ADs skipping to school - and that's only the parents

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Just a friendly reminder not to fall for hijacking attempts.

Waiting to hear on what will happen with the kids' scout groups that were planning to gather outside as per the previous Scout rulings and had tried to split into smaller groups based on which school the kids went to in order to minimise cross contamination risks... expecting that will be a no-go now and we shall be back to shitty zoom calls (I appreciate the effort but it's awful to try to keep kids engaged in this stuff long term).

I fear the mask exemptions will be soon to go and I won't be allowed anywhere - and they'll be pushing the stores to enforce with the fear of trading standards.

domina was that aimed at me????

@yoikes

domina was that aimed at me????

Nope. I'm not naming the poster who I think might be veering that way - but we've had a load of attempts from people coming in feigning innocence trying to shut us down and these threads keep a lot of people going at the moment as they're often the only place we can be allowed to say that things are shit, that it's all bollocks and have a bad day but cope by seeing the inconsistencies and flaws in it all without being shouted at that we're granny-murdering Trump-supporting covid-deniers.

Ah.
I see.
Always an issue on long running threads, sadly.
I don't consider myself AD or D tbh.
I'm just tired and feeling a bit hopeless :(
I've followed all the roolz - inc the ones i thought were ridiculous - and tried to not terrify my children.
But covid marshalls??
Nope.
Thats a shade too orwellian for me

I think we're all tired and hopeless feeling on here at the moment - give us a few days and we'll be back to novelty shaped rude looking vegetables and normal service.

For now this is my current attitude to the world and it all (don't click if you don't like swearing):

(Apologies to those in another place who've seen it already)

Yep!
That's pretty much where I am! I 😅

I think we’ve all pretty much followed the rules, within reason. But no harm in thinking critically, being pissed off, and questioning.

These threads have been lifesaving, No hyperbole.

Hi everyone - sorry to read the sad stories on this page. I hope you can find relief. Things are difficult at the moment. Good news, kids can go to playgroup. The constant talk of the second wave is draining. I forget about it but you can't avoid it - masks are visual reminders. And also the BBC. I used to love BBC breakfast but now I see right through it.

@Malteserdiet

I am actually open mouthed after that press conference. How any citizen of the UK cannot now be seriously worried about their freedom and individual rights is beyond me. There is a MUCH bigger problem than Covid going on right now and still no-one can see it!!!!

I didn't watch.... And now I'm scared to.

I'm so sorry that everyone is feeling so low today. It really is shit. Were a family of 5 so will have to break the rules if we want to see grandparents or any other friends. And gone will be our forest school classes which is the only toddler group I felt safe doing because its outside in all weathers. So the last half of maternity leave will be spent on my own almost in lockdown again. Ffs. I might as well go back to work- except I work in a school of 2000 children so not the safest place to go back to.

I refused to watch the briefing (Saint Boris, the patron saint of clowns does not deserve my attention), but I have a pretty good idea from MN what was said.

I don’t think this is the only lockdown I’ll go through in my life. I can see them becoming something we go through maybe every decade or so now that they know that people will accept them (and revel in them in some cases!). There is no undoing this.

This is what I was concerned about from the very beginning. The docile and compliant public response has been noted by those aspiring to be the next Oliver Cromwell. This is why I think we should have been rioting back in March. The meek acceptance has shown that the public is extremely easy to manipulate, with just a little scaremongering.

I've been on the hysterical "covid marshals" thread: I'll believe in said marshals when I see them, and I'll try not to mistake them for chuggers. I hope I'm not being too delusional, but unless Saint Boris is planning a surprise attack (could he plan a socially distanced piss-up in a brewery?), his methods are now becoming boringly predictable: hint at a forthcoming restriction, say it will happen tomorrow, "clarify" it at midnight on the day it comes in. It's worth noting there has actually been little or no government enforcement of many of the roolz: just a few token headline grabs to make us think they're doing it. With the existing health-and-safety culture (another abomination), everyone is afraid of being sued anyway, and organisers of dance classes etc. don't want to be stopped, so they do enforce the roolz. Where were those police officers who would enforce face nappies? Is quarantine actually being enforced? They've brought in this latest rule knowing that they have an army of willing enforcers: the public, so as with the face nappies, the government needs to do very little. It was probably planned: "scare the public a week after the schools have gone back, with fairy-dust powered covid marshals". I'm sure this was strategically timed, coming a couple of days after "don't kill Granny".

