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Solutions to split the mental load

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Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 10:12

I’m married, 2 children aged 1 and 3. Both of us work from home at the moment, him full time, me 4 days (recently upped from 2-3). We split childcare, chores etc as equally as we can, both spending approximately the same amount of time a week on chores, sharing cooking, cleaning etc. I spend slightly more time with the children because I’m PT, but he’s done that too in the past and feels that looking after both when so young is v full on, so doesn’t expect me to do any more chores etc because I’m PT. We both have similar amounts of free time. I tend to have more disturbed nights because of breastfeeding, but then he gets up with them in the morning, does the childcare run etc, so I can have an extra couple of hours in bed. All great, and we are very happy.

But, the mental load still falls on me predominantly. He knows this, its something he acknowledges, and doesn't feel is fair. The problem is, the ‘stuff’ is in my head and not his. I appreciate its difficult to remember to do something if you haven’t thought of it – and that is the crux of it really.

I remember that its x’s birthday, or that our child is due their vaccinations, or that we need to send y a thank you card. But its just not on his radar. I don’t do it for him, but I remind him, set reminders on Alexa etc, but he still forgets, and then reminding him is just yet another thing on my to do list.

We do an online shop between us (he is responsible for meal planning and adds ingredients, I do lunches, snacks, miscellaneous). But I book it, and have to remind him of when the deadline is. He's never remembered himself...

I'd like to not have to remind him, for once, to pay the childminder, because he's forgotten again, and she's messaged me.

An example - he needs to send a thank you card to an elderly aunt – and I’ve been reminding him about it for 6 weeks. It took about 2 weeks of reminding him before he bought it, a similar amount of time before writing it, and no it hasn’t been sent yet, despite further nagging. But if he doesn’t, its me that gets it in the neck because it seems society expects me to do it.

He knows that he should remember, but between work, children, life etc, he doesn’t seem to be able to. Which means I have to have it in my head.

So what’s the solution? And one that doesn’t actually give me more work?

How do I get him to anticipate in advance what might be needed in life without prompting? To take the initiative that our eldest is growing out of her trousers, and to shop for some more (as opposed to me telling him about this), or for him to check out when school open days are and arrange visits, for example.

I guess the two points are that when reminded about something, he procrastinates, which mean I have to remind him multiple times, and secondly, that I’d like him to take more initiative in taking the lead, not needing reminding etc.

In some ways I feel wrong moaning because I feel that our relationship is a lot more equal than most people's that I know, and it is a genuine forgetfulness/not thinking about things, rather than thinking its not his job. But its driving me nuts, and leads to me being a lot more stressed than him.

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SeaToSki · 20/10/2020 11:55

It sounds like it works well between the two of you where there is a clear delineation of jobs. Can you both sit down and writes a list of all the elements of mental load that you want to split up. Group them into categories like kids clothes, gift and thank you notes, doctor appointments etc. Then decide on who will do what based on your preferences, skills or lack of them in certain areas etc. so you get gifts and thank you cards because it can be more ‘on the fly’ and he gets doctor appointments because he can schedule electronic reminders etc. i think if you are delegating a task to him, its fair for you to write a list of hoe you would do it, with any phone numbers, account numbers, cheat sheet tips etc and then let him get on with it.

Sexnotgender · 20/10/2020 11:57

Let stuff drop.

He doesn’t remember to do the food shop? Then you don’t get food and HE needs to go sort it out.

I’m sure he’ll start remembering things once it inconveniences him.

BernardsarenotalwaysSaints · 20/10/2020 12:01

Dh has a calendar full of reminders, night before bin day, 2 days before we need to place shopping order, a week before family birthdays (his side) etc etc. I do too for the bits I do. We have a family calendar for things like the dc vaccinations, optician appt, dentist, parents evening etc. All have reminders for a week before.

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Stompythedinosaur · 20/10/2020 12:10

What worked for us was a mixture of having regular brief catch ups with dp about what was happening in the next few days and what that meant we would need to do, and also me getting super busy at work so basically leaving him to it for a couple of months where if he didn't do things they didn't get done.

Everything's pretty 50:50 now.

RandomMess · 20/10/2020 12:12

I would off load the on line shop and all meal and snack planning to him. When he messes it up leave him to sort it out....

Leave him to sort out his family and friends cards/gifts.

YouUnlockedTheGateAnd · 20/10/2020 12:20

Yep

Dont Blink.. dont step up.

Your error is stepping in when he forgets.

Divide tasks in the was Random suggests. AND DO NOT REMIND HIM. He isn’t deliberately forgetting, but there is that subconscious awareness that someone else will remind him/ sort it,which is leading to him not organising himself.

