So is Trump being taken to hospital all part of the hoax?

[Asterion]

Lots of people on Mumsnet seem certain that Trump doesn't have Covid at all, and it's all a set-up.

So is going to hospital part of the set-up? And if so, how does it play into the hoax?

Because there are a lot more leaky lips in a hospital than the White House. So I'm puzzled as how this helps the hoax?

@BigChocFrenzy
Children were separated from their parents under Obama too.

And - not to defend any particular policy (as a Brit I don't feel qualified enough for a start), but shouldn't we question the actions of the countries these children are coming from as well? Why are they so desperate to leave? Why is nothing done to demand these countries deal with whatever issues make them so bad that risking family separation seems a better alternative?

Again, I'm not condoning policies but I equally don't understand why this is being seen as an uniquely Trump policy.

@SheepandCow the previous administrations (both Republican and Democrat) separated in only a tiny minority of cases where there was doubt as to the family relationship ie if they thought the child was being trafficked. Trump was the only one to separate children from their parent as a (clearly stated) disincentive to the parents, to then lock them in cages without blankets, soap or toothbrushes.

@TheLastStarfighter Why no condemnation of the countries that these poor people feel forced to leave?
Surely they are the most to blame for this?

Who knows, but this is what I read: www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/02/evidence-trump-telling-truth-about-his-positive-co/?fbclid=IwAR32rKkl7VM1izuGIf1fcc8NolrfEpc-4hOGYsn4Rva99kS5eDN89RtZDss

@SheepandCow because they are two unrelated issues. The fact that people felt enough in danger to flee one country does not make it right for the leader of another country to imprison their children

Why no condemnation of the countries that these poor people feel forced to leave?
Surely they are the most to blame for this?

Sorry but American foreign policy and the War on Drugs for the last few decades are the biggest reason these countries are in the state they are in.

BigChocFrenzy That's not true it wasn't a Trump policy the same happened under Obama. Are you aware of the amount of Illegals that cross over into the USA with children that dont belong to them? Should we just ignore that. The claims of children left without blankets and provisions was investigated and largely de bunked.
Trump was actually one of the first to close the borders at the start of Covid and he was also one of the first single questions of China about the origins of the outbreak.

Do they really lock children in genuine cages without blankets and toothbrushes? I mean, except for possibly one night's emergency accomodation. I find that hard to believe. If it's true that's terrible. And it makes it even more disturbing to think just how bad things must be in their home countries if that's the better option. Why is more not being done to pressure and/or help these countries deal with whatever their problems are? It's terrible that so many people are forced to leave their home towns and countries and friends and families. I remember a close schoolfriend who'd had to leave her home country with her family. She missed her extended family a lot.

www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/03/23/man-dead-from-taking-chloroquine-after-trump-touts-drug-for-coronavirus/

Why wouldn't being hospitalised be part of the hoax? It needs to be convincing.

I agree there's a lot to condemn about US policies - the 40,000 left to rot homeless in LA's tent city for example. But as a Brit I don't feel we have any right to feel superior. We lock up mentally ill people - including children - in police cells because of a lack of safe mental health facilities.

Politics aside. Trump has a child. I've seen some extremely distasteful comments online about his Covid diagnosis. His rival, Biden, has wished him well. It's what normal humans do in these circumstances. Put aside politics.

[quote AntiSocialDistancer]www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/03/23/man-dead-from-taking-chloroquine-after-trump-touts-drug-for-coronavirus/[/quote]
He used a fish tank cleaner rather than medically prescribed for humans hydroxychloroquine. I'm not suggesting it's necessarily of help for Covid but it's ridiculous to use this as an example.
And even if Trump had told people to go out and buy fish tank cleaners, people do have to take some responsibility.

@SheepandCow

Do they really lock children in genuine cages without blankets and toothbrushes? I mean, except for possibly one night's emergency accomodation. I find that hard to believe. If it's true that's terrible. And it makes it even more disturbing to think just how bad things must be in their home countries if that's the better option. Why is more not being done to pressure and/or help these countries deal with whatever their problems are? It's terrible that so many people are forced to leave their home towns and countries and friends and families. I remember a close schoolfriend who'd had to leave her home country with her family. She missed her extended family a lot.

