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Solutions to split the mental load

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Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 10:12

I’m married, 2 children aged 1 and 3. Both of us work from home at the moment, him full time, me 4 days (recently upped from 2-3). We split childcare, chores etc as equally as we can, both spending approximately the same amount of time a week on chores, sharing cooking, cleaning etc. I spend slightly more time with the children because I’m PT, but he’s done that too in the past and feels that looking after both when so young is v full on, so doesn’t expect me to do any more chores etc because I’m PT. We both have similar amounts of free time. I tend to have more disturbed nights because of breastfeeding, but then he gets up with them in the morning, does the childcare run etc, so I can have an extra couple of hours in bed. All great, and we are very happy.

But, the mental load still falls on me predominantly. He knows this, its something he acknowledges, and doesn't feel is fair. The problem is, the ‘stuff’ is in my head and not his. I appreciate its difficult to remember to do something if you haven’t thought of it – and that is the crux of it really.

I remember that its x’s birthday, or that our child is due their vaccinations, or that we need to send y a thank you card. But its just not on his radar. I don’t do it for him, but I remind him, set reminders on Alexa etc, but he still forgets, and then reminding him is just yet another thing on my to do list.

We do an online shop between us (he is responsible for meal planning and adds ingredients, I do lunches, snacks, miscellaneous). But I book it, and have to remind him of when the deadline is. He's never remembered himself...

I'd like to not have to remind him, for once, to pay the childminder, because he's forgotten again, and she's messaged me.

An example - he needs to send a thank you card to an elderly aunt – and I’ve been reminding him about it for 6 weeks. It took about 2 weeks of reminding him before he bought it, a similar amount of time before writing it, and no it hasn’t been sent yet, despite further nagging. But if he doesn’t, its me that gets it in the neck because it seems society expects me to do it.

He knows that he should remember, but between work, children, life etc, he doesn’t seem to be able to. Which means I have to have it in my head.

So what’s the solution? And one that doesn’t actually give me more work?

How do I get him to anticipate in advance what might be needed in life without prompting? To take the initiative that our eldest is growing out of her trousers, and to shop for some more (as opposed to me telling him about this), or for him to check out when school open days are and arrange visits, for example.

I guess the two points are that when reminded about something, he procrastinates, which mean I have to remind him multiple times, and secondly, that I’d like him to take more initiative in taking the lead, not needing reminding etc.

In some ways I feel wrong moaning because I feel that our relationship is a lot more equal than most people's that I know, and it is a genuine forgetfulness/not thinking about things, rather than thinking its not his job. But its driving me nuts, and leads to me being a lot more stressed than him.

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SpaceOP · 20/10/2020 16:48

The fact that it's not just stuff to do with the family that he can't cope with (the police statement being a classic example - the most useless man around the home would usually be perfectly capable of realising that a police statement is important, has consequences etc and would therefore get on with it), suggests that this is not just a man's selective forgetfulness but a more systemic issue with executive function - which is the rather misleading term used to describe people who struggle with planning etc.

Having said that, he needs to find tools to manage this and while you can be supportive, and I think there's probably a middle ground here, it doesn't mean he simply gets to opt out completely. I'm not great with money, but I have to do some financial things because I'm an adult and that's just the way the world works. He needs to experience the consequences of not doing whatever he's responsible for.

So, for example, the police thing is one I absolutely would not have been reminding him for. And when they're knocking on the door, I can assure you that they would not have been blaming you for his uselessness.

Cards and presents - take those on yourself. It's irritating, but as you say, you will be judged not him and you are receiving cards and presents from his side so really, it just starts to look bad.

Childminder - absolutely step back. If she texts you re payment, simply forward the text message to him. She really shouldn't be texting but asking him for payment when he collects/drops the children anyway. ditto their clothes/toys etc at the childminder. If he forgets, don't get involved. Just carry on with whatever you're doing. (DH loses his keys/wallet/glasses constantly. I no longer get involved in anyway whatsoever even if it means he'll be late. Because it just stresses me out and I don't see why I must be the person searching constantly).

