was named Frederik, she counted herself as having been in the place of Christian, which is why her son is named Frederik (and his son, Christian).

It’s amazing they had any names left for their second son Grin
Peregrina · 17/11/2020 14:51

I thought that re the Scottish vs English business, they had decided to go for the highest number - so another King James would be James VII. Not that this seems very likely - for all that the Royal Family likes to make much of its Scottish connections, they don't seem to go for names used by Scottish kings of old. Imagine a Prince Malcolm for example, or a Prince Kenneth.

HollyandIvyandallthingsYule · 17/11/2020 14:58

@borageforager 😆

HilaryThorpe · 17/11/2020 15:00

The playing fields are named after George V, the Queen's grandfather.

TwentyViginti · 17/11/2020 15:02

isn't Queen Elizabeth II technically Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland?

The Queen's full title is Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

So Scotland will be under the United Kingdom bit.

TwentyViginti · 17/11/2020 15:03

James the first and sixth.

SenecaFallsRedux · 17/11/2020 15:13

they had decided to go for the highest number - so another King James would be James VII

I don't think that's necessarily official. It was a suggestion first made when Elizabeth came to the throne.

The Queen's full title is Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

But you don't actually see the Second or II much in Scotland. For example, the post boxes don't have ER II; they have the crown of Scotland.

Xiaoxiong · 17/11/2020 15:17

I wish they'd add some of the Cornish kings or saints in there. I'd love Charles or William to choose Caradoc or Piran or Gerran as his regnal name. Or maybe something really out there like Conan Meriadoc.

ShallICompareTheeToASummersDay · 17/11/2020 15:27

The irony in changing from the Germanic Albert to the British George. Given George I was actually Georg and couldn’t speak a word of English!

wowfudge · 17/11/2020 15:31

Changing times!

I thought Diana, Princess of Wales was the title agreed for Princess Di after she divorced.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 17/11/2020 15:32

@ThomasHardyPerennial

Is Google broken today?
😂
TwentyViginti · 17/11/2020 15:34

@ShallICompareTheeToASummersDay

The irony in changing from the Germanic Albert to the British George. Given George I was actually Georg and couldn’t speak a word of English!
Grin