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ADs skipping to school - and that's only the parents

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RealityExistsInTheHumanMind · 03/09/2020 09:58

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Littlebelina · 09/09/2020 17:07

crusty jugglers is all I have to say on "covid marshalls"

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 09/09/2020 17:08

Everything in that press conference is fucking depressing.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 09/09/2020 17:09

@Littlebelina

crusty jugglers is all I have to say on "covid marshalls"
the greater good...

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MaxNormal · 09/09/2020 17:11

think this whole thread is all pretty anti - Covid

I can't imagine that anyone in the world would be pro-Covid really.

Malteserdiet · 09/09/2020 17:12

I am actually open mouthed after that press conference. How any citizen of the UK cannot now be seriously worried about their freedom and individual rights is beyond me. There is a MUCH bigger problem than Covid going on right now and still no-one can see it!!!!

WouldBeGood · 09/09/2020 17:16

Covid Marshall’s..??!! Ffs, it’s mental!

wanderings · 09/09/2020 17:37

@disorganisedsecretsquirrel I see your point that some of the anti-dementors are almost becoming "dementory". I've been accused of a "different kind of dementoring" by vowing to boycott shops, because of the face nappy rule.

Yes, most of us worried about Covid. And what we are now even more worried about is the loss of our freedoms. It looks like the Gov have now taken the view that much of the public have lost all hope of regaining freedom, so they can now spout whatever they like. I don't object to the principle of measures to keep us safe; but what I VERY SERIOUSLY object to is the lying, U-turning and gaslighting that is accompanying them at every turn. If the government are trying to keep us safe, why do they have to lie about it so much?

It also seems that the public (and possibly the Gov themselves) have no idea what the Gov is actually aiming for. Is the government trying to guarantee public immortality? It seems that way. But life has a 100% mortality rate, and is full of risk; what's the point of existing if existence is so safe but miserable?

With my more rational head on, I'm hoping that the Gov is taking the more "depressing and draconian view" for the following reasons:

  • Many people are not thinking of parties right now; instead they're thinking of knuckling down at school or work, now that summer is nearly over.
  • They think they've caught us off-guard, now the schools are back.
  • They want to nip student parties in the bud.
  • After a period of being more relaxed, they allow themselves to be "nasty" every so often, so they can appear to be nice later by backtracking.
  • They're hoping that they can ease restrictions in time for Christmas, so they don't become Oliver Cromwell.
  • If they didn't decide by picking it out of a hat, I think the reason they decided to pick on household gatherings rather than (say) the pubs is because there's no treasury income in household gatherings, and people are less likely to follow roolz. Organised gatherings don't want to be stopped in their tracks, so (at the moment) they'll be making every effort to stay on the right side of Saint Boris.

Yes, we must keep a close watch on our freedoms. So far it has mostly been hot air with little actual enforcement, especially with the face nappies (a few token incidents have made it to social media). I'm sure the "covid marshalls" is just to get the vigilantes fired up. Will they issue the covid marshalls with bullet-proof vests, like parking attendants have to wear in parts of London?

TheOrchidKiller · 09/09/2020 17:42

Saw a tiny bit of the Doom Show & walked off.

The 3 wise monkeys up there reminded me of my whole year group at secondary school (300 of us) getting a bollocking in assembly once.
"You are the worst year we've ever had, aren't they Miss X?!"
"Yes, they are a disgrace, Mr. Y!"
I think a few of the boys had been playing up but the senior staff on the stage weren't saying. (With hindsight, the "naughty boys" in my year had problems at home, & quite possibly today would be diagnosed with ADHD or similar).
After the assembly we stood about in groups doing the 1980's version of WTF?

To this day I have no idea what we were being told off about, but that press conference has brought back the sense of injustice I had then.

It is not fair. Everything is out of proportion.

justasking111 · 09/09/2020 17:46

After my meltdown decided to go sit on the boat with OH and a book this afternoon so missed the shit show. Reading that link again I reckon Sarah Vine is on mumsnet, loved what she said here.

"Right from the start of the pandemic, it has been this erosion of the everyday that I’ve found so hard to come to terms with.

The vice-like grip of the virus on our freedoms, the way it has made us feel guilty for craving the most basic human interactions: a glass of wine with a friend, a trip to the shops — once normal pastimes, now viewed with the same horror as a Cardinal stumbling across a pagan orgy in full flow.There is more than a whiff of religious zealotry in the way some seem to have revelled in the more draconian aspects of lockdown.