Bollox to everything to do with cards and gifts for his relatives. If he forgets it’s on him. Give the childminder his number, let her chase him for payment.

It’s tough at first and he will fuck up. Do not step in. You HAVE to let him fall and have everyone suffer consequences.

RandomMess · 20/10/2020 12:25

We had some interesting meals for a while Grin he was also learning how to cook, only thing I nagged/reminded him about is that we did need to have vegetables with our meals...

BasinHaircut · 20/10/2020 12:26

Your set up sounds similar to mine. It’s social conditioning and I don’t know what the answer is but if you work it out please let me knowGrin

Some things I let slide - for example DH is in charge of all of ‘his’ families birthday cards/gifts, so if he doesn’t sort it they don’t get one. If anyone ever mentions it to me I just say that it was his job so speak to him about it. Obviously they never do though as it’s clearly women’s work Angry

I feel your pain, the mental load is very real and very exhausting. DS has had today off school, guess who phoned into school and after school club to let them know and guess who it didn’t even occur to to do either of those things? If I mentioned it to DH he would say he would have done it (and he would have) but how do you overcome the fact that you still had to remember and tell him to do it otherwise it wouldn’t have got done?

As I’m typing this I’ve literally just reminded DH to go and post a condolence card - the person died 2 weeks ago today....,

dreamingbohemian · 20/10/2020 12:37

First, get technology to solve as many of these issues as possible -- reminders, direct debits, online shopping, etc.

Then, really think about how you can cut down the mental load. Thank you cards for his relatives? That's his problem. I know it's hard to buck social norms but nothing will ever change until us women start pushing back on this stuff.

For everything that's left after that -- well, you have a couple options. I also have a wonderful husband who splits everything equally but struggles more than I do with mental load stuff. So I do more of that stuff, and he does more cleaning and housework. I'm good with details and he's a great cook so it makes sense.

I don't think splitting things equally means every household task has to be split equally, not everyone is good at everything. If he's as fair as you make him sound, then he should be willing to do extra work to make up for the mental load you take care of.

Xiaoxiong · 20/10/2020 13:40

I agree with not splitting every household task down the middle, play to your strengths if you can. For instance, I really enjoy cooking and shopping and I like doing washing in the evenings while listening to podcasts so I do 100% of that, and I sit down once a year in September and make sure all the health-related appointments are booked for the following 12 months. Whereas he sorts out the kids haircuts, buys their school shoes, all extra curricular stuff like music lessons and sport is his responsibility so paying subs for clubs, kit, etc. He also takes care of all cards and buys the presents for birthdays and Christmas for the kids (he also buys for my family members - I buy only for him), and I look after food and drink. He deals with everything to do with the car, insurances, but savings and investments we sit down to do together.

The main thing you have to make sure is that your number and email aren't given as the contact details for everything, and ignore things that haven't been done! Don't remind him or step in to do it before he's done it.

We also have "Sunday Night Business" when we sit down after the kids are in bed with our phones, laptops, calendar and a glass of wine and go through the week ahead: who is where when, who's in/out for each meal, who needs picking up etc. and pay anything online that needs paying or sort out stuff that needs sorting. Then I do a meal plan and the online shop while he tidies the kitchen (whoever cooks doesn't wash up).

VinylDetective · 20/10/2020 13:53

I completely agree with playing to strengths. In our house I’m the birthday queen, I buy and post all the cards because it’s easy for me and I enjoy it. I never have to give the bins, dog’s stuff or oven cleaning a thought, he does that. He keeps both cars filled with petrol too. The reason this works is because we agreed the division of this stuff a long time ago and now it’s just habit.

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 14:31

Thanks everyone 🙂

I need to work out what I'm happy to let slip. Or more precisely, continue to let slip. I remind, but I rarely step in and do the job myself. So things like nephews, godchildren (his, not mine) have almost never received birthday presents on time/at all, which gets a bit embarrassing when they send them for your own children...

Perhaps a combination of a Sunday night (or other night) catch up and playing to our strengths will work. I'm very aware they our eldest starts school next year, and the school will be a lot less forgiving of being so forgetful.

He is the default contact for the childminder (though it's taken over a year to get her to realise this and stop badgering me! Him forgetting to pay doesn't help).

Things like forgetting something when packing the baby bag, or forgetting to take a jacket to the childminders. It's all tiny stuff, but it makes me feel like I need to be on the ball with it, and check. And yes, I've tried not checking/reminding, and it makes zero difference, except we've then got to resolve the situation.

I think it's just a case of a poor memory to an extent. I'm not great with it, but with kids, we can't both get away with it, so I've ended up being the one to step up.