However, I am really hoping there isn't a U-turn on organised sport: it's been a long wait for that to go back.

@letsgomaths don’t kill granny is so incredibly condescending isn’t it?

Funnily enough, all DH’s and my elderly relatives can make up their own minds. What an odd concept that seems to be! DH’s 92 year old grandfather has been seeing his family throughout lockdown, not even missing a single week. He would rather die. I admit, I first thought he was wrong and should be following the roolz but I was the one who was wrong. Dying (which he might do from CV or from anything else that can hit a man in his 90s) on his own without having seen those he loves would have been far, far worse than us bringing the virus back with us one time.

I've just had a quick glance at the lockdownsceptics website - the first thing I saw was a prominent "Panicked Boris imposes second lockdown". I didn't bother to read on.

Is it a second lockdown? Boris the pathological liar said it isn't. I don't think it is - even with the "six" rule, we can do much more now than we could in April, and the schools being back is a huge step towards proper normal.

I'm a huge cynic of government at the best of times, but even I think those campaigning for our freedom are going too far, playing the same game as the government, with their own scaremongering and spin, calling it a "second lockdown", unless that's coming by stealth, and Boris is just softening us up. Does this mean that I have been brainwashed by the government? (As long as I'm umpiring netball on 28th September, I'm happy.)

Maybe we should get our own covid marshal hi viz vests?

@chocolatesweets great news about playgroup! That has genuinely cheered me up.

I've just been brave & flicked through The Times. Brilliant piece by Alice Thompson about the cruelty of isolating residents in care homes -shame I can't link to it as it was a paper copy of the paper.
And a letter from an older reader who said, in response to "don't kill granny", it was time Hancock admitted we need to learn to die with this virus.

DH has just asked how Snow White is going to cope with the Seven Dwarves, given the new rules. I pointed out they live in the same house so it's allowed, but she's screwed when the Prince turns up. Does give her an excuse to not open the door to the woman with the poisoned apple though.

Does anyone know if my DD’s can visit their GP the same time as their cousin? There will be 5 people from 3 households. My DM is worried it won’t now be allowed now .This has aged my DM, 10 years. I can feel myself spiralling into depression.
No funny allotment vegetables here, but DD’s pet hen thinks it’s a parrot and keeps trying to sit on her shoulders. It could when it was little but it’s too big now. It is lovely, it try’s to snuggle into her neck.

[quote wanderings]@disorganisedsecretsquirrel I see your point that some of the anti-dementors are almost becoming "dementory". I've been accused of a "different kind of dementoring" by vowing to boycott shops, because of the face nappy rule.

Yes, most of us worried about Covid. And what we are now even more worried about is the loss of our freedoms. It looks like the Gov have now taken the view that much of the public have lost all hope of regaining freedom, so they can now spout whatever they like. I don't object to the principle of measures to keep us safe; but what I VERY SERIOUSLY object to is the lying, U-turning and gaslighting that is accompanying them at every turn. If the government are trying to keep us safe, why do they have to lie about it so much?

It also seems that the public (and possibly the Gov themselves) have no idea what the Gov is actually aiming for. Is the government trying to guarantee public immortality? It seems that way. But life has a 100% mortality rate, and is full of risk; what's the point of existing if existence is so safe but miserable?

With my more rational head on, I'm hoping that the Gov is taking the more "depressing and draconian view" for the following reasons:

• Many people are not thinking of parties right now; instead they're thinking of knuckling down at school or work, now that summer is nearly over.
• They think they've caught us off-guard, now the schools are back.
• They want to nip student parties in the bud.
• After a period of being more relaxed, they allow themselves to be "nasty" every so often, so they can appear to be nice later by backtracking.
• They're hoping that they can ease restrictions in time for Christmas, so they don't become Oliver Cromwell.
• If they didn't decide by picking it out of a hat, I think the reason they decided to pick on household gatherings rather than (say) the pubs is because there's no treasury income in household gatherings, and people are less likely to follow roolz. Organised gatherings don't want to be stopped in their tracks, so (at the moment) they'll be making every effort to stay on the right side of Saint Boris.

