Control your fucking dogs

[ThunderSkies]

I’m so angry. Yet again someone can’t control their dog and my dc is even more afraid due to some massive dog leaping up at their face and mouthing at them (very young, but big dog).

If they have no recall and keep jumping up at people (and are at the mouthing people stage still) don’t fucking let them be able to get out of control.

Dog ran away from owners, out of the garden and my child ran towards the road. I’m so 😡. Why did I come away feeling like my son was to blame for running and shouting (yes it excites the dog, no I can’t stop him doing it when he’s scared and the dog is chasing him). Yes the dog was playing. No, it makes no difference to my child when the dog can jump higher than he is tall.

To those saying report to the police, what exactly do you expect the police to do?
Much as I agree the owner had neglected to keep their dog under control, they'd made a mistake, they apologised. Shit happens.

A lot of anger and pearl clutching on this thread.

Whenever there's a thread about dogs off leads and the problems they cause i always think to myself no one's going to actually own up to being one of the owners who:

• doesn't pick up their dog shit unless they know someone is nearby,
• has never taught proper recall.
• think that a dog being able to get out of an un-fenced garden is an 'accident'.

But they don't need to actually own up. You can see who's who by what they post and you can see exactly who they are when they're out with their dog.

Other dog owners who have spent time and money getting their dogs trained properly see you and judge you too. So don't grin over at me when your dog's being a pain in the arse just because i have a dog with me as well and think i'll be sympathetic or find it funny, i wont!

(Before i'm put on the dog hater list i'm not. Great Dane owner)

@roarfeckingroarr

YANBU but I think you should've socialised you're child to not be afraid of dogs while they were young. You can't avoid dogs in the UK!

Here’s the problem with people saying things like this (sorry to pick you out, but it was easiest to quote).

My son never used to be afraid of dogs. His fear developed after being bowled over/ jumped at one time too many.

My son did NOTHING wrong yesterday. The dog came bounding over and I stepped forward so that I was blocking him from getting to my son. The dog jumped up at me (paws just below shoulder height). I pushed him down - and got my hand and wrist mouthed at for doing this. His teeth were on me, but I knew there was no danger. Children don’t instinctively know that (and why should they?! I don’t want dog slobber/ mouth on me and my watch). As I pushed him down, he tried to lick my face (my son was just standing behind me). The dog clocked my son, bounced round me and jumped up to my son's face. My son tried to get round me and the dog loved this, bounded round and jumped up at his face again and this was when my son turned to run (the road was accidental, but regardless, he tried to put distance between him and the dog).

Are some of you really saying that he should have just stood there while the dog was jumping up (presumably to lick) his face?! He tried to turn his back on the dog, but the dog just kept bounding round. All the time, the owner just stood by uselessly. The dog had no recall whatsoever.

Are some of you really saying that if someone or something that was as big as you came over and jumped up at you/ started touching your face you’d do nothing?! When I pushed him down off me, it just encouraged him to jump in my face.

Had the dog come over and sniffed/ walked round him at ground level, my son would have stayed still.

To those calling him a puppy. He’s a young dog, but not a puppy. Think 17 year old teen in human terms.

I’m on both sides of the fence on this one.

As a dog owner I’m not up for a dog jumping on me - my own dog or anyone else’s. I meet up with lots of other dog owners and, on the whole, most dogs are are not a problem. There is, usually, one or two who make a nuisance of themselves.

People don’t notice things/people that don’t affect them such as -

There could be 30 children in a supermarket. The ones you’ll notice are -

1. The toddler who screams incessantly
2. The kids who make a nuisance of themselves zooming around the supermarket on those heelys/scooters
3. The kids who run around the store picking up packets and putting them back, allowing them to fall to the floor
4. The kids/adults who have to squeeze every fruit before deciding on which one to put in their trolley

The same goes if you are having a quiet drink with friends. There may be 80 other people in the pub at that time. The one you’ll notice is the drunk, noisy one making a nuisance of him/herself or the one who has to make sure everyone hears his/her conversation - littered with profanities...... and the list goes on.

In OP’s case yes I agree a puppy/dog shouldn’t have been outside, jumping on people. But we all have to put up with things we don’t like. I’m a bit meh 😒 that someone has made a song and dance about a puppy jumping on an 11 year old.

I think a lot of posters are picturing the Andrex puppy OP :)

My dogs are the size of a Labrador when they are still only 5 months old so i get you.

@TeensArghhhh

I’m on both sides of the fence on this one.

As a dog owner I’m not up for a dog jumping on me - my own dog or anyone else’s. I meet up with lots of other dog owners and, on the whole, most dogs are are not a problem. There is, usually, one or two who make a nuisance of themselves.

People don’t notice things/people that don’t affect them such as -

There could be 30 children in a supermarket. The ones you’ll notice are -

1. The toddler who screams incessantly
2. The kids who make a nuisance of themselves zooming around the supermarket on those heelys/scooters
3. The kids who run around the store picking up packets and putting them back, allowing them to fall to the floor
4. The kids/adults who have to squeeze every fruit before deciding on which one to put in their trolley

The same goes if you are having a quiet drink with friends. There may be 80 other people in the pub at that time. The one you’ll notice is the drunk, noisy one making a nuisance of him/herself or the one who has to make sure everyone hears his/her conversation - littered with profanities...... and the list goes on.

