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Solutions to split the mental load

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Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 10:12

I’m married, 2 children aged 1 and 3. Both of us work from home at the moment, him full time, me 4 days (recently upped from 2-3). We split childcare, chores etc as equally as we can, both spending approximately the same amount of time a week on chores, sharing cooking, cleaning etc. I spend slightly more time with the children because I’m PT, but he’s done that too in the past and feels that looking after both when so young is v full on, so doesn’t expect me to do any more chores etc because I’m PT. We both have similar amounts of free time. I tend to have more disturbed nights because of breastfeeding, but then he gets up with them in the morning, does the childcare run etc, so I can have an extra couple of hours in bed. All great, and we are very happy.

But, the mental load still falls on me predominantly. He knows this, its something he acknowledges, and doesn't feel is fair. The problem is, the ‘stuff’ is in my head and not his. I appreciate its difficult to remember to do something if you haven’t thought of it – and that is the crux of it really.

I remember that its x’s birthday, or that our child is due their vaccinations, or that we need to send y a thank you card. But its just not on his radar. I don’t do it for him, but I remind him, set reminders on Alexa etc, but he still forgets, and then reminding him is just yet another thing on my to do list.

We do an online shop between us (he is responsible for meal planning and adds ingredients, I do lunches, snacks, miscellaneous). But I book it, and have to remind him of when the deadline is. He's never remembered himself...

I'd like to not have to remind him, for once, to pay the childminder, because he's forgotten again, and she's messaged me.

An example - he needs to send a thank you card to an elderly aunt – and I’ve been reminding him about it for 6 weeks. It took about 2 weeks of reminding him before he bought it, a similar amount of time before writing it, and no it hasn’t been sent yet, despite further nagging. But if he doesn’t, its me that gets it in the neck because it seems society expects me to do it.

He knows that he should remember, but between work, children, life etc, he doesn’t seem to be able to. Which means I have to have it in my head.

So what’s the solution? And one that doesn’t actually give me more work?

How do I get him to anticipate in advance what might be needed in life without prompting? To take the initiative that our eldest is growing out of her trousers, and to shop for some more (as opposed to me telling him about this), or for him to check out when school open days are and arrange visits, for example.

I guess the two points are that when reminded about something, he procrastinates, which mean I have to remind him multiple times, and secondly, that I’d like him to take more initiative in taking the lead, not needing reminding etc.

In some ways I feel wrong moaning because I feel that our relationship is a lot more equal than most people's that I know, and it is a genuine forgetfulness/not thinking about things, rather than thinking its not his job. But its driving me nuts, and leads to me being a lot more stressed than him.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 20/10/2020 16:02

I book it, and have to remind him of when the deadline is. He's never remembered himself...

You don't have to. Stop reminding him. You book it and write the deadline on the calender (or however else you communicate) and order what you need and if he doesn't give you his list or add his stuff to the order on time then too bad, he will have to drive to the shop and buy it himself.

But its driving me nuts, and leads to me being a lot more stressed than him.

Well, if he doesn't have to go the shop himself why would he stress about forgetting to give you the list on time? Don't take these bits of his responsibilities onto yourself. If he is really responsible for main meals and he doesn't get the ingredients onto the delivery then he will have to go to the shop. By himself. On his own time.

Don't get so involved.

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 16:11

@Sexnotgender
He did live alone and was just the same. This isn't a willful ignorance to tasks because he a man. On that, you'll just have to take my word.

@RandomMess
I think therapy because he is forgetful is a bit OTT. And tbh, making a far bigger issue of it than it is.

I think being organised goes against both of our personalities. Add on lack of sleep with insomniac children, the inevitable busy family life of children of this age, working, chores, doing necessary bits of DIY etc, stuff doesn't stay in his mental to do list as much as mine. Our brains are saturated as it is.

I've bought some chalkboard pens, and we've got a giant notice board in the kitchen. I'm planning on removing the crap that inevitably gets out on it and writing a family to do list, as a visible reminder every time he (we...) walk in the kitchen, and see if that combined with his new commitment to remember more, works.

Tbh, it would be quicker to sort things like birthdays at least, myself, but he doesn't want that because he doesn't think I should have to.

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kittykat35 · 20/10/2020 16:12

An example - he needs to send a thank you card to an elderly aunt – and I’ve been reminding him about it for 6 weeks. It took about 2 weeks of reminding him before he bought it, a similar amount of time before writing it, and no it hasn’t been sent yet, despite further nagging. But if he doesn’t, its me that gets it in the neck because it seems society expects me to do it.

