Would you refer to this person as attractive or unattractive

[user43]

If you know someone who is really beautiful when they have made an effort with their appearance, when their hair is done, bit of makeup, dressed well etc. But looks really really bad when they haven't made an effort- no makeup, scruffy hair and clothes etc

When you thought about them/ if you talked about them, would you describe them as attractive or not?

What I mean is, what version of them do you think of.

Neither. If i had to describe their appearance maybe id say they scrubbed up very well but was laid back day to day

I'd probably refer to you as unnatractive OP! (judge, talks about people behind their backs).

Most people fall into this category, though, don’t they? Okay - some people are just naturally stunning and some are the opposite - but for most people it’s largely down to grooming, surely?

Unattractive even

Isn’t that the same for everyone?

@DrGachet there's always one 🤣

I am talking about serious extremes. Like head turning when made up, but almost looking ill when not

It depends on their face. If their face is good, someone is never truly unattractive, even when they’re scruffy. So I’d describe them as attractive.

But if it’s not good, they’re never going to be genuinely beautiful even with all the make-up and grooming. So I’d describe them as glamorous.

But why refer to them in terms of appearance at all? Are they kind, funny, a good friend? Surely these things are more important?

I don't know anyone like your extreme of head turning or looking ill sorry.

Why are you asking?

I don’t think that anyone is that good at makeup.

@MacbookHo yeah I see what your saying, good point

@Notverybright I do agree. But in general I feel the whole appearance when put together can change someone so dramatically

I don’t tend to describe people by their attractive Rating tbh. I’d maybe say dark hair or other physical feature I guess.
I don’t know if I’d rate someone who only looked good when made up as being attractive anyway- I don’t personally care for a made up look and people I think are attractive look good without make up too. My lovely daughter for example looks gorgeous with her messy bun and no sleep because she’s a genuinely pretty girl.

I don't think that's possible tbh.

@Isadora2007 I am not really referring to talking about someone, but more about how you think of them.

Your daughter- you would think of as beautiful because she is- made up or not.

But if she looked terrible until she tidied herself up, how would you think of her?
Obviously this example doesn't work because she is your daughter. And she's lovely!

@Isadora2007 you also answered my question thank you

I don't think about people that way op. I think about their lives, the things we share, I wonder if they've solved x work problem, how their children are and on and on.

I don’t tend to use attractive for people unless it’s blokes I’m attracted to (I’m straight). I might say “pretty” or “striking” for a female but I don’t think I’d say attractive, because I am not attracted to them.

Ignoring all the "it wouldn't even occur to me about whether a person is attractive" responses and actually responding to the question....

I would say attractive as some people can make the best of themselves but never be considered attractive by today's standards.

This scenario is so vague and detached from a real experience that I genuinely have no idea what I would think.

Why do you ask OP? Are you trying to guess how someone specific who you actually know is perceived by others? It just seems so abstract and not clear why it would matter

Anyone that needs make up to look attractive is not attractive.

Someone who is attractive is naturally attractive without make up.

I would describe them as I usually see them.

Some people do look very different without any make-up, especially if they have quite pale features that they normally emphisise. If you randomly see them looking very pale, it's not that they actually look ill, it's just that we see few people with that look, and it's a contrast from their usual presentation.

I rarely wear make-up, and then fairly lightly for a bit of polish for an event so people are used to my bare face, and my colouring is fairly clearly defined. No one remarks on it although they often seem surprised tgat I own dresses

[quote user43]@DrGachet there's always one 🤣[/quote]
...or two.
If you are referring to yourself, what does it matter what other people think? If you are judging somebody else then stop being some judgmental behind their back.

Attractive isn't about looks, it's about the cut of a person's jib. If they've dressed up or not is beside the point but if they're depressed/hungover/just got a dream job offer or fallen in love is what makes the difference.

Beautiful/good looking is different and I don't know the answer because I genuinely don't care about that shit.