In OP’s case yes I agree a puppy/dog shouldn’t have been outside, jumping on people. But we all have to put up with things we don’t like. I’m a bit meh 😒 that someone has made a song and dance about a puppy jumping on an 11 year old.

Yes but my children are the ones who behave 🤷‍♀️

@Laiste

I think a lot of posters are picturing the Andrex puppy OP :)

My dogs are the size of a Labrador when they are still only 5 months old so i get you.

Thank you

I think a lot of posters are picturing the Andrex puppy OP Yup! Not so easy when you own a bouncing Land Shark

Yes but my children are the ones who behave

Maybe so but the kids you’ll notice are the ones who don’t 🤷🏻‍♀️

@roarfeckingroarr

YANBU but I think you should've socialised you're child to not be afraid of dogs while they were young. You can't avoid dogs in the UK!

It would be much easier to socialise kids around dogs if more of the dogs we know/meet were trained and well behaved. It wouldn't have helped my sister avoid getting her leg smashed though, she loves dogs and was walking her own when a massive dog jumped on her and knocked her over twice while it's hopeless owner looked on. I am not anti-dog have one myself, but he has rubbish recall so he is kept on a lead

Our lab is a big boy, very strong and looks like a bear from a distance (soft as anything but that's beside the point). We worked so so hard to train him (and still do as things like recall have to be reinforced otherwise they won't bother). We have friends with small children so it wasn't an option for him to jump up at all. As a result he is so laid back and a very well trained dog and wouldn't dream of running up to other people. If he senses another dog is up for a play then he'll go but only on our say so.

I think too many people have dogs and don't understand the time and effort it takes to train them in order for them to be under control at all times. Dogs are so easily bought without any knowledge of them and it isn't long before you just get a badly trained dog who may not be a danger but will be a complete pain to society and make the owners life super stressful.

I hope your little one is okay and not too terrified going forward-It must have been really frightening for him.

@unicornpower
He’s not a ‘little one’ he’s 11.

@ThunderSkies
Did you not call out to owner to get her dog?
Yes their garden should be secure but an 11 yr old running into the road is a bit OTT, the dog was clearly friendly, he’ll not die of being licked but he will die running into the road.

Landshark
🦈
How a very apt, that's exactly the right term

I do think however that some of the comments here blaming dog owners for the mess in parks/countryside etc are a little unfair (i know there are irresponsible dog owners that aren't blameless). We live in a rural beauty spot and the only fields that we walk through have grazing cattle but with public access. We very rarely encounter dog mess but since lockdown we were inundated with day trippers which isn't normally an issue but the amount of litter left behind was atrocious. The farmer has had calves and lambs die from ingesting wrappers/packets and parts of cans and it's just not acceptable. We caught a group of lads throwing their beer cans in the hedges and my Husband told them to pick it up and put it in the bins provided-He got a right earful! I think the mess left behind is more peoples lack of respect for the countryside, whether its dog mess OR litter.

Sorry for hijacking OP but some of the comments about dog owners grind my gears!

I can see why you are fuming. Many dog lovers are very selfish. Think because they know and love their dog everyone else will, disgusting attitude to have and the reason I do not like dogs because of traumatic experience as a child.

Nothing else to say except sorry your son had to experience it xx

What can we do though, is there an organisation that we can join, an organisation that lobbies for better control over dogs?

[quote SBTLove]@ThunderSkies
Did you not call out to owner to get her dog?
Yes their garden should be secure but an 11 yr old running into the road is a bit OTT, the dog was clearly friendly, he’ll not die of being licked but he will die running into the road.[/quote]
She was there 🤷‍♀️

1 licking won’t kill, but who wants to be licked?

2 how do you know (if you’re afraid or are less adept at reading dog body language) that when the dog jumps up to your face that you are going to be licked or bitten until it’s too late?

3 of course the road was dangerous, but he doesn’t randomly just run into roads.

4 he stood still and did the right thing in spite of the dog mouthing (with teeth) my wrist, jumping on me and my face and into his face twice before he cracked .

Again who else would just stand there? If the size of the dog was proportionally bigger compared to adult size, I bet many adults would have done the same.

No I wouldn’t run into a road because a dog jumped or licked, if you learned some dog body language you would know if a dog is a threat or not.
Tbh you come across as a drama queen and clearly pass that to your son.
Did you speak to owner and say get your dog? or just stand there silently?

Bloody hell! Try reading what she has already written!!!!

@CuriousaboutSamphire
I’ve asked twice if she spoke up or stood there like a wet lettuce: no reply.

I am pretty certain she covered that in an early post.

And people will tend to ignore posters who choose to insult them....

[quote SBTLove]@CuriousaboutSamphire
I’ve asked twice if she spoke up or stood there like a wet lettuce: no reply.[/quote]
I was busy dealing with the dog - I've explained what happened many times in this thread, and of course I told her to get him. But why should I have had to? She could see everything that was happening.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

I was thanked by two people recently for putting my dog on a lead when I saw them approaching.

I was quite taken aback. They were both (separately) quite effusive in their thanks, saying how much they disliked dogs jumping at them. I put my dog on a lead because she's a nervous, reactive little cowbag and not to be trusted around people or other animals. But their thanks made me feel I'd behaved 'properly' and made me far more likely to do it again (ignoring the fact that I have to or she'd be liable to chase, bark, jump and generally make a nuisance of herself).

Maybe if more people thanked people they see taking control of their dog, more people may be inclined to do it?