Page 6 | Help me get some perspective, this morning's news has upset me so much

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Spotthedoggies · 31/10/2020 15:21

Don't worry @Hariboqueen1 I realised that

I honestly don't know what the right thing for the country is, lockdown or not, I recognise how important it is not to overwhelm the hospitals because quite selfishly both I, the baby and our toddler will need them in next few months

But I suppose it's possible to understand something might be necessary but simultaneously feel upset by it if that makes sense? I'd distracted us from the worry of what's coming up and worries about finances by being as busy as possible within the rules and I felt a bit desperate this morning when it was clear the situation was as bleak all round as feared!

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kwest · 31/10/2020 15:28

Aren’t the tiers meant to lock down areas that had increased cases on an area by area basis rather than locking down the whole country? Some parts of the country have few cases. Where is the logic in locking down everyone? Why don’t they carry on with implementing lockdowns using the tiers? It seems the govt are panicking rather with carrying on with a policy that was only announced beginning of October.

Hariboqueen1 · 31/10/2020 15:29

To be honest I feel the same. I can cope with lockdown doesn’t really bother me. Me and my partner aren’t affected workwise but I’m worried for other people and I don’t how the economy can come back from this.

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Spotthedoggies · 31/10/2020 15:30

One thing I will say though is that I think I'd have found this news easier to get my head round at first if announced properly by our prime minister instead of just casually checking the news this morning and finding a lot of speculation

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cuparfull · 31/10/2020 17:45

@FurrySlipperBoots

I still don't understand the overwhelmed hospitals thing when the nightingales were built for that purpose , is it because they don't have staff to work there?

I'm wondering this! Surely people have been training for the past 6 months, so even if we had a shortage of ICU staff in March we wouldn't now?

In spring, all regular operations, investigations, treatments and regular NHS work was put on hold to enable those theatre teams/ anaesthetists/surgeons and general trained doctors were repurposed into surge teams for the Nightingales. Thats where we had the staff from. The present is very different, given the objective is to keep cancer treatments, operations and other essential services open. The cavalier attitude by the many irresponsible people has brought about this scenario. It's simple.... Hands Face Space. No non essential mixing anytime.

To see the students queueing outside a fancy dress shop today on the news just says it all. Tonight they're intent on a party....in Liverpool! Ignoring their lockdown.

jessstan1 · 31/10/2020 23:07

@Spotthedoggies

One thing I will say though is that I think I'd have found this news easier to get my head round at first if announced properly by our prime minister instead of just casually checking the news this morning and finding a lot of speculation

It wasn't until 7pm that it was announced, there was nothing this morning.

It's only a month and it starts on Thursday. You'll manage just like everyone else. We'll have to!

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Spotthedoggies · 01/11/2020 01:46

@jessstan1 Might not have been announced officially but news channels were reporting that exactly what was announced would be announced so learning about it really it had the same effect

Anyway yes, will be fine, feel fine and very grateful etc. Trying to think positive about the surgery and hope for the best and only discussing it on here as we don't talk about it in front of DC (will do much nearer the time when we have a date)

New baby will almost certainly have dubious honour of being a born in lockdown baby!

Thank you all for your comments, the thread has helped in gaining perspective

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FelicisNox · 01/11/2020 18:32

It is shit but honestly I really couldn't care less about Christmas. It's one weekend in an entire year it really isn't the be all and end all if we can only have our immediate family, it just isn't and if any of your parents live alone you can be their support bubble and still see them.

Perspective.

I'm more concerned about families not being able to feed themselves or pay their bills/mortgages or keeping their jobs.

amispeakingenglish · 01/11/2020 18:53

My four 20 something DCs have worked through out, two with permanent jobs, one in a rocky paid internship & one in and industry that has short contracts & has done well to get work when many others in the industry haven't. So paying for furlough people through out, which isn't fair either. Yet the lockdown could ruin the internship one's chances of a job as the business, which is a new venture by a big high st chain, might have to close. So not happy at all. Sick of hearing how those on furlough have been having time to spend with children learn a new craft skill etc... go on holiday!!! I have no income at present & the future looks bleak for the older worker who hasn't got a job and many many young people, I don't think it's worth going into another lockdown, the cost is too great. The virus will run its course. 1918 pandemic took 2 yrs I think, bigger population now so maybe 5? Many of us will have an immunity anyway and if everyone is careful, and mindful of others we wouldn't need a lockdown either. FED UP AND SICK OF WHOLE THING. Maybe those on furlough can not sit at home but volunteer for things, all sorts of things, from helping people to street cleaning and making sure the parks don't get as full of other people rubbish as they did in the previous one, and who left the rubbish, not the regular users!!!

