How are you feeling about another lockdown?

[RosieLemonade]

I’m feeling frustrated and sad for people who work in industries which are just starting again and anxious about my DD not being able to attends school as her grandparents can’t pick her up.

@AlternativePerspective

It’s because of the “fuck you I’ll do as I like” types that lockdown is more likely to happen.

The people who refuse to take personal responsibility and feel they should just be able to do as they like.

Bearing in mind that you’re not meant to meet up with others in the pub either, so even if you’re going for a drink you’re not going to be socialising.

The winter holds some interesting possibilities.

Firstly, the fact that the weather is colder means that less people will be outside. The beaches won’t have people on them and there will be less people in the parks and outside the pubs/restaurants etc in the street.

Secondly, there is evidence from other countries that the flu season is a very minimal one this year, and a lot of that is being put down to e.g. increased hand hygiene and social distancing. There’s a lesson in that, it shouldn’t have taken a pandemic for people to suddenly realise they ought to be washing their hands.... and this is something which surely should be drummed into children from the moment they are able to understand.

But this is likely why mixing households will no longer be encouraged, because the evidence is that it is because of mixing households that the virus is spreading again, and if people aren’t going out as much anyway (which generally happens in winter,) then household mixing is the way the virus will spread, and it will be better to prevent that where possible in order that the health service isn’t overwhelmed.

There are other positives, the death rate this time around seems to be lower, based on other countries. Also treatments are more advanced now than they were the first time round.

There has been no rise in hospital admissions.

Since the peak on the 12th April, the number of people in hospital has decreased 95.3% from 17,172 to 807.

Over the last 2 weeks, the number of people in hospital has decreased 34.5% from 1,233 to 807.

The majority of people have done an amazing job of following the rules. Ignore the media.

Please stop scare mongering. This is not a second wave.

@Alltneteabagshavegone

Considering there has been no rise in hospital admissions I’d be pissed off. My kids need to go back to school as I’m not a teacher and I’m struggling keeping their education up. I also need to restart my business up as I’m already four months behind. My friends businesses ( hospitality) are teetering on going bankrupt and my other friends beauty salon is basically dead in the water after them gearing up to open last Saturday.

If it comes down to it older people who are most effected are going to have to stay in and we as a community will have to help them out. This cannot continue this way much longer.

How does that work though? The older people have carers coming in, cleaners, need to go to the hospital for extra checks so need public transport to get there, need hospital staff to take care of them. Does that mean that we should also shield all those people that come into contact with them? Including their families? And anyone that uses public transport? And their families? The vulnerable can't live in an isolated bubble because they need more care than the rest.

I agree that something needs to be done but just locking away the vulnerable is not possible without locking away everyone and their family that comes into contact with them. I'm quite happy with distancing and mask wearing, we need measures like that to prevent the spread plus people staying alert regarding hygiene.

I'm in Greater Manchester and the shielded can go out now .
So it's safe for them to go out but I can't see my mum . So has the risk increased or not ? .

It's the way a lot of the rules contradict each other and make little sense that makes people more likely to want to go fuck it.

I'm absolutely tired of it all, we should be easing lockdown SLOWLY (unlike the way it has been done) and yes, schools should be back in September.

I say this as someone who was keen for schools to shut down and who thought we shouldn't have been reopening until September anyway.
But the economy will be shot to bits and there will be so many people out of work, bankruptcies and small businesses going to the wall that we will be in a real mess if we don't get it right. Easing, very slowly, would be better and we could still open schools in September. What needs to stop is those moaning about masks, huge crowds on beaches, large parties with no social distancing or, as yesterday, huge queues at Heathrow with no distancing whatsoever.

The idea that over 50's will need to be assessed and/or shielded is batshit. I'm in my 60's and have more energy than some younger than me...I shan't be locked up again (but I will be following all the usual guidelines of course). Besides, lots of people in their 50's are (as said previously) propping up the economy or else doing childcare or looking after the elderly.

It is terrible that so many have died and we don't want more to die. But we need to find ways of living with and around the virus, not just shutting ourselves away all the time because it just won't work. Every time we ease off somewhere will see a rise.