Honestly OP...this is the kind of stuff that you need to let drop! I couldn't give two thoughts as to whether my dh has sent a card to a member of his family. I did in the beginning but then I thought WTF am I doing! I love his family BUT I am not letting a letter take up space in my head. He will soon learn.

And in terms of getting it in the neck...I once had my mil say something to me about Dn not getting a birthday card and she wondered why I hadn't sent it. I simply said..."Mil I don't do cards (which I don't) I make a phone call or text. (Which I do!) i Don't send cards to my own dn's abroad so it's not something that crosses my radar"

If dh knows that his family expect and send cards then that's their prerogative. Simply put...his family traditions...his job to remember.

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HoldMyLobster · 20/10/2020 16:13

He had to give a written statement to the police recently. It took two reminder letters, a daily repeating reminder on Alexa, several nags and me physically giving it to him with a pen before he did it!

But this is between him and the police. If he chooses not to prioritise it, then he can explain to the police why not. Not your problem.

FreeButtonBee · 20/10/2020 16:14

total delegation of tasks. Dentist, UK passports (I do my nationality) , football club, washing up, 80% of the laundry all his. MOT. All his families' birthday and christmas gifts and cards. all visits to see his parents. Certain types of insurance (although I do 90% of finances as I enjoy it).

And mostly you have to stop caring. So you have to delegate the stuff you don't care about or will have consequences you can live with or they are naturally good (or not totally shit ) at.

Oh pocket money. That's another one I delegated to him when the kids were 5. They are only 7 but I am going to enjoy playing the long game when he has to deal with 3 teens!

Etinox · 20/10/2020 16:15

“ An example - he needs to send a thank you card to an elderly aunt – and I’ve been reminding him about it for 6 weeks. It took about 2 weeks of reminding him before he bought it, a similar amount of time before writing it, and no it hasn’t been sent yet, despite further nagging. But if he doesn’t, its me that gets it in the neck because it seems society expects me to do it. ”
Either do it yourself or hold strong and have nothing to do with it. In trying to share the mental load you’ve taken more on

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 16:16

@AmaryllisNightAndDay

He does go to the shop for things he forgets.
And has to make extra trips to the CM when he forgets their wellies etc.

It just makes for a slightly stressed husband. And me.

I probably do need to leave him to it more though. I do have control freak tendencies.

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FreddieMac · 20/10/2020 16:16

Shared Google calender.
Family meetings once a week
Good idea on the notice board, have a weekly plan up, inc meals if possible.

I have no memory at all. So unless it’s on my phone or the calendar then it will be forgotten. Get an Apple Watch? Mine functions as the missing part of my brain.

AnnaMagnani · 20/10/2020 16:18

Decide jobs that are his and his alone and then let him fail at them.

Card for elderly aunt - is she your aunt or his? His aunt, his responsibility. Your aunt, yours. The end.

If there is any comeback for failure, make sure he experiences it - I had my MIL on the phone when a load of birthdays were forgotten but I redirected her and it's not happened again. Ditto he had to deal with the overflowing bins and now he doesn't forget.

If you share the task then you end up being an eternal reminder. He needs to experience some consequences rather than you being his mum.

FreddieMac · 20/10/2020 16:18

Re school - a class whatapps group really help now, as long you ignore any drama. Just lay low and look out for ‘dress as a Victorian’ day comments.

AnnaMagnani · 20/10/2020 16:20

Lowering your standards A Lot helps too.

Sexnotgender · 20/10/2020 16:23

Honestly OP...this is the kind of stuff that you need to let drop! I couldn't give two thoughts as to whether my dh has sent a card to a member of his family
Post baby I bought and wrote all our thank you cards. My side of the family got theirs. Agreement was DH would give out the rest... they’re still in the cupboard 😏

Sexnotgender · 20/10/2020 16:24

Baby is 20 months for context!

RawChicken · 20/10/2020 16:26

OP please read the book "Fair Play" and apply the system. It basically advocates treating all household chores like one would project manage at work. Instead of sharing or splitting chores like cooking or laundry, you divvy up all household chores like "cards", but the difference is that for each card you 'hold' you undertake all of that task, including the mental load of the planning, prep, and carrying out of the tasks. This means for cards that your husband holds you don't have up think about it at all as he takes the mental load for the cards he holds.