Yes, we must keep a close watch on our freedoms. So far it has mostly been hot air with little actual enforcement, especially with the face nappies (a few token incidents have made it to social media). I'm sure the "covid marshalls" is just to get the vigilantes fired up. Will they issue the covid marshalls with bullet-proof vests, like parking attendants have to wear in parts of London?[/quote]
Thank you ... that explains your view very .

I just don't know which way to go.. I have no spleen and am susceptible to pneumonia and sepsis..

What should I do ?

Are not a fuck and carry on a 'normal' life and risk leaving my children without a parent ..

Or

Wrap myself in cling film and never go out . I really really don't know which way to go.

What would YOU anti dementors do in my position right now ?? This disease WILL almost certainly kill me .

I'll definitely believe the Covid marshall thing when I see it. I can't see a government run by people who couldn't find their arse with both hands filling our streets & squares with an army of uniformed Covid coppers any time soon, especially as it'll be outsourced to Serco or some other bunch of Tory-donor-run incompetents. If they ever manage it, my big concern will be poor training and lack of oversight & accountability. Half them won't even know the rules & they'll go for easy pickings....you just know they'll walk right past the large gang of menacing yoof looking the other way only to zero in on some lone middle aged woman who hasn't got a mask or whatever.

I'm just back from lunch (etc) at my best friend's house.

She got back from 6 weeks in France last week so is isolating. She has her own house in a village in France that has had no cases of Covid at all. Ferry home, they had a cabin.
The chances of either of them having it are pretty much the same as mine - last time I shopped was 10 days ago.

We started in the garden and then went in the house when the sun disappeared. We hugged before I came home.

We will continue to meet up in a similar way. Stuff the fucking rules

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Well I for one think it is FINE to be a dementor when it comes to being concerned about the restrictions. You know why?

Because the restrictions pose a very real threat to all of us, which, the virus does not.

The virus is not a threat to me. It would likely be a mild illness - and alright i could be the poor sod who is the one in a million healthy people who carks it, but in my mind, that puts it on the same level as chicken pox, and, giving birth for example. Both of which I have experienced.

With regards to this long lasting covid or whatever they're labelling it these days - again, shit happens. I've got liver damage from having glandular fever as a teenager. Am I happy about it? No. Does it effect my life? Sometimes. Would i warn people against going out in case they suffered the same fate as me? Would. I. Fuck.

Boris is a threat to me. His restrictions are a threat to me. My own mental health is a threat to me.

It is so damn obvious from this thread alone that the real risk here is the swift decline in people's metal health.

Don't forget the distinction between dementor and critical. The dementor feeds on the misery and sucks away the hope and happiness. The critic acknowledges it's shit, looks at the hypocracy, picks at the holes in the logic, offers comfort to those who need it and looks forward to the better days when sense will prevail.

@BogRollBOGOF that's an incredibly good point actually. Though I am struggling looking forward but I'm certainly not enjoying it or trying to drag anyone else into my current misery that's for sure!

I'm very confused about the New Rules of Six. I grew up in a family of 8...would we be illegal just living in our house??
I also don't really get why people are asking each other "can I meet this person in this place"? etc. Maybe it's just me and the feral street urchin way I grew up but I'm taking no notice of New Rules whatsoever and continuing to exercise my common sense. It's so nuts I can't even deal with it.
Anyway to all the people feeling low and sad. It's good to know it's not just me.

@Thanksitsgotpockets

Maybe we should get our own covid marshal hi viz vests?

I bet they will be the crappy ones you can pick up at any builders merchants. Ooh we could have fun with those

@disorganisedsecretsquirrel my friend sans spleen had pneumonia during the height of the covid deaths hospitalisations in my area. He is 60, now bounced back again, walking and climbing so please try not to worry.

disorganisedsecretsquirrel, I feel for you. Would it help if I suggest that you ask yourself what you would have done this time last year?

Covid is a new virus and HMG and the media are keeping it very much in our minds, but there are many viruses (and bacteria and prions and fungi) that were with us a year ago. Many of them are as likely, some more, to kill a vulnerable person; some people are more vulnerable to one pathogen, some another. Some are more infectious/contagious than Covid. Many have vaccines or treatment but none are 100% effective.

You say you are vulnerable to pneumonia and sepsis. The presence of Covid hasn't changed that. It's one more virus among many. Covid seems to spread the same way as many viruses. What do you do to reduce your risk from those from other pathogens?