Help me get some perspective, this morning's news has upset me so much

[Spotthedoggies]

Please help

@Feminist10101

You can’t use Nightingale hospitals for ITU cases. And anyone transferred to one needs the required staff to go too. Given there already aren’t enough staff in the NHS, we can’t afford to send them to nightingales on a 1:1 ration when it’s 1:8 or 1:12 in hospital.

so whats the point of them

**kwest

I don’t understand why other people don’t understand this. It is so obvious yet people are hellbent on lockdowns.

I’m stuck living with my abusive ex husband, I’ve severe anxiety and depression and a child with SEN. I don’t think I can take another lockdown.

Lilacmoon - thank you for that quote - I like that a lot

[Biscuit]

I hate ‘mysterious posts’ like this

so whats the point of them

Mainly posturing and window dressing to stop people panicking about the lack of capacity in the NHS.

You're referring to the hundreds missing after the earthquake in Turkey? So worrying for their families isn't it?

Oh, God, really? The downside of refusing to listen to the news because it's so depressing is that you (I) end up blinkered about what's going on elsewhere in the world. What an awful tragedy.

Take it one day at a time. Just think about today, what you are doing today or even just this morning for now. Try not to worry in advance. The reality is that nothing actually bad or worse will happen right now or tomorrow or next week, in terms of the lockdown element, and if anything was going to (before someone says that they could catch the virus tomorrow for example) well, that's not a new lockdown worry, that's the same worry with or without lockdown 2.

In the longer term, hopefully these new measures will help reduce case numbers, meanwhile there are signs of vaccines being developed and scientists all around the world are much further along in studying the virus than they were when new to it in March. We have so much more information now than before to work with.

Imagine being 3 years in to WW2. It must have felt never ending - the rationing, the air raids, the evacuation of children miles from home and with strangers, civilians being signed up and going off to fight, all with the uncertainty that the war could even be won. The country was in a mess after the war ended but it recovered and and life went on, as it always does. What followed was (amongst other things) the swinging 60s and the Beatles and Elvis and manufacturing and trade and jobs and space travel and computers, but I bet the ordinary person in 1943 would never have believed those kind of things could come along afterwards. We need to hold our nerve. Better days will come, sooner or later.

@Thewordgame

**kwest

I don’t understand why other people don’t understand this. It is so obvious yet people are hellbent on lockdowns.

But it isn't obvious when you understand the science. Which you obviously don't.

What news?

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

so whats the point of them

Mainly posturing and window dressing to stop people panicking about the lack of capacity in the NHS.

This, we have one of the lowest capacity of icu beds in Europe, I guess this is what you get when you underfund crucial services for years & years it eventually comes back & bites you, apart from of course when you are handing out contracts for PPE for millions n millions of pounds to a favoured few who have no real track record in providing such vital equipment, but I expect they will get away with it like they always do but in the meantime people suffer in so many ways, it really is heartbreaking on so many levels.

@lilacmoon78
Thank you for that quote, it’s a very hopeful piece. Do you know who wrote it?

As others have said this is not about Xmas, it’s about giving the hospitals and more importantly the staff who have to work there, a reduction in the number of cases they have to deal with.

@Thewordgame

**kwest

I don’t understand why other people don’t understand this. It is so obvious yet people are hellbent on lockdowns.

No sane person wants lockdown, but it’s the only thing that can be done now to prevent hospitals becoming overrun with Covid patients.

When the hospitals are overrun with Covid patients the first thing that happens is that all routine appointments are cancelled and the hospital can only deal with acute non-Covid case (appendicitis, RTCs etc). Then there’s no room for any more Covid patients and other acutely ill people, so some patients have to be turned away and sent to other hospitals.

This is already beginning to happen in the NW.

Next, those other hospitals find themselves in the same position, and there’s no capacity anywhere.

We’ve already been delaying other non-acute but possibly urgent treatment, which is frankly appalling. Who else shall we not treat this time? Will we turn Covid patients away (and arguably this happened in the first wave to some extent, where some patients were told to stay at home until their lips were blue by 111)? Will we ration care by age?

It’s terrible. But it’s a pandemic, and our government is useless. There are no good options, only less terrible ones.

I am due my second baby on Monday. All I could see this morning was wet, dark winter days stuck inside with a 1 year old and a newborn, seeing nobody, speaking to nobody, going nowhere. The loneliness and isolation is going to be crippling. I have no idea if my parents will be able to meet their granddaughter. I had PND and psychosis last time, and I am so scared it will happen again and I will have nothing to keep me going. Getting to every day was my sanity on DD1. I honestly have spent the morning crying my eyes out.

I have taken some time to get my head around it. I am going to make a list of all the places in the area that I can go to once the announcement is made. I am just going to get tough and determined to make the best of it. I may break rules to meet one particular mum outside if it means they are the only people I speak to all week bar DH in the evenings. All we can do is get through it. Its going to be rubbish.

Is op coming back or is this just another thread to start a bun fight?

On a personal level we are terrified of another lockdown, but for us it means DH's (40) treatment for stage 4 terminal cancer will be postponed (possibly) again and scans will be delayed. He has already outlived his original life expectancy so really can't afford to miss any treatments.

take care @SqidgeBum

i hope you have support now, forewarned is forearmed

@bigchris @FurrySlipperBoots

Regarding hospital capacity, there is a chart on the BBC website showing calculated time scales for hospital capacity being full if cases keep rising , this shows different scenarios which include using nightingale hospitals and cutting normal NHS operations ; in most areas it's showing total over capacity by end of December. (I'm sorry I don't know how to link )

Obviously these are just projections and it's quite possible that cases may stabilise rather than continue to rise but I imagine presented with this the government are worried .'

They’re talking about the leaked potential lockdown for England from next week.

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