Johnny Depp leaves Fantastic Beasts franchise

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In a letter to fans, Depp said he had been "asked to resign" from his role as Gellert Grindelwald and had "respected that and agreed to that request".

Good.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54846285

@FrippEnos

Thewithesarehere

I didn’t really imagine courts will consider this on a scale

You were the one that brought scale into this so why the shrug?

That is a sodding typo I meant to say ‘courts will not..’.

If she beat him and admitted it then she deserves to lose her role too we can't say violence against women is wrong but against men its acceptable because they are bigger violence is unacceptable full stop

They are both a bit shite when it comes to acting the only role he plays well is captain Jack sparrow a piss head smart arse anything else and he is like the wardrobe in narnia

For me this is the correct decision, he was violent to his partner so I don’t want to see him in movies

If it is proven she was also, as in not just her abuser saying she was, then I won’t want to see her either.

But right now I don’t believe anything depp says about her because he’s a proven abuser. And seldom do abusers stop at just using their fists, they use their words too and he’d not be the first to try to say it was the woman’s fault, would he now.

@slipperywhensparticus

If she beat him and admitted it then she deserves to lose her role too we can't say violence against women is wrong but against men its acceptable because they are bigger violence is unacceptable full stop

They are both a bit shite when it comes to acting the only role he plays well is captain Jack sparrow a piss head smart arse anything else and he is like the wardrobe in narnia

I truly believe she would probably have been severely damaged or even killed if she hadn’t got the kind of connections she has. There are some really nasty people in Hollywood who are used to getting their way no matter what. Take a look at Tom Hanks’ connections with paedos. There are loads of people you can’t cross without a threat to yourself. It’s a rotten place. I hope the digitalisation of media changes this soon.

[quote Thewithesarehere]@GlummyMcGlummerson
I haven’t watched that movie at all. Just the trailer was unbearable. I used to think he might be fine otherwise because sometimes you can’t refuse a role. But the Rowling saga changed my opinion of him. He jumped on the bandwagon. Used to getting what we can, are we?[/quote]
It was 2 hours I'll never get back. Just awful

Take a look at Tom Hanks’ connections with paedos.

You what now @Thewithesarehere?

I always wonder whether the posters that trot out the ‘both as bad as each other’, ‘the other way around’ lines have ever been in or know anyone who has been in a dv relationship.

It is well documented that in abusive relationships there will be violence on both sides. That does not make the woman any less of a victim. If someone banged your head against a wall 20 times would you not kick them to try and get away once?? Would you not retaliate ever?

Victims aren’t what you want them to be.

@ShowingOut

Take a look at Tom Hanks’ connections with paedos.

You what now @Thewithesarehere?

I think Hollywood is due a huge correction. It is just not possible to get away with the kind of things Epstein and Weinstein types get away with, if you don’t have a whole network supporting you. I do believe that a lot of people know and knew a lot but choose to stay silent and that is how they got to where they got. Check Charlize Theron’s story too.

Good

For a long time JD has lashed out but that’s ok he is cool and a good actor And created a persona and has been surrounded by yes people as so many ride on his coattails

But he for once didn’t get his own way he wasn’t able to buy or charm his way through the court case

People are beginning to see him for what he is a man who has had a lot of luck in his life but is also a man that drinks far too much that takes far too many drugs and has a tendency to lash out

Would anyone defend a man who had a history of heavy drunk and drug use and of lashing out if he was a plumber

Please don't tell me Tom Hanks is a badun

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN

Good

For a long time JD has lashed out but that’s ok he is cool and a good actor And created a persona and has been surrounded by yes people as so many ride on his coattails

But he for once didn’t get his own way he wasn’t able to buy or charm his way through the court case

People are beginning to see him for what he is a man who has had a lot of luck in his life but is also a man that drinks far too much that takes far too many drugs and has a tendency to lash out

Would anyone defend a man who had a history of heavy drunk and drug use and of lashing out if he was a plumber

With the ever-increasing need to maintain an image in this day and age, a lot of these abusers will be dropped like hot potatoes the moment something comes out. And it’s far easier to bring things out now. You just have to press the ‘record’ button. This will eventually lead to a much-needed cleansing. I feel quite hopeful.

Would anyone defend a man who had a history of heavy drunk and drug use and of lashing out if he was a plumber.

Unfortunately I suspect yes. All too frequently an abuser will have a string of 'toxic' ex wives and girlfriends. You see it all the time. "She provoked him" "They're as bad as each other" etc etc.

His money and power undoubted helped him hide from the consequences of his behaviour though.

@JonasKahnwald

Please don't tell me Tom Hanks is a badun

I found a funny video of his reactions to Ricky Gervais’ and read the comments. Then googled the news stories. It is quite fishy, especially considering his history.