In some cases, it borders on the cultish. They pursue obeisance to the virus at the expense of all else: our children’s education, the economy, jobs, treatment of other illnesses. And anyone who dares question their logic is quickly shut down, accused of being a heartless granny killer.

Indeed, anyone who challenges the wisdom of lockdown risks being branded a virus-denier, in much the same way as anyone questioning the actions of Extinction Rebellion is labelled a climate-change denier — even though both stances, in most cases, simply represent a more moderate point of view."

TheOrchidKiller · 09/09/2020 17:50

When lockdown eased in June (you know, shops other than food shops opened) there were photos of covid marshalls on our high street. The idea was they'd remind people to keep 2m apart.

I have not seen one at all. There's a popular park just off the high street which was rammed in June/July. To be honest, litter was a problem so the council installed extra bins & closed the park early a few times, but still no covid marshalls.

I saw the police a few times. They drove past the park gates slowly in their van & looked, but didn't go in.

ISaySteadyOn · 09/09/2020 18:07

I honestly don't mean to be a different type of Dementor. I just feel utterly hopeless.

We will be saved to death.

justasking111 · 09/09/2020 18:13

We had police stopping cars coming into Wales or trying to get out, five mile rule, but none on foot on the streets around here. Interesting Boris saying fines, police. What police force in the UK has the man power. Our local force has been sent across to England to help break up a few raves other than that have not seen them for many weeks now.

Interestingly with Caerphilly lockdown six supermarkets in the town have had enforcement notices served on them for not doing what they should be.

Every shop in Cheshire Oaks had a sanitiser station, Ralph Lauren which is a big store had a counter one in one out policy. The small shops had a member of staff on the door directing you to the sanitiser station.

justasking111 · 09/09/2020 18:41

Someone posted a comment that made me curious about a government update re: traffic controls which was updated in May. When I read it a few pennies dropped.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/reallocating-road-space-in-response-to-covid-19-statutory-guidance-for-local-authorities/traffic-management-act-2004-network-management-in-response-to-covid-19

bakingcupcakes · 09/09/2020 18:43

I haven't posted in ages because we've been busy with work and school. It's been so good. I really will be devasted if I can't go anymore because the schools are closed. I'm not even thinking about it from a financial point of view anymore (although mine is the only income so we'll be screwed) it's because we're so much happier interacting with people.

I haven't seen the news or read any threads on here for days and I've felt so much better for it. Someone in work told me about the 6 people thing today and now I've made the mistake of reading the press conference updates. I wish I hadn't. I'd rather not know. None of the new stuff really affects me as we don't socialise much anyway. It just makes me more determined that no weekends can be wasted because we need to do as much as possible before everything stops again.

Flowers to everyone feeling the strain.

TheOrchidKiller · 09/09/2020 18:44

I honestly don't mean to be a different type of Dementor. I just feel utterly hopeless.

Dementors (in the way we would describe them) seem to revel in bad news, in a "cases are going up because people are sitting on benches, now we all have more restrictions, well you reap what you sow, but it's for our own good, we all know it's hard, but tough, better to save one person from covid than go and have a coffee with 7 other people, I'm staying indoors & finding it easy so the rest of you must too," sort of way.

You can be an anti-dementor and still complain about the bad news, complain about feeling isolated & trapped. But it's more like, "cases are going up & the restrictions are really tough & I feel terrible and have empathy for everyone else feeling the same, and I'm worried that critical thinking is not being applied to dealing with all of this."

It is OK to talk about feeling hopeless etc. It's healthy to do that.

NeedWineNow · 09/09/2020 18:48

're the Covid Marshals, I just said to DH that if some little officious Captain Mainwaring type with a clipboard comes up to me and tells me where I can stand and to keep my distance they can fuck right off.

I couldn't watch the Doom Mongers. I'm so fed up with it all.

Bollss · 09/09/2020 18:49

Well I for one think it is FINE to be a dementor when it comes to being concerned about the restrictions. You know why?

Because the restrictions pose a very real threat to all of us, which, the virus does not.

The virus is not a threat to me. It would likely be a mild illness - and alright i could be the poor sod who is the one in a million healthy people who carks it, but in my mind, that puts it on the same level as chicken pox, and, giving birth for example. Both of which I have experienced.