And, although I believe schools should open in September, we will see a rise then, and because of it, regardless of whether pubs shut or remain open....

I don't believe we'll go into full lockdown again. A lot of the things being said are just suggestions being bandied around, as usual the media are hyping things up and scaremongering. There's no way they'll tell all over 50's to stay home, although I can see some kind of risk assessment and those being at higher risk because a number of factors being asked to stay at home. So for, example, an overweight BAME 55 male is at much higher risk than a slim, 60 year old woman with no underlying conditions.

The economy won't survive another full lock down and the government won't want to restart the furlough scheme. However I think we could well say local lockdowns, like we've seen in Leicester, or increased restrictions as in Manchester.

I hope and pray that don't do another lockdown or put an end to social bubbles.

The first one almost finished me off mentally if they stop us from seeing my parents and my children from seeing grandparents it will send me over the edge completely.

My DS is due to start school in September and I really hope this goes ahead for his sake as he really needs it.

We are also on a waiting list for my DS to get assessed for autism.

A lot has already been sacrificed or put on hold because of the lockdown and I dread to think what unrepairable damage a second would do to the economy and people's mental health more than the virus itself would do if the government was to do that all over again.

While I feel sorry for those that work in industries which have taken the brunt of all of this I also think personally they should never have been allowed to re open.

I also think we should have all be encouraged more to have stay cations rather than risk travel abroad. That should have really been put off altogether until the following year.

Whilst I really do feel sorry for those working in these industries I do feel our government could have done a better job at preventing this all happening all over again had they not been in such a rush to open certain industries back up so quickly.
You only have to see in the news pictures of pissed up people not socially distancing it was always going to be a recipe for disaster.

The people who refuse to take personal responsibility and feel they should just be able to do as they like.

No, actually I AM taking personal responsibility, and deciding that being in my own garden, with minimal numbers of people, making sure each one is washing hands etc, is far safer than going to a pub full of randomers (which people in the greater Manchester area are currently allowed to do!) And, for what it's worth, I've been following the guidelines and being sensible from day one.

This govt have been a shit show from the start, and they are just making up random shit as they go along that doesn't make sense. I'm sick of them, so I'll continue to be sensible and make my own risk assessments which make a lot more sense than what they are suggesting.

The thought of another lockdown fills me with dread. Absolute horror. My family need to get back to some sort of normal routine, which needs to include school. I’m dreading winter. We will stay in as we did last time, but the thought of being able to go to the pub, but not have friends in the garden fills me with rage.

One of my children is severely suffering with mental health issues and that isn’t going to get any better staying at home for another 6 months. (When your child has mh issues In lockdown, this impacts on the parent and siblings mh too, so our whole family are now struggling).
Dh is over 50. I can’t see his employer (who really looked after him during lockdown) continuing to pay for no work, so no idea how it would work if he wasn’t working. It would be like turning anyone over 50 into temporary pensioners. The country can’t cope with the pension bill it has now, without adding however many more millions of people in to that category. Without his wage coming in, we would be eligible for universal credits, so a drain on the economy. It just won’t happen.

@justdoityourself

The people who refuse to take personal responsibility and feel they should just be able to do as they like.

No, actually I AM taking personal responsibility, and deciding that being in my own garden, with minimal numbers of people, making sure each one is washing hands etc, is far safer than going to a pub full of randomers (which people in the greater Manchester area are currently allowed to do!) And, for what it's worth, I've been following the guidelines and being sensible from day one.

This govt have been a shit show from the start, and they are just making up random shit as they go along that doesn't make sense. I'm sick of them, so I'll continue to be sensible and make my own risk assessments which make a lot more sense than what they are suggesting.

This is how I think too! We have stuck to the rules and it mentally killed us and our toddler. Now DH is back in work and I am due a baby, there is NO way I am sitting in my house alone for months losing my mind when people are able to go shopping and drinking. I will be having my MIL or a friend over, in my garden, SD, and there is (according do science) a very minimal risk of transmission. If a pub is ok, my garden is ok. They have been telling us to use our common sense, so that is what I will do.