Make sure that if he doesn't do something, he gets the blame. And not in a tinkly-laugh-aren't-men-silly kind of a way but specifically, "I'm sorry that didn't happen. DH is responsible for it and has let you down." Similarly, feel perfectly justified in being annoyed with him. I did have to accept that for DS's sports group I had to take it on eventually but I felt NO guilt whatsoever about being absolutely LIVID when he missed notifications and as a result I was the one who was turning up at the crack of dawn for practices that had been changed/cancelled/moved to a different venue. I absolutely refused to accept that I should be "nice" because he made a "mistake". Doing it once is a mistake. doing it repeatedly is not.

Clothes etc can be his and you can help him establish a system which is really very simple - every evening/morning/whatever he has to check what the kids need for the following day and make sure it happens. If he then forgets after you've helped him put the system in place, so be it. The kids will be late for school while he's frantically washing/ironing their clothes at the last minute or whatever. Obviously not great for them, but as long as your'e stepping in, he won't be incentivised to get into this routine. Again, DH tends to do this one last thing at night. It's incomprehensible to me why he's loading the washing machine at 9pm when he was at home all day but hey, that's when he thinks about it so that's what he does. I just carry on watching TV.

Incidentally, DS has issues with executive function and while DH has not been diagnosed as this, I'm convinced he has it too (I think it's genetic in his family to be honest). We're working really hard on it at school and home but I can see we're at a new level currently and I'm considering what is needed to help him again because I don't want DS to suffer as an adult as a result of this whether it's in his work or personal relationships.

SpaceOP · 20/10/2020 16:49

Sorry. that was insanely long. Apparently your OP touched a chord for me.

SeaToSki · 20/10/2020 16:56

I think a weekly planning meeting would be a good idea for both of you. If he physically agrees to take on the tasks it might help rather than you putting it on a list for him. Also how about having an agreement that a certain time slot in the day if for doing jobs on the list (and you arent allowed to suddenly add something last minute). That is very useful strategy for proCrastinators. One person does jobs, the other watches the dc for an amount of time and then switch.

Also suggest you try some new strategies to sort out dc sleep. Sleep deprivation is bad for them and bad for you two

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Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 17:11

@SpaceOP
That's actually really useful, and I think you're right about a lot of it. I thinks lot of people still think this is a sex based issue, because so many men do just let the woman do it, but I genuinely don't believe it is in this instance. He hates the idea of sex based roles.

@SeaToSki
The slot might be a useful tool.
Things are getting better with the kids. The 3 year old no longer wakes 2 hours to put to bed and sometimes sleeps through. The 1 year old wakes 1-2 a night rather than 5-10 times (though is often up for 3 hours still in the night). I'm not going to change sleep stuff whilst it's gradually going in the right direction as I'm terrified we'll be back where we were again!

I think my control freak tendencies mean that I tend to feel it all has consequences. It's taken over a year for the CM to finally send invoices directly to DH rather than me. A year of me, every single month messaging her to ask her to send it to him instead, because he's in charge of sorting this, not me. And then her messaging me a week later saying it still hasn't been paid, only to find that she still hadn't sent it to him. For me to then forward it to him, followed by a few days of me nagging him to sort it. Finally, she got it, and gave it directly to him, and he forgets to pay it for 3 weeks. That's what made me snap basically. She's is frustrating (if he bakes for the CM, she messages me to check about ingredients for allergies. She doesn't seem to understand that a man can do this stuff 😂), but she's also absolutely brilliant with the children, and I'd rather lick the floor of a Covid ward than risk the placement.

Lets see how the new strategies go!

Ps: he should be leaving for the CM in 2 minutes. Must not remind him clasps hands to side

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EL8888 · 20/10/2020 17:12

My partner and l both have dyspraxia, this is often linked to dyslexia and can cause issues with organisation. He still tries to take a back seat in the organisation / mental load stakes Hmm. I try hard to fight this. We are both similar afflicted after all!

notanotheronepleasee · 20/10/2020 17:13

I'd swap him for mine!

