Anti Ds We might be locked out of last thread,..but we will never be totally locked dow 👍

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How did that happen?
Taking one for the team 👍

'Re-think face masks in shops' says scientist

Dr Gabriel Scally, a visiting professor of public health, said wearing a face mask "acts as a reminder that these aren't normal times".

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Dr Scally, who is currently working from his home in St David's in Pembrokeshire, said: "I personally think the Welsh Government should think again about making face coverings compulsory in shops because the evidence for it is fairly good.

"But it's not just the evidence, it also acts as a reminder that these aren't normal times and that we've all got to change our behaviour."

I really hope the welsh Government doesn't listen to him.

Walked to next town over and despite it being mid-week and wet it was really busy marked contrast to our city center. There were limits to number in shops - and a few queues outside Primark and Wilko -and hand sanitizer at entrance and some arrows but generally very normal enjoyable experience.

because the evidence for it is fairly good.

The whole world has gone mad. When have we ever made things compulsory in the past because the evidence for it is fairly good.. Turn the person in the street into a vigilante because the evidence for it is fairly good. Force the majority of people into discomfort and the rest into hermits because they daren't brave the vigilantes because the evidence for it is fairly good.

Somebody that is strongly in favour and the best they can, in reality, come up with because the evidence for it is fairly good. when there is other evidence about them being useless at best and downright dangerous at worst. AAAaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I was sad to read how someone was planning on distancing themselves from their kids when school returns. The thought of mine being ill and me not immediately comforting them is just horrible.

www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/mens-style/cope-wearing-face-mask-heatwave/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-weather-how-stay-cool-22483971

Well well well Do you think some have finally woken up and realised they dont want people who have had heat stroke due to face masks clogging up A and E

Hurrah, I had my hair cut today. Hairdresser (non salon) relaxed affair. Didn’t have to wear a mask as she was wearing a visor. I said I was happy to wear a mask, but no I didn’t need to.

Going to try to brave a trip to Tesco Wet clothes and face mask at the ready.

@MaxNormal and @LouisaDurrell 1999 was a particularly bad year for flu. Something like 48k excess deaths that winter. Same order of magnitude as covid actually. Bet the deaths by age graph looked very different too

Phew I am wabbit now! Been out front pulling a gazillion weeds and cutting a million runners if my quince bush. Bloody hot! Got talking to my neighbour properly for first time she was doing the same. Some kids out on bikes belting around yelling and using thier imaginations. Felt ridiculously normal.

Had to come in to cool off but as i need to go for milk i am hoping I can get a parking space and go dip my toes in the sea to cool down. Fingers crossed. Right now i could just walk straight in but it would probably mean paramedics and sad deaths all round.

@Willow2017 remember, only sad if you manage to catch Covid on the way.

@IAintentDead, based on your latest posts, I wish you were my mum. Mine is a full on Dementor and looks down on me for not being a slim athletic doctor like my sister is.

@ISaySteadyOn I’m NC with my sister. She’ll also be full-on D asking what’s so difficult about staying home. She’s single with no kids and rattles about in a big paid-off house. She’s also CFO of a company I read on mn yesterday is shedding staff. Clueless.

maxnormal couldn't agree more! This is exactly what all of us living outside the UK think too.

Have we a title for the new thread
Something along the lines of Anti Ds preferred the old normal to the current abnormal and anti social distancing can do one

Feel free to amend as you see fit

Thank you lovely ADs! The map shared upthread is fascinating. I wish I could show it to a Dementorish friend who is "surprised" I want to send DD back to school in September (having seen a previously happy, creative kid who loved school turn into a lethargic screen addict with no interest in anything that barely ventures outside, hell yeah, she's going back..)
Our local reflexology clinic, which has been a neighbourhood feature for 20+ years, has closed its doors for the last time as they had no idea when/ if they would be allowed to re-open. The therapists were lovely, always did discounts for teachers and nurses (well before the clapping for the NHS..) and it was a really genuine local enterprise that tried to do something for the community. So sad to see it go under while three betting shops around the corner are happily open ("socially distant!!!") for business.

When I mentioned that I found this all really sad and it didn't seem right, I was surprised at how "meh, shit happens" people were about it.

Today I have mostly been talking to the dementors about that map, & pointing out that in a population of 300,000 there are approx 18 cases max.

Well, there's still going to be another lockdown in winter, apparently, & death is lurking round the corner. No one out there is taking the roolz seriously. People are standing too close. All said before leaning in to hand me something/show me a photo on their phone.

There's more risk of heat stroke & dehydration this weekend than covid. We have never got hot weather right in the UK. First sign of sun in April (in England anyway) & the shorts come out, with lobster red arms protruding from vests (that's the blokes, & if you're unlucky it's no vest). Adequate hydration in hot weather is not met with an orange calippo & 5 pints of lager.

Took my gloves off after a particularly warm appointment today & there was sweat inside. Now that's grim!