With regards to this long lasting covid or whatever they're labelling it these days - again, shit happens. I've got liver damage from having glandular fever as a teenager. Am I happy about it? No. Does it effect my life? Sometimes. Would i warn people against going out in case they suffered the same fate as me? Would. I. Fuck.

Boris is a threat to me. His restrictions are a threat to me. My own mental health is a threat to me.

It is so damn obvious from this thread alone that the real risk here is the swift decline in people's metal health.

MxEWeatherwax · 09/09/2020 18:51

I’m just had a shitty stressed day at work today. The drive home was more busy than pre Covid and I had to listen to BJ give his speech on Radio 4. I shouted at the radio,that stupid 6 thing. I’ve now had a good cry. I’m done I am going to be a hermit.

JamSarnie · 09/09/2020 18:54

I can't begin to say how I feel about the current restrictions but I am shocked that anyone could be happy about a new law that criminalises people being with 6 others in your own bloody home.

Disgusting.

NeedWineNow · 09/09/2020 18:56

In all seriousness I have felt dreadful today. I was awake in the early hours of the morning worrying about a work thing and the news about new restrictions and I said to DH that I felt the same as I did in March, just a sheer sense of hopelessness with all our freedoms being eroded. I've just heard that my ballet class will still be going ahead so hopefully that will help my MH.

zigaziga · 09/09/2020 19:14

I hate the tone of it all - it’s all “you’ve been so naughty and it’s all YOUR fault that this virus has spread (like all viruses do) so we’re going to take away all your privileges”. I mean, before all this who knew that the government could even do this? Who knew that how many people I have a cup of tea with in my own home is the business of the police?

I don’t think this is the only lockdown I’ll go through in my life. I can see them becoming something we go through maybe every decade or so now that they know that people will accept them (and revel in them in some cases!). There is no undoing this.

zigaziga · 09/09/2020 19:21

I was doing the school pick up today and all parents have to stand around waiting outside the front of school for the staggered pick ups. After I’d picked up I had a bit of a socially distanced chat with a couple who happened to be near me and adults + kids totalled 7.. so from Monday is that now illegal? Maybe if when I do the school drop off and pick up we can all still stand in mini socially distanced groups but text each other instead? Does my talking to someone make it a social gathering I wonder?

Anyway, I’m still as happy to have another family over for a lunch or play date as I have been since June even though we’ll total 8 if it’s two families of 4.

Supermarketworker06 · 09/09/2020 19:25

Did the housework, managed to go to work and not punch anyone so all good on that front, but the temptation to chuck a sickie was strong.
Still no word from the kids to ask how I am (fricking raging still) no sorry for upsetting me.
Still hate everything.

SomewhereEast · 09/09/2020 19:25

@disorganisedsecretsquirrel My response to this always comes down to the fact that there are many different types of 'vulnerable'. Ultimately my aim is the minimise the sum total of human suffering. To me that means balancing the amount of human suffering attributable directly to Covid infections, against the amount of human suffering caused by disrupted education, mass unemployment, a screwed economy, social isolation, the disregard for literally every other form of emotional & physical well-being (from mental health to cancer diagnosis to the fact that elderly people actually still need human contact & can literally die of loneliness) & the suspension of civil liberties. Even vulnerable-to-Covid people are being badly hurt by the measures deemed 'necessary' to protect them. Without over-sharing, DH works in a social work type role which often brings him into contact with the elderly, and so many of them are struggling. He says you can just see the loneliness and the decline in people he knows who were active & independent & out & about twelve months ago. Quite a few of them don't want to live like this either and are pushing back in so far as they can (definitely plenty of grandchild-hugging round our way). I think every single measure we bring in should be a) enforceable b) sustainable ie can we realistically keep this up for the next twelve months at least b) assessed for its wider longterm impact on human well-being.

yoikes · 09/09/2020 19:27

Thats ds2s birthday plans up the spout then.
Oh well.
I'll just have to give the family time slots to arrive in and hope for good weather!
Ds2 had to be picked up from school on Monday lunchtime ill (bad head cold) but he's back tomorrow. He'd been back for a whole 7 days!
I'm helping sell the family home and moving my elderly frail mum into a ground floor flat atm. It's proving rather stressful without the worry of a potential local lockdown :(
We have a holiday booked for Oct half term (NE UK) so hoping that goes ahead but I'm not feeling hopeful.
I suppose that's my issue...not having hope is corrosive ☹