FreddieMac · 20/10/2020 17:18

Ah ! How funny! I am very dyslexic and married my very organised dH as a brilliant coping mechanism. My phone and watch take up the rest of the slack.

Perhaps look at the Marie Kondo book- Netflix program. ‘The magic of tidying up’. This prompted DH and I to throw away so much stuff (donate) that it’s much easier to keep track of the what’s left. Tho tricky for you with such small kids.

For the the dyslexia means I have no memory, no sense of time or place, no idea of the date. I am always late and find it very stressful but.... am always late.

There are no half measure here. Maybe try the ‘fair play’ book which sounds fab, then everything is labelled, on the diary, in the calendar, everything has it’s place.

Your Dh can do it, but it all needs a system.

SpaceOP · 20/10/2020 17:21

but she's also absolutely brilliant with the children, and I'd rather lick the floor of a Covid ward than risk the placement.

Unfortunately, this is the crux of it. In this instance, the consequences are on you and what you see as being best for the DC. So either you take this one on OR you apply my "get angry" approach as above.

DH is brilliant, but he does a fantastic line in, "just because I did something wrong doesn't mean you get to be angry" which, because I'm a woman, I have bought into in the past. It's bollocks. Screaming, shouting and swearing are clearly not okay. But making it clear that I am extremely unhappy/disappointed/upset that x, y, z has happened and that it is ME that is impacted is, as far as I'm concerned, perfectly reasonable.

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 17:24

@notanotheronepleasee

No chance Wink

He really is a lovely guy. He recently had his first 'day off' from family, with friends, for a very long time. I had to convince him to say yes, because he didn't want to leave me with the kids for the day at the weekend. He only agreed, as long as I agreed we'd schedule a spa day off for me with a friend of mine (whilst he also provides childcare for friends child).

Generally he looks out for me, and me for him. We don't let either of us get too exhausted or overwhelmed with things, and try to keep things fair.

It's just this one area that bugs me. and putting clothes in top of the washing basket not in it

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RandomMess · 20/10/2020 17:25

Dyslexia and other processing difficulties so very often go hand in hand and yes being bright masks it.

This is what I was trying to say earlier it's clear it's a genuine difficulty and finding the reason why is really important as it helps identify the techniques that will help manage it best.

One of mine has dyspraxia, it wasn't at all obvious I just knew there was something not quite "right" her mental maths atrocious as a consequence!

Another has likely inattentive ADD, the disorganisation and the mess 🤦🏼‍♀️

I procrastinate through fear of failure, knowing this helps me stop it.

SpaceOP · 20/10/2020 17:28

Sorry, me again....

When DS was little, DH was a SAHD. In the beginning, he really struggled just getting out of the house. Eventually, he spent some most of a week making himself a list that he then used to make sure he was appropriately packed etc. He offered it to me once and I pointed out that I didn't need a list but I wish I'd been a bit more understanding because now, nearly 10 years later, I really understand how hard this is for him and appreciate the effort he made to sort it (I mean, I appreciated it at the time too, but in a different way). He's actually really organised with the kids stuff these days but it does take on somewhat epic proportions in his head and takes him a lot longer than it would take me. But fair enough - he does a great job and gets it right and it's actually all very organised. I particularly enjoy it when I have to pick the kids up after swimming as he'll have sorted all their stuff into individual bags and even remembers to pack non-school shoes for them.

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 17:33

@RandomMess

It's something I'm definitely going to look into.

As an example, he had to cancel our 4th date, back when we first started dating, because 2 hours before he was due (it was a weekend date, we were LDR) he remembered he was supposed to be going to a wedding the next day.