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RandomMess · 20/10/2020 15:12

What does he do for work? Does he have memory issues there? Does he forget things that are important to him such as when the Footie match he wants to watch kicks off?

I think splitting up larger chores doesn't work well as the responsibility isn't as black and white. We tried to share meal planning/shopping it wasn't successful.

Yes to playing to your strengths, why wouldn't you!

DH also does ALL the laundry process apart from stuff that goes in the "specials" basket he isn't to touch. He washes, dries, folds it. Kids have always helped sort it into piles with him. Sure I will "help" occasionally and I will ask if their is clean dark washing lurking as I'm low on knickers but the mental load is all his.

Toebarb · 20/10/2020 15:17

Would writing it down work? So there is a shared list of random bits and pieces to remember, and one of the jobs that you share (while the other person is doing the washing up or bathing the DC) is to look through the list and tick a couple of items off.

MJMG2015 · 20/10/2020 15:38

I think some of us are naturally better at this than others. Plus, some people, like me, are control freaks/naturally want to help/organise.

I don't mind the 'mental load' and personally I think 'life' works, when one person has the 'overview'.

However, I fully take advantage of DH's greater height/strength etc.

In your situation, DH has admitted it's not fair on you, so why isn't he stepping up? He's not, so he's merely paying lip service to saying it's not fair. He could easily take over the responsibility for the shopping order & paying the CM. That's not even 'mental load' it's just a task, for which he can set alerts. Decide what you can delegate & will make you feel that it's not all on you.

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 15:40

His memory isn't great across the board, though is excellent for facts and figures sometimes, just not events, diaries etc.

He's double booked himself social things, and fun things. It's very much not a blindness/willful ignorance to domestic things, but a crap memory.

Mine is pretty shoddy, but that's what lists and Alexa is for. I procrastinate and forget, but he's on a different scale.

Shared lists etc should work, but all it means is items are put on there by me (so I'm the one still alert to what needs doing), and they either sit there undone or I nag. Or I get Alexa to do it. There are things on our joint Alexa to do list that are over a year old that I'm waiting on! And that's with periods of ignoring it and of frequent nagging. He'll always intend to do it that evening etc, but then life gets in the way and it's the following week already. We are both procrastinators though by nature, so I see how it happens, it's just we need to be better now we have kids, and I think I am ..

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FreddieMac · 20/10/2020 15:45

I have older kids. The key to this is not thinking in a two week timeframe, but a two year one. You’ll have kids for a long time so start the process of moving things over to him. And those things should be off your radar.

Think about uniforms, packed lunches, PE kits, play dates, birthday parties. There is a deluge of shit coming your way! Be prepared. Also I find that as a mum, you’ll care about play dates and birthday parties (one your kids are invited to) and the dad won’t care so much. So you’ll need him to pick up other stuff instead. He can do dentist, doctors, sick days, after school clubs.

And it’s an ongoing situation with peaks and troughs.

FreddieMac · 20/10/2020 15:47

Oh top tip - give the school his contact details - phone and email. NOT yours.

RandomMess · 20/10/2020 15:50

He needs to write check lists as his memory is poor and yes technology is great for this.

One for checking the kids bags, same for food shop etc etc. He needs to find techniques that work.

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 15:55

In your situation, DH has admitted it's not fair on you, so why isn't he stepping up?

He thinks he'll do better at it in the future. That he'll make a list of things like birthdays and put them in his phone calendar, set reminders for CM etc. But seeing the giant box of old cutlery sat by his desk, which he swears he'll find a home for, or chuck, but has been sat there for upwards of a year, I don't have much faith that he will remember to do this!

He had to give a written statement to the police recently. It took two reminder letters, a daily repeating reminder on Alexa, several nags and me physically giving it to him with a pen before he did it!

I love him dearly, and him me, but I feel like I'm drowning in procrastination. It probably doesn't help that neither child sleeps well, and we are both absolutely exhausted.

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Dogsaresomucheasier · 20/10/2020 15:56

Mine is similar, and I just can’t let the children suffer so I don’t step back😢

toiletpaper · 20/10/2020 15:58

Since having DC my memory has gone atrocious and it's frustrating because I used to have such a good memory. I keep reminders in my phone for things and I also use a whiteboard for daily stuff. The ticking off (or wiping off in this case) a job done is so satisfying!

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 15:58

@FreddieMac

The deluge is one of the reasons why I want to to sort this out now. This year is a breeze compared to next year.

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Sexnotgender · 20/10/2020 15:59

I’m sure if he lived alone he’d figure out how to do these things by himself. Almost by magic.

RandomMess · 20/10/2020 16:00

Sounds like you could do joint therapy to deal with your procrastination issues...

Does he get distracted? Has he looked at ADD to see if that could be him?

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