Today's data.
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive* - this is the 23rd consecutive day
43 new confirmed cases of COVID-19; this is 0.9% of 4742 newly tested individuals.
262 people were in hospital with confirmed COVID-19 (down 8).
4 people were in ITU with confirmed COVID-19. (unchanged).
27 positive tests are from Grampian and 5 from GG and C, 4 in Fife. 6 Boards have no positive tests with the remainder having 1-2 .
No board has a net increase in patients with Grampian showing a net decrease of 3 and GG and C a net decrease of 4. The remaining 10 boards have 2 residual patients between them.
It is not possible to determine the net flux (balance of admissions against discharges) and discharges as SG does not release these extremely important data.
Some weekly modelling data.
The Rt (with all its caveats with extremely low levels) was reported as between 0.6 and 1. Interesting this is SAGE consensus (a lot of "scientists" sticking fingers in the air and guessing)! I find it odd as Scottish Government's own modelling shows an upper limit of around 0.75 with much tighter confidence intervals of between 0.7 and 0.75. This suggests lack of confidence in SG modelling data.
The value for the infectious pool today (7th August) centres at 200 people with a range of 125-325 and a continuing decline of 24%.
This equates to a central estimate of 1 in 27700 (0.0036%) of the Scottish population being infected with a range of 1 in 44320 (0.002%) to a maximum of 1 in 17046 (0.0058%).
What we see is an epidemic in sustained decline. There is pattern of positive tests but little correlation with disease, as measured by hospital trends or deaths. These statements are supported by Scottish Governments own data.
A similar pattern is evident in the rest of the UK and Europe, with falls in hospital and ITU occupancy set against increased test numbers, often with a decline in the proportion of positive tests. It is increasingly difficult to view governmental policy as explicable other than through incompetence or the wilful denial of the evidence - with respect to test reliability in the absence of a symptomatic disease state.
*This is based on those who were tested positive within 28 days and died. Hence a further reason why in weekly NRS data 4 people were reported to have died in hospital - they had been in hospital beyond 28 days. odd that patients continue to be counted in hospital numbers despite clearly having been in longer than 28 days. The exception is if COVID-19 is acquired in hospital the patient is removed from the list when they are presumed no longer infectious, Sadly it is hard to explain this variance in practice without becoming suspicious of data manipulation or gross incompetence.

Yet today NS has said masks are to be worn just about everywhere.
No queueing allowed outside but only 4 people in a takeaway or small shop so how the hell to you stop a queue? Oh but...its ok to queue if you stand apart! So why the hell not just say all people in queues outside need to be 2m apart?
Make your f'ing mind up! Stop trotting out 'rules' that make no sense!

[quote countrygirl99]@Willow2017 remember, only sad if you manage to catch Covid on the way.[/quote]
I bet they would have tested me before they dragged me out the water! And if by some miracle it was +ve I would be classed as a "Sad death" and therefor the paramedics and the hospital staff would all have perished sadly due to me!

Orchid It will be just like March, bodies piling up in the streets, 100 of thousands dead. Oh wait....

@Willow2017 they would probably decide it's just safer to assume you had it. After all why else would you drown.

[quote countrygirl99]@Willow2017 they would probably decide it's just safer to assume you had it. After all why else would you drown.[/quote]
Oh thats probably true, nothing else is deadly these days!

No queueing allowed outside but only 4 people in a takeaway or small shop so how the hell to you stop a queue?

Simples! You do what our borough council have done about the dangerous traffic queues outside the local recycling centre & do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING You acknowledge the concerns of local residents that the queues are a bit dangerous & might well result in an accident, right opposite a primary school, but you remove the successful queue-management system 2 weeks after implementing it, & ask the people who have been having a good old clear out during lockdown to not queue. "If you see a queue, go home & come back another time"
Ideally you will post this tip on social media & not take any other action, other than hand-wringingly complain that the public are flocking to the place.

No one is taking the "go home & come back another time" advice, because why would you if you've got your car full of crap, ready to unload it? You're going to wait in the queue for 20 minutes, not drive home & unload only to repeat the charade tomorrow, & if you block the street it's not your problem.

But it's not the council's problem because they've told people to not queue.

So that is how you officially disappear a queue, without it actually disappearing!

It's also how you disappear a crowded beach : you tell people to go home after they've driven 6 hours to get there, & act all surprised that anyone would even consider going to the beach on a nice day.

Been out all day at the zoo. Folks chilled lots of northern accents, so day trippers or visitors listening to them. What did strike me was two families.

1. I think they were sri lankan mum dad two kids, they wore masks and looked terrified at the lack of a one way system. When I had to back the pushchair out I made a lot of noise so they had plenty of warning.

1. A granny grandad when we were walking over a bridge stream below told a 12 year old with them to turn away and breathe away from us into the stream. The child may have had health issues.

I am not judging by the way but pointing out some people have their own reasons to be afraid of the virus.

OH and I do have a beef with the zoo at Colwyn Bay for financial reasons. Only one in, one out at the only cafe/shed open. The queue was so long it was daft, when I got to front of queue found out why the poor girl on her own in the shed behind huge screens sweating buckets was making lattes, cappucinos, for people @ £2.50 which took minutes, whereas cold drinks ices at the same price took seconds to serve. Time and motion people. I would have put an axe through the bloody coffee machine and said sorry out of order.

@justasking111

OH and I do have a beef with the zoo at Colwyn Bay for financial reasons. Only one in, one out at the only cafe/shed open. The queue was so long it was daft, when I got to front of queue found out why the poor girl on her own in the shed behind huge screens sweating buckets was making lattes, cappucinos, for people @ £2.50 which took minutes, whereas cold drinks ices at the same price took seconds to serve. Time and motion people. I would have put an axe through the bloody coffee machine and said sorry out of order.

One person for a whole zoo full of people they are taking the p!

ADs Im going to the zoo, zoo, zoo. for a new title.

I sang this to grand kids today while pushing them on the swing, I was the only one who still knew all the words. Love that song.