Oh, and (this is totally outing, so hello darling, if you read this Wink) there was the time he had a trip abroad with work. He took my passport instead of his, only realised at the airport, had to dash home and barely made his flight, only to get there and find out the work conference was the following week. He went back the following week and nearly missed his flight home because he lost track of time sightseeing.

But for as much as that's frustrating, he's done some breathtakingly amazing romantic things, and is overall a wonderful husband and father.

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Calligraphy572 · 20/10/2020 17:39

First cross cards and gifts off your mental list if they are for his family. If 'society' judges you, judge right back, even harder, perhaps by mentioning what a failure of parenting it is that dh has no manners... (MIL has never dared complain again. And he has, in nearly 2 decades, never once sent her even a card. I send flowers every year for her birthday, because I like her. I sign only my name. She thanks only me. She gets nothing for mothering Sunday... which is sad. But not my problem to fix.)

As others have said, let him fail. The school project he said he'd do but never did? He can mop up dc's tears. He forgets to pack a cardie for dc? He deals with the fallout. You need to take your hands off the steering wheel for stuff that is not really critical.

Work out what really, try matters and worry about that stuff. God knows there's enough of that.

And finally, explain to dh how unsexy it is to be micromanaging your life partner. You want a husband who is a competent adult, not a child to be nagged and scheduled.

Thatstoast · 20/10/2020 17:45

Tell the childminder to remove your mobile number from her records. Report her to the ico if she doesn't comply.

Put all the pressure that you receive from society onto him.

Nobody would ever say of a woman "well she's doesn't care if the kids get measles but she's so romantic."

RandomMess · 20/10/2020 17:52

I am generally very organised.

I used to regularly forget to pick my youngest up from the childminder the one day per week she went 🤦🏼‍♀️

No idea why the time of collection wouldn't stick in my head. Thankfully CM knew me well enough to text quickly and check if I'd forgotten 😂

MadCatLady71 · 20/10/2020 18:08

I have a big glass-board in the kitchen on which we (I) write everything that needs to be remembered to make life run smoothly. Things to do, things we need to buy, things that need to be repaired, appointments and diary dates, vaccination dates, electricians/plumbers visits, scheduled deliveries... EVERYTHING. It actually works really well as a kind of shared mind.

dooratheexplorer · 20/10/2020 18:22

Buy all the Birthday cards once a year in one go. Write them all and stick stamps on them. Put them in a bring forward folder on the day they need to be sent. Check the bring forward every day (or every week) and stick in the post as necessary.

Also, care less. DH is responsible for any cards and gifts for his family. If he forgets (which he does regularly), they don't get anything. He doesn't lose any sleep about gift buying for my family so I reciprocate.

FerrisB · 20/10/2020 18:34

I agree with letting certain things related to his family go. Just immediately remove those from your head and don't even think about reminding him. I started doing this last year and it really has made a difference (to me, and to his relatives who now go without presents/ cards;)

kittykat35 · 20/10/2020 18:35

Buy all the Birthday cards once a year in one go. Write them all and stick stamps on them. Put them in a bring forward folder on the day they need to be sent. Check the bring forward every day (or every week) and stick in the post as necessary.

Ugggh you see that just says "this job is a nuisance and I don't REALLY care about the giving of the card...it's just a box ticked" I just don't send cards, make a phone call, send a text. I'm a more in the moment person.

VinylDetective · 20/10/2020 18:38

@kittykat35

Buy all the Birthday cards once a year in one go. Write them all and stick stamps on them. Put them in a bring forward folder on the day they need to be sent. Check the bring forward every day (or every week) and stick in the post as necessary.

Ugggh you see that just says "this job is a nuisance and I don't REALLY care about the giving of the card...it's just a box ticked" I just don't send cards, make a phone call, send a text. I'm a more in the moment person.

It doesn’t. It’s just as thoughtful and meaningful as doing them one by one. I buy job lots of nice cards when I see them. I’m adopting your method @kittykat35. Anything to make life easier.
SWLondonTown · 20/10/2020 18:46

Maybe a little controversial but do you really want this to be the hill you die on? Like if he generally pulls his weight is it such a big deal to help him out and not sweat it so much it’s driving you insane?

