ADs self isolate in a fridge Boris style

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We've polished off our hotel breakfasts, flocked to the beaches and eaten out to help out with Rishi. Now the D-Day style floatilla of Anti-Dementor boats weather the stormy seas of tiers 1, 2 and 3 and support each other through the calls for lockdown.

Hold on tight and get those bouyancy aids on...

I managed precisely 24 seconds before I switched over, and 13 of that was looking for and using the remote

Ha ha, yes me too!

@TheOrchidKiller

I've been mostly doing colouring in today. Living the dream.

I hope your dad recovers well @NowYouListenToMeFella.

Thanks so much. He is like a cat with 9 lives.

[quote IAintentDead]@NowYouListenToMeFella

I take 8000iu per day in winter and 4iu in summer. And that is now my levels are good. For the first 6 months I took 20,000iu every day then went to 10,000. At the end of this my levels were the high end of normal and my GP said she had to swallow her words as she had thought that would be far too much.

Now I take 8,000iu and 4,000 alternate days in winter and 4,000 daily in summer. (They come in 4,000 gels)

NHS recommends 100ui (I think) and no more than 1,000ui.

Toxicity has only been found in people taking 40,000 daily for a number of months.

The max in one gel you now seem to be able to order is 4,000.

I suggest that you get some 4000iu gels and take them as you see fit.

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And also look at the Vitamin D society website.[/quote]
Great. Thank you 😊

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@lordswigman
Previously, people have just been shouting I have asthma and ignoring us. I’ve asked can I see your inhaler to which one hasn’t been produced? If you show your inhaler that’s fine but if not can take the matter to court and show them your proof/medicine

@DominaShantotto - I do want to go on threads like that say "yes, if offered the straight choice between my children having a damaged childhood or a random stranger dying, I'm going to pick you dying. You shouldn't be shocked my child's health is of greater importance to me than yours." But its never seen as selfish that they are prepared to sacrifice my kids for their health.

I'm still agog at the thread where apparently there's nothing terrible about saying adults who don't live with their partner should be fine going a year or more without sex. That they are somehow odd for wanting sex. There does.seem to be a lot of people who are completely fine with the idea that if you aren't married/cohabiting, the government can just tell you you can't have sex and we're all acting like that's a reasonable restriction.

A question that's been bothering me and I know the only place I will get rational answers is on here from caring rational people! Is don't all hospitals get really busy in winter? Don't alot of icu beds get taken up? Not trying to bash nhs staff as I know they work hard for crap pay, but isn't this a given every year? The only reason it's so widely talked about this year is due to this situation? I just find it really hard to be able to get my head around it!? My dh pays £400 a month in NI and we have not been able to access any NHS services since March, he personally hasn't used any apart from dentists and opticians which we have to pay for, for 5 year's! Actually thinking about it apart from mh appointments neither have the rest of us! That does make me a bit cross when people say if you don't follow roolz you shouldn't get treatment as we have paid more in than we will ever get back! The only treatment anyone where I live (still 0 cases and 0 deaths) is by going private! I do wonder if its a subtle way of privatisation of the NHS or if covid doesn't go near people that can afford more!!

Wishful yes, the NHS has many hospitals declaring black alert in winter, they’re unable to cope. I’ve heard nurses on radio shows calling in to say they didn’t see that in March before lockdown, which was allegedly the peak of the problem for London.

Glad you liked the kitten, I don’t why he kept putting her on the floor!

@Wishfulthinking1977
The post I saw on FB was saying, we are already always overrun in the winter - so even 10 extra people will cause collapse

That doesn't work for me because

1. Last year was a low death rate for flu
2. Many of those that would have died if there had been a hard winter, died instead from Covid - along with many that would have died this coming winter.
3. So many of the people that would need hospitalisation for flu this year died earlier this year.
4. People can only die once. It may be flu, it may be Covid or (much more likely even this year) it will be something else. You may have more than one of these going on but you can still only die ONCE.

