ADs don't want the greater good, give us our crusty jugglers!

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Here you go all, thought it might be my turn again.

@LadyOfTheImprovisedBath

Coronavirus: UK lockdown solidarity 'starting to fray'

Prof Robert West from University College London, a member of the behavioural science group which feeds into Sage, said the level of concern people feel about the virus was easing, and was even lower among young people.

He said this level of concern was the "key thing" which encouraged people to take the necessary action to protect their community. "We need to ramp that back up to appropriate levels."

There's someone who'd like the covid boards on here.

What’s the plan then do you think? Release some more videos of young people gasping for breath in hospital to petrify people again? The BBC will be all over that. Then a week later they’ll realise actually they need the young people out spending money, and the message will change again.

@Orangeblossom78 All MH down here is telephone/video call. We are fed up of it, it only suits a small percentage of patients and even then it isn't a patch on f2f. Royally fucked off with services being restricted.

(I mean, obv not ALL - you can't blow dart an injection... but they tell us only 'emergencies')

My step father is suffering from a dementia type condition (it's not technically dementia, but rather the result of multiple past TIA/mini strokes...but same effect). My dm was telling me that the memory clinic are proposing to do an assessment via zoom. They have an iPad, and are in their late seventies. When I've attempted zoom calls with them in the past it's involved 10 minutes of talking my dm into the zoom bridge, and then another 10 mins of looking at my dm's left nostril, while my step dad hovers and looks confused in the background. I mean, seriously. FFS, what's the point?

Those are the same group who advised we need a sense of 'personal threat' to comply with lockdown right?

More terrifying adverts then - they have the rainbow ones now don't they
It's pretty grim to keep frightening people like that.

I can imagine dementia patients being totally confused and frightened by Zoom. I am already and not with dementia.

What’s the plan then do you think? Release some more videos of young people gasping for breath in hospital to petrify people again? The BBC will be all over that.
Then a week later they’ll realise actually they need the young people out spending money, and the message will change again.

Exactly that I think.

What was that one 'pretend you have got the virus' or something? I think people will weary of it though.

On a different note I've realise why I hate painting.

DH points out every tiny error I make - isn't bothered when he does it or the kids. Had one teen helping paint walls and another is painting their room - making huge mess going over onto ceiling and floor- that's all fine. I clean up what I could of the teen rooms mess.

When the kids leave home I think I'll insist we get someone in to paint the house - which he'll hate but if he won't and find fault with my painting I think it's the way forward.

Maybe this one www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/04/02/stay-at-home-or-people-will-die-government-launches-new-coronavirus-ad-blitz/

Did someone forget to turn summer on this morning in Scotland?

Queen Nicola hasn’t cancelled school. Yet. Gyms are opening 15th sept too!

@torydeathdrug I was an early adopter too. But I thought we were hiding from guaranteed death, bodies in the street and flattening the curve.

When my local hospital sent paramedics down to London because there was nothing to do here... and then this bobbins about eradication I was left scratching my head wondering wtf was going on.

I look at New Zealand and think “beautiful prison” whereas others deem it the gold standard. What if there is NO vaccine?

[quote Orangeblossom78]Maybe this one www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/04/02/stay-at-home-or-people-will-die-government-launches-new-coronavirus-ad-blitz/[/quote]
Lol - must read dates, was actually thinking that this was a new ad the Government was putting out, which just goes to show how I have come to expect mixed messaging from them!

Did you read the bit about the same team did their adverts for Brexit etc? Thought that was apt. Doesn't quite tie in with their 'long summer lunches' does it.

Fingers crossed for the Scottish schools...

@TuckMyWin I did a WhatsApp video call to my son in Finland from my parents. Handed the phone to my dad so he could talk to him from his special chair and he put it straight to his ear😁

@InsaneInTheViralMembrane ... give me Sweden over NZ any day! Much better to deal with a crisis than hide from it.

More interesting stuff from Carl Heneghan from cebm - pretty much sums up my views. Government has been woeful in communicating risk (how much if that was intention), the media have acted criminally & the gen population is depressing.

