Kamala Harris..

[Movingonup67]

What is your opinion of her?

and look forward to seeing further flaws

You're actively looking forward to her failing before she's even started, hoping she's got a few "more flaws" there?

Well, that's lovely innit

MrsWooster It’s not trans rights, per se- trans rights are human rights; it’s the removal of sex based rights which protect specific groups, in favour of ‘gender based’ rights which protect whoever decides they fancy them.

I know, right? It’s amazing how some people need this to be spelled out to them.

@Rousette

Exactly, so a good move for women there - to actively have women there too is a good move

Rousette, with Kamala’s background that room will be half-full of men self-identifying as women.

@Fishlegs

Let me guess. You don’t like her but just can’t quite put your finger on why...?

I'm waiting for the comments about her hair, fake smile and pricing up her wardrobe.

Oh don't be ridiculous

@CoronaBollox

Move over MM...

I know right? I'm going to start keeping track of the sly digs and constant nitpicking or undermining.

Bellevu Yes so agree. Especially if it's anything to go by with the Daily Telegraph who talked about her make up and nails FFS

Your first post on a parenting website is about a woman of colour and how 'dangerous' her ideas might be?

@SteppedOnBloodyLego

The biggest eye roll ever if that's all you can take away from @Rousette's comment
Just

@Roussette

Bellevu Yes so agree. Especially if it's anything to go by with the Daily Telegraph who talked about her make up and nails FFS

I saw that article on Twitter! I read it like I mean, everyone else going with her achievements, first woman vice president, first woman of colour/black, and they go with what make up she uses. FFS

Quaagars Can't type properly because my eyes have rolled so much, they're having trouble focussing!

In a televised interview she specifically asked what laws existed that controlled what a man does with his body back in 2018.

People think shes dangerous because she has a brain and she has the confidence to use it.

I know right? I'm going to start keeping track of the sly digs and constant nitpicking or undermining.

So no-one ever made warranted or unwarranted comments about Trump? Is no-one allowed to disagree with her or make comments about what she says/believes etc just because of who she chooses to identify as?

I don't know the woman but if I happen to see stuff she says or does and I disagree with it, I should just shut up as otherwise I am clearly a racist? Fuck me.

MN is great in many ways but the refusal to accept transgender women is not.

I am in favour of women only spaces (in fact campaigned against turning all toilets at work into gender neutral toilets). This is massively important to me as I have suffered extreme violence in a DV marriage.But I’m happy for transgender women to use them , they are women.

Totally don’t buy the theory that rapists will suddenly self identify as women will use those spaces .

@tootyfruitypickle, I think that is a bit naïve. To be fair, any trans persons I have met have been genuinely lovely and non threatening but that is simply not the case across the board and is a particular problem in prisons. DS now 19 had a primary class of under 30. 3 of the DC (that I know of) are now transgender, 2 male to female.

archive.news.stv.tv/politics/1439716-concerns-over-housing-trans-inmates-in-women-s-prisons.html

I like her. I don't like the pronouns, but I think her and Biden are trying to bring everyone in the US together. The finer details of that, which they are really to the wider public, are not of too much consequence in the scheme of things. I think the 'me too' movement and 'Black Lives Matter' as a whole are being addressed, and that is more important. I may change my mind on that depending what legislation she tries to bring in re trans. But compared to trump that's just a chink in her armour, if they didn't include younger 'liberal' feminists they wouldn't have got in. She supports reproductive rights and most other feminist issues. You can't agree on everything.

As a role model for young girls I think there is one hurdle. She hasn't got children, and I think when women have children is when the real discrimination sets in. Most of the male politicians at that level do have children. But then again not facing that obstacle is 'balanced out' by her being black, so she had a whole other layer of obstacles to overcome.

So all in all, I'm delighted there's a black woman in the White House, not because she's someone's wife, but because of her own achievements.

I haven't seen much about her, but what an achievement, a big step forward for the US.

Like Biden, she's accused of being 'radical left' when her track record is far more moderate/centre-right and significantly authoritarian, plus she has to deal with accusations of having slept her way into previous positions. I've already seen in other spaces people getting really aggressive when she's compared to Ruby Bridges and similar because of these accusations about her lack of character.

Politically, she'll be better to deal with than Pence, but like the Cornell West quote TheVanguardSix used, she and Biden fight for corporate status quo and I think are unlikely to do much if anything about the shitty things that pre-date Trump. It's a slight shuffle in a better direction, but I don't hold out much hope from either of them for much depth to the systemic changes or the healing that many are already talking about.

It is undoubtedly a great achievement.

Just disappointed, personally, in the woke crap.

Let’s see what they do though! Keeping an open mind as I’m so pleased they won.

I won’t vote for anti women policies here but probably would have done in the US as Trump is so toxic.

@turnitonagain

I know this is sacrilege in the world of MN but with COVID and an orange wannabe fascist running around, the pronouns of the Vice President elect are not priority issues for most Americans.

Unfortunately, the so-called progressive movement in the US and UK think this is of massive importance, hence its prevalence in all institutions; whilst the vast majority of people don't know why they are being asked for pronouns, let alone why they risk being punished if they get someone else's wrong.

The vast majority of gender critical women don't want it to be the priority issue either, but unfortunately, when something as seemingly innocuous as pronouns is used as a Trojan horse for the wholesale rolling back of women's rights to their sex based spaces and to describe their own needs and experiences, then it is a massive problem, and one that will last longer than a single politician crisis, even one as awful as Covid.

She seems great.

My only slight reservation about this situation (not about her) is that she is the second “black” person in the White House and neither of them were of slave descent. Obama had white American mother and black African father. Harris had a Jamaican father and a maternal family of relatively successful Africa-based Asians.

Which is great, but it’s beginning to look a bit conspicuous that African American descended from freed slaves don’t do so well under the US educational and political systems. So much for “any American child can be president”.

@Wondering1215

I don't think Biden will last long. I think he was voted mainly because Trump is a prick.

I think Harris will be president within 4 years. I have no opinion of her either way. All I can hope is that Americans see through her colour and pay attention to her policies etc.

I'm sick of people getting votes because melanin is involved. I believe many anti-Trump and pro-black voters voted for Biden/Harris based on his association with Obama and her being black. Let's be honest, Biden would not have won had Harris not been 'black'.

I say this is a mixed race woman. Its my opinion.

Biden has a history of supporting black people. As far back as 1973 he made a speech asking why was America supporting the South African government when they should instead be supporting South Africans who are majority black.

I had no real opinion except he must be better than trump. But based on that comment I like him. Seems to stand up for what’s right rather than popular.

I'm very impressed so far.
Biden/Harris are a breath of fresh air after the foul stench of Trump we've had for the last 4/5 years.

Having said that though - just read the other thread- I wonder how it’ll pan out for women’s arc based rights.
Nothings ever straight forward!