@AcornAutumn

Wishful yes, the NHS has many hospitals declaring black alert in winter, they’re unable to cope. I’ve heard nurses on radio shows calling in to say they didn’t see that in March before lockdown, which was allegedly the peak of the problem for London.

Glad you liked the kitten, I don’t why he kept putting her on the floor!

Completely agree! All my nurse and gp friendd are saying the same! Gorgeous kitten! Xx

[quote IAintentDead]@Wishfulthinking1977
The post I saw on FB was saying, we are already always overrun in the winter - so even 10 extra people will cause collapse

That doesn't work for me because

1. Last year was a low death rate for flu
2. Many of those that would have died if there had been a hard winter, died instead from Covid - along with many that would have died this coming winter.
3. So many of the people that would need hospitalisation for flu this year died earlier this year.
4. People can only die once. It may be flu, it may be Covid or (much more likely even this year) it will be something else. You may have more than one of these going on but you can still only die ONCE.[/quote] Absolutely!! You are putting things in a better perspective than I could! I think I'm just in an angry place and this is the only place (apart from family and friends) that I can vent! Thank you everyone with on here that has a rational perspective xx

Well ds's class bubble has burst and he's home for two weeks. Isolating for the the last week of term and the school hols. Brill.

@NowYouListenToMeFella glad to hear your dad is doing ok! That must have been quite the shock!

[quote IAintentDead]@Wishfulthinking1977
The post I saw on FB was saying, we are already always overrun in the winter - so even 10 extra people will cause collapse

That doesn't work for me because

1. Last year was a low death rate for flu
2. Many of those that would have died if there had been a hard winter, died instead from Covid - along with many that would have died this coming winter.
3. So many of the people that would need hospitalisation for flu this year died earlier this year.
4. People can only die once. It may be flu, it may be Covid or (much more likely even this year) it will be something else. You may have more than one of these going on but you can still only die ONCE.[/quote] Omg I never thought about it like that. You can only die once. You're probably only going to be admitted to hospital with one deadly condition aren't you. I genuinely never even considered it in that way.

Our hospital posts every winter telling us all to bugger off cos they're full. Shite.

@AcornAutumn

Wishful yes, the NHS has many hospitals declaring black alert in winter, they’re unable to cope. I’ve heard nurses on radio shows calling in to say they didn’t see that in March before lockdown, which was allegedly the peak of the problem for London.

Glad you liked the kitten, I don’t why he kept putting her on the floor!

Every year since the 1970s I've been told that hospitals aren't going to cope this winter.

In January 2018: 23 hospital trusts called Black Alerts

I think the state that the NHS gets into most winters is the crux of the issue.

The government don't want to look bad with an over capacity NHS floundering and congested corridors, so they pinch the pennies by keeping hype of the virus up at March levels when it was more alarming and we knew much less and run a skeleron version of healthcare.

Individuals quietly dying at home is much less healine worthy than dramatic images of congested corridors.

BiL who is an intelligent and astute man hadn't realised that u50s are unlikely to recieve vaccines because of the risk/ benefit ratio for younger demographics, so the students may as well continue to gain herd immunity at university as the majority will not be vaccinated anyway, nor that 80-90% are assymptomatic. If people like him are not keeping up with developments of the situation, it really doesn't bode well.

Re going private. Well there is a problem there, many private hospitals were appropriated by the NHS during lockdown, in Wales they were not released until sometime in August, they are now so far behind themselves treating their normal private patients with all the operations, consultations being cancelled in March. OH in despair took 7k out of savings to have the op. privately because his NHS one was cancelled, he is still waiting to hear when that can go ahead, in the meantime he has managed to get back on NHS list.

So private care is way behind now.

One cheshire private hospital did have some critical cancer work that was off loaded onto them during the lockdown by the nhs. They insisted on providing their own nhs nurses to work alongside the normal nursing staff. This went down like a lead balloon the private staff thought the NHS lot were sloppy and somewhat lazy.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Well ds's class bubble has burst and he's home for two weeks. Isolating for the the last week of term and the school hols. Brill.