Who knows but I do know every of his supporters who chant build that wall always justify by saying “so? They are criminals and criminals get taken away from their parents all the time, maybe this will make illegal think twice before crossing the border” every single one of them.

Back on-topic

Why did they fly him to hospital? It seemed overly dramatic. I looked it up and it’s less than 10 minutes by car (assuming motorcade with lights). It took 6 minutes by helicopter. And it clearly wasn’t a blue-light emergency because he strolled from the helicopter to the waiting car rather than being rushed into a wheel chair. So why take the chopper unless it was for show?

Why is more not being done to pressure and/or help these countries deal with whatever their problems are?

For someone that clearly knows absolutely nothing about Central America, Mexico or American interventionism in that region in particular (and many others generally) I suggest a great deal of reading.

I've spent many decades outraged at what the US has done to the people of El Salvador, Nicaragua, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and others. I've been there, I have friends from there. It's not about pressuring them to do better. It's been a systematic campaign of war, interference, murder, torture, rape and the support of dictators and utter murderous scum.

Start with Iran-Contra and go from there. The people of these countries have been trying very hard to better their lives where they are. Constant interference by various American leaders, the worst of which I would argue was George Bush senior including his disastrous reign at the CIA, supporting right-wing dictatorships in the region, have left the region poor, demoralised and dependent.

America made it's own bed. And to let children suffer and die and the choice is to do it in Nicaragua or the US, it's repulsive. These countries are owed.

If you have a very strong stomach, Google Operation Condor.

TheLastStarfighter, that’s trump,he is a very high maintenance man.

I guess we won't see him roll up his sleeve for the cameras for a dose of one of his 'warp speed' vaccines then.

My immediate reaction was that it was a hoax, now I don't think even someone like Trump would be so stupid.

He didn't need to go to hospital, if he was seriously ill a well equipped suite in the White House with doctors and nurses on hand would have served as well, if not better. He is obviously not too bad as he wasn't carried out to the helicopter on a stretcher. However, being admitted to hospital is making a statement.

@WiserOwl

Well, it's a military hospital not a normal hospital.

I don't know if this proves he does really have it.

I can't decide.....

It's the hospital the President would go for anything from the White House. Reagan went there when he was shot. It's got a secure suite set up for the president at all times so it doesn't really say anything.

He was there the last time he needed hospital treatment (which they never really clarified what he needed).

@TheLastStarfighter

Back on-topic

Why did they fly him to hospital? It seemed overly dramatic. I looked it up and it’s less than 10 minutes by car (assuming motorcade with lights). It took 6 minutes by helicopter. And it clearly wasn’t a blue-light emergency because he strolled from the helicopter to the waiting car rather than being rushed into a wheel chair. So why take the chopper unless it was for show?

Most likely the security services will have ordered it like that. Much easier to safely organise at the last minute than trying to get through traffic at 5.30pm.

I doubt he had much of a choice in it.

Jon Sopel said that the White House has a small fully functional and staffed hospital within it, so going to an external hospital indictates a significant issue.

But he walked to the helicopter, so he can’t be that ill.
Unless they are anticipating he may get much worse, and thinking that footage of him walking to the helicopter now is far better than him being wheeled or stretchered to it later.

BelleHathor You may wish to read that link you provided (re: Trump calling the coronavirus a hoax) more carefully. I've added in some bolding to help you out.

An extract:

'Trump actually said the phrases “the coronavirus” and “this is their new hoax” at separate points. Although his meaning is difficult to discern, the broader context of his words shows he was railing against Democrats for their denunciations of his administration’s coronavirus response.'

I don't think this is exactly an exoneration.

I really want them to present him with a medical bill when he leaves. And be left with expensive medical issues for life that he has to pay for so he can get a taste of what others go through.

He'll come out of this in a few weeks stronger than ever, proving his theory that masks aren't needed and it's all a con.

Whoever thought this one up will get a medal

It's a hoax and fake news and a way to win sympathy, avoid debates and maybe even push back the election date. Slippery fucker