MyWitzEnd · 01/11/2020 18:58

I find the fact that cases and deaths are going up far more upsetting than restaurants bars and cafes are shutting.

Sunnymummy77 · 01/11/2020 19:42

I’m with you OP. It’s really shit. Feel so sad for my young child being stuck inside. The only thing making me feel positive is that I keep reading a vaccine may not be far away.

shockedandsadd · 01/11/2020 20:06

What possible difference will another lockdown make

The point is to ensure hospitals aren’t swamped, so they can continue to treat other life threatening illnesses. I am undergoing cancer treatment at the moment, with the knowledge that If Covid continues as it is, my treatment could be delayed or cancelled which could mean I die, and leave my children without a mother !
I feel for people who are losing there jobs and are struggling financially but am finding g it really hard to feel sympathy for the people who are upset because they can’t go to the pub or meet there mates . If we need to lockdown to ensure the nhs can function then so be it, I think there a lot of people who need to take a long hard look at there priorities and imagine your child or your mum / sister is seriously ill and can’t get treAtment due to a lot of selfish people .

mumwalk · 01/11/2020 20:35

I think the lockdown is not to "save Christmas", but to save us from the actions of those that will ignore all rules over Christmas.

clarehhh · 01/11/2020 21:56

This time there is no meeting in gardens allowed. Can meet one other outside in public place.

sirfredfredgeorge · 01/11/2020 22:22

This time there is no meeting in gardens allowed. Can meet one other outside in public place

Open your garden to the public, you can even charge people to enter, then you can.

karenjkayjay · 01/11/2020 23:42

What news? There’s a lot going on at the moment!

WeSearchedHereWeSearchedThere · 01/11/2020 23:59

@Spotthedoggies But I suppose it's possible to understand something might be necessary but simultaneously feel upset by it if that makes sense? this is 100% a sensible way to feel (or it’s how I feel at any rate). There’s a good thread in Parenting on juggling toddlers and newborns in lockdown, if you want support on that side.

Mamanyt · 02/11/2020 00:03

@RosieLemonade

So upsetting and stressful. I don’t want to save Christmas. I want to save people’s jobs.

SIGH...I'm in the USA, and you guys are doing so much better with all of this than we are. From the top down. We have people screaming that masks are "against their civil liberties" still.

This is the bottom line for me...as much as I want jobs saved, you can recover from a wrecked economy. We've done so before. You cannot recover from "dead." That is forever.

We have been through things like this before, and we will again. For now, I'm sending a hug to you across the miles.

sirfredfredgeorge · 02/11/2020 09:20

you can recover from a wrecked economy. We've done so before. You cannot recover from "dead."

Only the privileged and wealthy think like this, they think that "a wrecked economy" is about numbers, when the reality is wrecked economies kill people.

Yes in recessions, wealthy highly educated, well connected people lose everything too, but they have the privilege of that education and connections to enable them to easily rebuild.

For others, a wrecked economy kills too.

Mamanyt · 03/11/2020 01:04

@sirfredfredgeorge

you can recover from a wrecked economy. We've done so before. You cannot recover from "dead."

Only the privileged and wealthy think like this, they think that "a wrecked economy" is about numbers, when the reality is wrecked economies kill people.

Yes in recessions, wealthy highly educated, well connected people lose everything too, but they have the privilege of that education and connections to enable them to easily rebuild.

For others, a wrecked economy kills too.

I am neither wealthy nor privileged. In fact, I live well below the poverty level. But I am also mourning 11 dead from this thing, and I know which tears at me most.