SheepandCow

Yes that is true but fame blinds people

Let’s face it having seen videos of him absolutely wasted he is the type of guy You would avoid at a party or be horrified if he was your friends new boyfriend but when he is famous that’s very different he is tortured soul

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN

SheepandCow

Yes that is true but fame blinds people

Let’s face it having seen videos of him absolutely wasted he is the type of guy You would avoid at a party or be horrified if he was your friends new boyfriend but when he is famous that’s very different he is tortured soul

Yes I remember and still cringe on that Graham Norton show. This sort of stuff will never work for millennials so the decision to drop his is mainly a financial decision. People expecting billions from franchises do not do no research. They knew exactly what they were getting and he was great for publicity until he wasn’t.

Actually that's true @ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN
Yes the guy everyone would pretend not to know in 'real life' aka non celeb world!

Money and fame definitely blinds people.

@SheepandCow

Both as bad as each other Be careful... You wouldn't want to commit libel when discussing a libel case...

First, counter allegations are a very well known tactic of abusers. Second, given the details of the many serious incidents of domestic violence, it's likely anything that Amber might have done was self defence or Battered Wife Syndrome.

The Sun article makes it crystal clear. Johnny Depp is a (proven in court) wife beater.

Hahahah

I would imagine JK Rowling had no choice but to support Depp when he was cast - she will likely have a clause in her contract that says she can't say anything that would harm the franchise. It's really common. I imagine she will have done a first pump now he's gone though, although like most people be sorry the violence occured to cause it.

He is a nasty violent drunk who thinks its surreal that he can't charm his way out of what he did.

What I find very sad is that because depp says Amber was abusive some people rush to defend him and negate his violence as justifiable

I really thought we had moved on in understanding domestic violence is not acceptable snd not to believe the words of the violent abuser, when he sought to blame the woman and mitigate his own actions. He also lied about being abusive at the same time. Lied he didn’t do it snd sought to blame her.

But apparently for some people they have not moved forward. The man is a drug addled violent abuser. It doesn’t matter how great an actor you think he is, that’s what he’s proven to be, snd he’s also one following the typical abusers path of basically saying “ she made me do it”

I guess because amber is young, attractive and married rich some folks are envious of her, or think she should just have shut up and taken her beatings, or that she must be to blame for his abuse, because taking the word of a proven dishonest drug addled alcoholic abuser in this scenario is always justifiable right. Sometimes, for some folks it’s always the woman’s fault.

I was always horrified by how many (mostly women) jumped right on the ‘she’s just as bad’ bandwagon.

I thought the general public were more knowledgeable about domestic violence now.

Women aren’t perfect little victims (and for that matter neither are the rare few men who suffer from this). They feel trapped and like most trapped things in fear and pain they will lash out.

They often make a token effort at fighting back to get away, and as abusers are bullies sometimes a well timed strike can actually lessen the beating about to happen.

They can even resort to petty revenge tactics (chilli in the underpants, poo in the bed).

Because sometimes the only power they feel they have is the power to decide when their abuser gets angry. The power to push their buttons sometimes.

They aren’t meek little things who never swear or shout, or that only hide in the corner and take their beating. They are often mentally abused, tormented and angry themselves.

I wish we could get away from this ‘perfect victim’ stereotype being the only worthy victim. Same in rape cases.

Agree, and in addition there is a huge power imbalance between depp and heard. He is or was a really wealthy powerful Hollywood actor. Just look at how many people have rushed to condemn her based on nothing more than his word. A word that’s proven to be dishonest.

It’s the fucking abusers script all day long. Blame her. Lie it wasn’t you. She made me do it guv. And some women are lapping it up, team Johnny they cry, like it’s a competition.

It’s not, he’s a violent abusive addict. Anything else is just the usual obligatory noise to save his own skin.

@Bluntness100

Did you ever read the testimony of her ex-assistant? She testified she was violently raped at knife point in Brazil and had told Amber this story. She was horrified to discover that Amber was going to use the story as her own as an accusation against Depp.

Amber’s testimony was withdrawn and redacted after her assistant had testified.

That speaks volumes to me about Amber Heard and her attitude to sexual assault survivors.

Excellent posts from Bluntness100 and Legooo

Just want to clarify wrt the poo in bed incident. Depp claimed it was Amber but apparently it was actually one of the dogs. I think I'll trust her word over a violent abusive lying drugged up drunk.

I think it makes people feel safer to believe that only completely passive and submissive people can be victims of domestic violence.

They don’t want to acknowledge that an outwardly fiery tempered, confident and even powerful woman could be worn down, trapped and emotionally/sexually/physically abused too.