Buy a multi pack of thank you cards and stamps/ birthday cards and have them ready for various occasions throughout the year.. no need to remember to buy them each time. Have a stash of gift cards / cash alongside for presents if neither of you enjoying shopping. Gifting then takes minutes!

Pay £20 a year for free shipping at Next and each season just do one order and buy everything that’s needed for each kid. It arrives - not time consuming all sorted for the season.

Have an online food shop booked in at the same time each week - pick a time before cut off to both look over it and add anything.

School dates / vaccination type stuff look in red book/ school newsletter and add dates to calendar ASAP then you’ll have a visual reminder at the start of each month what’s coming up.

Etc etc etc...

Just seems like minor issues to be getting stressed about if generally a good relationship.

HoldMyLobster · 20/10/2020 19:23

There's some really good advice here.

I have a son with ADHD who lacks executive functioning skills, so a lot of it rings true.

We have worked hard with him to develop processes and habits that help him cope with life. OP it sounds like you might need to do this with your DH.

But we also have expectations. He understands how frustrating it is for other people when he doesn't do the things he said he'd do, and he takes responsibility for making sure he does do those things.

It's not easy, but it's part of being an adult human.

At the same time you need to set your expectations realistically. He doesn't have to become a control freak, but he does need to take on certain things reliably and consistently.

Given that he doesn't seem to know how to set up the processes and habits, it sounds like you'll need to help him.

Things like setting up:

Online family calendar

Central source of info eg phone numbers, passwords, etc

Set clear expectations for which bits of family life he is responsible for, then tell him you expect him to take them on fully and not wait to be reminded

Then you really need to step back and leave him to it. He needs to experience the consequences of things he doesn't do, so I'd suggest you start with the things that will directly affect him.

If he tries and struggles, then you can help him improve whatever process he's using to try to manage his tasks.

I've written this on the assumption that he genuinely struggles with executive functioning. You could also read some books or google some articles relating to how to help adults improve their executive functioning.

At one point I sent DS to an executive functioning skills coach who worked on things like improving his working memory, setting up working systems, reviewing his homework, splitting projects up into chunks, etc.

I still help him regularly with things like how to organise his desk, how to organise his clothes, how to organise his laundry, how to organise his homework, how to manage his calendar, etc. He learns a bit more each time we go through it.

I can imagine that an adult with similar issues who hasn't been taken through this stuff would struggle with it.

HoldMyLobster · 20/10/2020 19:35

The other thing that occurs to me is that once you've helped him work out how to manage his tasks/mental workload, you'll need to work out how much of what is left you actually want to do and are capable of doing.

Personally I found that once I had small children I didn't have the energy to be a good parent to them, and still do all the things I'd done before I had kids.

I agreed with my family that we were no longer going to send presents and cards to nephews/nieces, I stopped sending thank you letters, my house was much less clean/tidy, my children's clothes rarely matched, we stopped being so organised about finding bargains at the supermarket, our meals became much less exciting, and there's a huge list of other stuff I just stopped worrying about.

Holding down a job while having small children is a full-time task in itself, and you still have the right to relax and enjoy your life too. It's OK to let the unimportant balls fall.

Killerofmen · 20/10/2020 19:36

Have we learnt what this exceptionally bright man does for a living?

Brain Surgeon? Rocket Scientist? Prime Minister?

HoldMyLobster · 20/10/2020 19:43

I have a couple of colleagues who have similar issues to the OP's husband.

One was an engineer who did fine until he set up his own company, which failed because he tried to manage everything himself. He's now a farmer - very successful, partly because he's hired a team of people to do the things he's now aware he's no good at.

Another is a writer, web designer and photographer, who is excellent at creative tasks but was a total failure as an editor because the management side of things was impossible for him.