@AlternativePerspective

It’s because of the “fuck you I’ll do as I like” types that lockdown is more likely to happen.

The people who refuse to take personal responsibility and feel they should just be able to do as they like.

Bearing in mind that you’re not meant to meet up with others in the pub either, so even if you’re going for a drink you’re not going to be socialising.

The winter holds some interesting possibilities.

Firstly, the fact that the weather is colder means that less people will be outside. The beaches won’t have people on them and there will be less people in the parks and outside the pubs/restaurants etc in the street.

Secondly, there is evidence from other countries that the flu season is a very minimal one this year, and a lot of that is being put down to e.g. increased hand hygiene and social distancing. There’s a lesson in that, it shouldn’t have taken a pandemic for people to suddenly realise they ought to be washing their hands.... and this is something which surely should be drummed into children from the moment they are able to understand.

But this is likely why mixing households will no longer be encouraged, because the evidence is that it is because of mixing households that the virus is spreading again, and if people aren’t going out as much anyway (which generally happens in winter,) then household mixing is the way the virus will spread, and it will be better to prevent that where possible in order that the health service isn’t overwhelmed.

There are other positives, the death rate this time around seems to be lower, based on other countries. Also treatments are more advanced now than they were the first time round.

I don't believe that I am doing any harm by sitting in a garden with a friend or my mum.

So I will be having a 'fuck you' attitude going forward.

I'm done.

We follow the 2m rule, wash and sanitise hands frequently and stay outside.

I know this is doing no harm whatsoever. So I'm not being told I have to isolate myself from my friends and family and struggle alone with 2 kids desperate for normality.

Nope.

Other people who are being fucking idiots having parties not distancing mixing too many households at once etc etc etc... well that's on them. I'm not being told what I can't do because other people can't be trusted.

Another lockdown would be devastating. I worry about the economy and everyone’s mental health. I worry about all the industries which are already struggling and probably won’t survive if this goes on for much longer. I worry about our health. I’m not alone in having had medical treatments delayed, and I know many are suffering a lot right now as surgeries and therapies have been cancelled. I hope that improved treatments for Covid, and/or a functioning tracing system, and possibly even a vaccine, will make it possible for us to live a normal life once more

In all honesty I don't think there will be another nationwide lockdown. The country can't afford it. IF the virus gets out of control in certain areas I think there will just be localised short term restrictions.

That said, the numbers in hospital are still falling. That doesn't stop the likes of the daily mail trying to scare people to death with talks of a second wave.

My mum has text to say she was going to call round but now won't . I've text back to say I'm happy for you to come and sit in my garden if you are .
On the back of me is a field the local football team are playing football.
I'm not suggesting that's not allowed but if they can run around together playing football I can sit in my garden with my mum .
I've made a risk assessment that it's no more risky than anything else . I'm not telling others what to do it's what I'm doing .
I'm sick of being told what I can and can't do , if anyone wants to have a go fine.
Social distancing and mask wearing fine but I will carry on seeing my mum .

@islockdownoveryet

My mum has text to say she was going to call round but now won't . I've text back to say I'm happy for you to come and sit in my garden if you are . On the back of me is a field the local football team are playing football. I'm not suggesting that's not allowed but if they can run around together playing football I can sit in my garden with my mum . I've made a risk assessment that it's no more risky than anything else . I'm not telling others what to do it's what I'm doing . I'm sick of being told what I can and can't do , if anyone wants to have a go fine. Social distancing and mask wearing fine but I will carry on seeing my mum .

This is exactly how I feel.

I have no issue with social distancing and queues and masks and only small groups together at once.

But I refuse to be told I am not allowed to see my parents grandparents and friends. It was hell on earth a few months ago and I am not going back to that place.

As long as the other people are also of the same feeling then nobody will be stopping me carrying on as I was seeing people in a safe manner.

I'm currently upping my anti-depression and anxiety medication to cope with the impact of the last lockdown - I don't think we'd take another one.