This has literally transformed my marriage. We never bicker about chores now and my mental load has literally halved. For example, my DH has "birthdays" as one of his cards. He therefore manages the planning and buying of all family and dc friend birthday cards and gifts. He does it all from start to finish including calendar reminders, and so I don't ever need to think about it. Same for the bins and recycling, and the dishes. I take on things like managing our direct debits and planning and cooking meals and doing grocery shopping. It works so well because we literally have our own "departments" and neither of us ever had to think about the other departments or worry about if they are happening. Iyswim.

Read the book though as she explains it all way better than I can. It is literally life changing.

RandomMess · 20/10/2020 16:26

Sorry if I've offended you but what you have described is someone that has struggled his whole life to remember things and to find a way to manage this effectively.

You mentioned you are both procrastinators - wouldn't you like to change that about yourself? Why not invest in finding out why you are both like that and see if that can help bring about painless change?? There are books out there but having an appointment to go to makes you accountable and more likely to do the homework rather than procrastinate and never read the book...

There are different types of ADD and you are describing the traits of inattentive ADD. There are so many great techniques and tools out there that could help him and he would therefore be less stressed.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 20/10/2020 16:28

He does go to the shop for things he forgets.

That's good. So long as he does things he really doesn't have to do them in the most efficient optimal way. It's OK for him to forget and then sort it out.

I do have control freak tendencies.

Yes, a control freak and a forgetter can easily polarise each other. Remember to step back and shrug - you may need to practice Smile

EL8888 · 20/10/2020 16:28

Another vote to drop some balls, you gave a fair few up in the air. He’s not feeling the proper impact of him not doing stuff as you pick it up. Obviously make sure it’s not anything dangerous or important to you

EL8888 · 20/10/2020 16:29

Gave = have

UncleBunclesHouse · 20/10/2020 16:30

I think my DH is much much worse than everyone’s here in this department. I can tell him things, remind about things until I’m blue in the face and he will still ask about it like I’ve never mentioned it. He asks every morning where DS coat and shoes are. They are always in the same place. He’s dyslexic and thinks this is to do with it, I don’t have enough expertise in this area to know if that’s right or not. He forgets things in other parts of life not just on the domestic front but it does seem to be worse. It is EXHAUSTING and I don’t think he realises quite how much he isn’t exposed to that I just deal with because it’s much much more exhausting getting him to think to do it. I don’t know what the answer is, wish I did. When I take a stand on something in this area it seems to disadvantage me more than him Confused

Dozer · 20/10/2020 16:31

He surely knows, and is happy with the status quo.

For a start, completely stop the ‘wifework’ relating to his family/friends. Eg his aunt/nephew - he notes the date and sorts card gift etc - or not!

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 16:32

@FreddieMac

We're going to end up being the people whose kids go to world book Day as a page from the Argos catalogue, if we aren't careful.

Some of the birthdays really matter to me, as they are joint friends (though originally his) so I think I'll take charge of those. We'll have the chalk board, and I'll ignore what I can, and see if he manages to stick to remembering more. See if that's enough to make it feel more even. If not, I guess we'll revisit it in a few months.

I'm rubbish with sorting money, so that my area of disorganisation that he puts up with and has to help with with sometimes, and I think general organisation and memory is his problem area. I think we do have to support eachother a strengths and weaknesses. I love him, and dont want this to be a source of aggravation between us, but I'd like to just find techniques which mean it's less if a frustration to both of us.

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Dozer · 20/10/2020 16:32

No need for YOU to be embarrassed!

Thespottytortoise · 20/10/2020 16:33

@UncleBunclesHouse

That's interesting. He does have mild dyslexia. He mostly masks it through being ridiculously bright, but I'm going to look into whether they might be part of it.

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Dozer · 20/10/2020 16:33

If he wanted to ‘manage it’, he would. He doesn’t because he’s happy for you to do more than your fair share.

AnnaMagnani · 20/10/2020 16:46

@RawChicken that's interesting as we do this system although I didn't know it had a name.

DH does the dishes. When he started, it pained me that he filled the dishwasher wrong. However seeing as I had no intention of having anything to do with it, and we were having a row, my DM told me to leave him to it.

I now don't actually know how our dishwasher works 10 years down the line.

We tried sharing the cooking. After a few months it was clear life was too short for this to be a success. We just picked our battles. On days I don't want to cook, takeway exists.