Thus surprisingly in the Dementor Guardian ... piss off BJ & your ‘nuclear deterrent lockdown’ ... how about acting like a leader & treating the populous like adults.

(I’d be amazed if any of that makes sense - thanks autocorrect!)

Ds just can’t engage with any non fave to face communication - he’s 13 & still hasn’t managed to speak on the phone for example :(

DS(9) got as far as Hello... hello... hello... hello... err... I'm wearing a minecraft t-shirt and then the conversation with his best friend died

That was about 3 weeks in, and the end of that.
DS1 hasn't missed his friends because they don't belong at home anyway. He would if he was in school and they weren't which wasa major reason why the "vulnerable" offer wasn't the answer for us. Not that 5.5 months off was either.

DS1 is down a blackhole today... crouching in a darkened bedroom watching astronomy stuff on youtube. Who knew that if a binary system gets too close, that the stars can fuse to form a peanut star, or that a pair of stars can lose/ gain the other's energy and effectively swap characteristics 😎

Orangeblossom78
I can imagine dementia patients being totally confused and frightened by Zoom. I am already and not with dementia.

We are encouraged to try using video & phone consultations at work, & we do try, but pretty much every patient ends up with a face-to-face appointment, with us in PPE.

Video can be great for some patients. For many, it does not work. They may not have internet access, they may never have been that familiar with technology so trying to deal with it on top of having a neurological or cognitive or communication impairment isn't going to help. They might need another person in the room with them to help, which could mean having to negotiate appointments for when a carer or relative is available, & not every patient wants a relative sitting in on the appointment. Some of them find video distressing.

A patient of mine had a telephone consultation with his consultant. I asked how it had gone. Patient said he couldn't tell me because he has speech & memory problems, which the consultant knows. Patient has been sent an appointment for a face-to-face appointment which says a relative may bring him to the hospital but can't come in. FGS!

I don't know why so many face-to-face appointments aren't happening. Yes, wearing PPE & cleaning stuff takes a bit of extra time, & some staff might be on restricted duties as a result of health/ BAME risk assessments but it's not impossible to run a department.

I'm sorry for everyone who isn't getting what they need. It makes me cross because we're managing to do it where I work.

It's hot out there, some yob shouted at me trying to cross the road (same one warning cars to watch out for pedestrians etc) "F hell woman, what are you trying to do?!

So that was charming. the traffic round here is horrible now. Hot and horrid. Sorry for the moaning but at the end of my tether today.

I think there is a sense that if we are given clarity about risk etc people won't follow guidance and rules etc. Or even if people share any good news.

It's strange, that it is felt that we all need to live in fear to change our behaviour.

@Orangeblossom78

Just read this - made me think of who mainly dies of the virus and who needs protected and it is of course the 80s and 90 year olds etc

www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/u8n2cbq8dy/coronavirus-care-homes-the-ones-they-couldnt-save

This narrative of saving the very elderly from dying...i am not sure it sits comfortably with me in some ways.

I read this article earlier @Orangeblossom78 and it's really about policy failings early on during lockdown when people were discharged straight back to care homes with no testing . Care homes has been ignored in terms of PPE and staff hadn't been appropriately trained so it spread through like wildfire .

I also think we would wish for our elderly relatives to have a 'good death' if possible .

Oh dear. I fear I may have upset some dementors on the “when are we back to school thread. I was asked if I was on glue after I (clearly) joked that there was more chance of getting pregnant from a park bench” than catching COVID in a Scottish school.

I am feeling somewhat bruised. ☹️

But you are right, @cocopops. Estimates of between 200 and 400 active cases in the whole of Scotland.

Say 300 as a midpoint. Then assume that maybe 50% of those are in a care home or hospital. So 150 in the community. Maybe 100 with symptoms, 50 without? Of the 100 who know they have it, only 2 are bams who don't care and are spreading it around. So there are 50 odd people in the WHOLE OF SCOTLAND with the opportunity to potentially pass it on. And you'd have to be within 2 metres of one of those people for 15 minutes.

But wear a face covering and no, swimming pools most certainly can't open .