Not another trans thread, but a question to employers/managers

[CatsArePeopleToo]

If somebody reported that your employee is a TERF, would you fire her?
Asking this, because doxxing and harassment of women is obviously a thing.

I would investigate their grievance. If the employee had breached their contract I would follow the disciplinary process.

And what would trigger disciplinary process? Online presence? Participation at an event? Publishing something, like a blog or an article?

Genuinely concerned how much reach do the TRAs have.

Probably depends too much on the employer and the accusation?

@HUCKMUCK

I would investigate their grievance. If the employee had breached their contract I would follow the disciplinary process.

Agreed.

But I’m more likely to be in trouble tbh as my employer has decided to have men’s and gender neutral bathrooms and I’m all for kicking up a stink about it

Yes, I'd fire someone for transphobia. Our company policy clearly states that behaviour like that won't be tolerated, regardless of when and where it takes place, including online.

@Ohalrightthen

Yes, I'd fire someone for transphobia. Our company policy clearly states that behaviour like that won't be tolerated, regardless of when and where it takes place, including online.

What do you class as transphobia?

@Ohalrightthen

Yes, I'd fire someone for transphobia. Our company policy clearly states that behaviour like that won't be tolerated, regardless of when and where it takes place, including online.

Please define transphobia.

Ohalrightthen

Could you please be more specific? What kind of behavior would be a sackable offence?

@Sexnotgender @everyplanethasayorkshire off the top of my head, in our employee handbook we are warned that we will be terminated for "discrimination (including discriminatory language) against any individual on the basis of religion, race, disability, gender indentity or sexuality" so that, in a nutshell. A man was let go from our company last year for repeatedly misgendering one of our colleagues. We've got a zero tolerance policy for bigotry, it's one of the reasons I'm so proud to work where i do.

So I see a guy was deliberately rude to a colleague. That's a different story.

Interesting you don’t include sex in your list there. It’s a protected characteristic in the equality act 2010.

A phobia is an irrational fear. Wanting to protect women's rights, their right to compete safely and fairly in sport etc etc is not irrational. So yes, please define "transphobia".

@Sexnotgender

Interesting you don’t include sex in your list there. It’s a protected characteristic in the equality act 2010.

It's more than likely in there, as i said, i don't have it in front of me.

[quote Ohalrightthen]**@Sexnotgender* @everyplanethasayorkshire* off the top of my head, in our employee handbook we are warned that we will be terminated for "discrimination (including discriminatory language) against any individual on the basis of religion, race, disability, gender indentity or sexuality" so that, in a nutshell. A man was let go from our company last year for repeatedly misgendering one of our colleagues. We've got a zero tolerance policy for bigotry, it's one of the reasons I'm so proud to work where i do.[/quote]
But what kind of language would you deem to be transphobic?

Obviously repeatedly misgendering someone is not nice but it's also worth pointing out that a lot of people with autism or learning difficulties struggle with pronouns. Would you take something like that into consideration before sacking them? I hope so considering you mentioned disability being a protected characteristic in your handbook.

I did notice however that sex wasn't mentioned on your list. Would you sack someone for repeatedly being sexist?

Never mind x post.

@CatsArePeopleToo

So I see a guy was deliberately rude to a colleague. That's a different story.

It was much more subtle than overt rudeness. He didn't use his deadname or pronouns, but used "they" repeatedly instead of he/him as requested, and pretty much avoided using his new name, referring to him by his job title wherever humanly possible. But was totally polite and pleasant the whole time. It was a wildly uncomfortable situation and we were so fucking relieved when he got the boot.

So sex could be in there It's interesting though that you seem to have forgotten to include it on your list here.

I would certainly discipline someone for discriminatory behaviour. However, I would not take it as a given that someone being called a TERF had necessarily behaved in a discriminatory way. If they had merely expressed gender critical opinions in a respectful manner, then I would consider that they were entitled to those opinions.

So he wasn't actually rude to the trans person and you admit yourself that he was always pleasant. Okay then.

wow, someone was sacked from their job for not using he/him pronouns? They used they/them so weren't actually using incorrect pronouns, just not using the new preferred ones? Are you actually serious? And suggesting it was a progressive move? That's scary as fuck. Terrifying.

@EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire

So sex could be in there It's interesting though that you seem to have forgotten to include it on your list here.

I think i also left out nationality, and potentially parental status?? I have a teething, coldy baby and am profoundly sleep deprived.

@goose124

wow, someone was sacked from their job for not using he/him pronouns? They used they/them so weren't actually using incorrect pronouns, just not using the new preferred ones? Are you actually serious? And suggesting it was a progressive move? That's scary as fuck. Terrifying.

It also doesn't make sense because surely you only use pronouns when talking about that person when they're not there? If you're talking to that person directly that you use the pronoun 'you'.

I'm also curious to know how this would have been handled if someone was referring to a non trans person as they/them. Maybe it's just me but I don't know anyone, trans or otherwise, who would care about being referred to as them.

someone using the pronoun 'they/them
' for only one person, and that person happens to be the only trans person, and who has expressed a preference for another pronoun along with saying - i would like to ask the analyst over there, rather than i would like to ask name over there like they would normally is aggressive. if it is regular then it is bullying. and it is not someone not quite understanding.

sometimes being polite is a smoke screen for batshit and nasty behaviour and i think the person who was sacked sounds horrid

@Sunshineboo

someone using the pronoun 'they/them ' for only one person, and that person happens to be the only trans person, and who has expressed a preference for another pronoun along with saying - i would like to ask the analyst over there, rather than i would like to ask name over there like they would normally is aggressive. if it is regular then it is bullying. and it is not someone not quite understanding.

sometimes being polite is a smoke screen for batshit and nasty behaviour and i think the person who was sacked sounds horrid

Possibly. I still don't think people should be forced to use peoples preferred pronouns if they don't want to.

@Sunshineboo

someone using the pronoun 'they/them ' for only one person, and that person happens to be the only trans person, and who has expressed a preference for another pronoun along with saying - i would like to ask the analyst over there, rather than i would like to ask name over there like they would normally is aggressive. if it is regular then it is bullying. and it is not someone not quite understanding.

sometimes being polite is a smoke screen for batshit and nasty behaviour and i think the person who was sacked sounds horrid

Yup, it was in front of him, in big meetings, regularly. He was asked, by the man in question, to use male pronouns, and to use his name, was told he was making him deeply uncomfortable, and continued to ignore him. It was grim watching.