@NowYouListenToMeFella glad to hear your dad is doing ok! That must have been quite the shock!

Thanks so much. Yeah we did get a fright. He'll get there.

Nothing announced today. We're being kept in suspense until tomorrow. Back to lockdown for sure but it's either very shite or super shite.

I've made the decision that I'll be doing a support bubble whatever level we're at. I'll see my family. I'm not spending 6 weeks working from home, going for a fucking walk and my only interactions with humans face to face us in the grocery store.

I've worked for the NHS for over 30 years & you used to be able to predict hospital admissions. Late December was busyish with a big rush to get patients home for Christmas. (It still is.Working in Community, Christmas Eve is our worst day because we get all the hospital discharges to deal with).

Boxing Day afternoon the wards began to fill up with chest pain patients.

Two weeks into January the flu would get going, coupled with icy weather so there would be a lot of fractures. Lots of staff off sick with flu (the jab wasn't routinely offered), & bugs like D&V were rife.

Outpatients would catch it a few weeks later when the inpatients went home but needed follow up treatment.

Summer was generally quieter, better weather, but a heatwave coupled with a big sporting tournament could busy things up a bit. September might bring a few unfortunate patients who had been very unwell on holiday abroad, & needed admission on returning to the UK.

Winters have been steadily bad for years. My grandad died in the late 90s (heart attack) during a flu epidemic & we waited 3 weeks for his funeral because the undertakers were all so busy, & it seemed to be the first time it had happened so badly.

[quote IAintentDead]@NowYouListenToMeFella

I take 8000iu per day in winter and 4iu in summer. And that is now my levels are good. For the first 6 months I took 20,000iu every day then went to 10,000. At the end of this my levels were the high end of normal and my GP said she had to swallow her words as she had thought that would be far too much.

Now I take 8,000iu and 4,000 alternate days in winter and 4,000 daily in summer. (They come in 4,000 gels)

NHS recommends 100ui (I think) and no more than 1,000ui.

Toxicity has only been found in people taking 40,000 daily for a number of months.

The max in one gel you now seem to be able to order is 4,000.

I suggest that you get some 4000iu gels and take them as you see fit.

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And also look at the Vitamin D society website.[/quote]
@IAintentDead do you mind me asking how your levels were and what they’re like now? I was tested as insufficient in July (that was after being outside for hours every day with DS since March) so I reckon they must have been pretty bad before that. I was at 49 nmol, which I know isn’t terribly low but was advised to take 6000 daily for a month then 3000 thereafter. I need to send away for another test to see how they’ve risen.

@AgentCooper

I have had a gastric bypass so i do get regular NHS testing done as it leads to malabsorption no matter my diet

I've not been totally committed in the past to my regime, hence the mixed results. I do take it regularly now and take extra if I miss some.
in 2015 it was just below 50
At my highest in March '17 it was 170 which is HIGH, so I stopped and (of course) forgot about it. By 13 Oct that year it dropped to 100. Which is still fine but a huge drop over the summer. Last time it was 115 that was Mar '19.

The ideal, according to vit D experts is around 150. (These are all nmol/l)

Of course I haven't been able to have any tests done this year.

Your advice seems better than most GPs but, if it were me, I would do 3 month at 8000 and then take 4000.

(I have access to my results online which is very helpful as my memory is shit)

Orchid “ Boxing Day afternoon the wards began to fill up with chest pain patients”

Is that heart problems or indigestion?

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Thought I would share for the Terry Pratchett fans - my cuddly Death of Rats. Takes some explanation when he’s in the background on zoom calls!

Well, I'm up and having my breakfast. For the first time in my career, I'm absolutely dreading work. This cannot go on for much longer.

Saw this today. When will people wake up and see the toll this is taking?

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Saw this today. When will people wake up and see the toll this is taking?

That made me cry, it's just so tragic. I have some involvement with students, and I'm terrified for this year's, particularly the first years. Someone needs to be held accountable for these avoidable deaths.