My kids - the decline in DD2 was terrifying to watch, to the point if she was an adult she would have been diagnosed and medicated for depression. School took her back in she was so affected. I don't think she'd cope with it all happening again.

We got together outdoors with some of the kids' friends (two sibling pairs - mine and theirs) and the decline in the other kids was terrifying. This was a family with no car a lot of the time who walk everywhere and are always doing stuff - mum does far more outdoors/craft/baking stuff than I ever do with mine - and the kids were bloated, grey faced, struggling to phrase sentences fluently and really in a terrible way. It was awful.

If they lock up the playgrounds again I'm breaking the rules and lifting the kids over the fence. They need the chance to be mobile and physical - and my youngest has low muscle tone as well so needs anything to build her upper body and core strength so she can write... not miserably trudging around the streets once a day.

I live in a country where there was never an actual lockdown.

But if schools and daycares close again, I'm afraid I'll be reaching for the phone and calling my former babysitter and seeing how many days a week she can manage ( probably five days--her other part-times will have packed up). I CANNOT work and homeschool my older child while wrestling with a crying toddler. I did that for 10 weeks and it was absolute fucking hell. My older child was unbelievably distracted, we fell out and fought and had awful rows non-stop. My toddler was spending so much of the day being shouted at or ignored. I could get nothing else done and ended up taking leave from my work. I am not doing this again.

We will also continue meet friends in two-household groups this time (outdoors, masks, hand washing). I simply refuse to isolate myself like I did last time. I did it first time, on the assumption that I was buying the government time to get a proper test-and-trace-and-centralized-quarantine system sorted out. I will not be cooperating next time.

Totally and utterly pissed off about it.

@AlternativePerspective Sun 02-Aug-20 12:55:04
It’s because of the “fuck you I’ll do as I like” types that lockdown is more likely to happen.
The people who refuse to take personal responsibility and feel they should just be able to do as they like.

Hardly an alternative perspective is it? Judgemental and blaming others. You do know the virus isn't judgemental or discriminatory at all, it won't look at you and think 'Oh no, I won't infect this person because they have done as they are told'.

More infections are being detected but hospitalisation and deaths are still coming down.

I would feel for everyone else but for me personally, it would not faze me. I haven’t found it hard because I’ve been lucky when it comes to work, no young DC to deal with, etc. If anything my mental health improved over lockdown. But I really don’t see it coming to that anyway. I am preparing just in case but they won’t want to shut down the entire economy again.

This is how Australia are handling an increase of new cases.

A state of disaster has been declared in the Australian state of Victoria after a rise in coronavirus cases.

Sweeping new restrictions came into force 6pm local time on Sunday, including:

An evening curfew implemented from 8pm to 5am
Those living in the city only allowed to shop and exercise within 3 miles (5km) of their homes
Exercise to be limited to one hour per day
Only one person per household allow to shop
Gatherings of no more than two people
All students across the state returning to home-based learning
Childcare centres to close

@lockdownsunflowers

All this talk of over 50s possibly being asked to stay at home, have they factored in that it's largely the over 50s (mostly women) who are supporting the over 75s?!? How many volunteer groups have lots of over 50s? Am wondering who would shop etc for all these people?

Even worse, how many over 50 still have school children.

DH - 52 - DD is 13

Friend 1 - DDs are 13 and 9
Friend 2 - children are 13, 10 and 5 - they already are shielding since March, just coming out because the children are suffering already.
Friend 3 - DDs are 13 and 8
Friend 4 - DD is 12

These children need to go to school.

I really want to know what the "requirements" are to get the shielding advise.

I would want better crowd control, more police on the street and fining on the spot like I got fined when I accidently forgot to hit the oyster card button and paid the full fine on public transport.

Get pubs to do just table service, no standing, no moving tables together, no ordering at the bar.

Close beaches or make them walking only, no sunbathing, no groups.

There is a lot of mixing of households at the moment but it’s mainly in gardens/parks etc. I doubt this will continue into October or November as it’s too bloody cold and wet. Will people stop mixing or will they take it indoors?

@Lalallama I feel the same. You have described exactly what it has been like in my family too.