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[InsaneInTheViralMembrane]

Phew!

Wales - I give up. DIL has a gorgeous home airbnb in Conwy, empty since March, she decided to decorate it from top to bottom, refurb patio, has this week cleaned and bleached it from top to bottom. This morning found seagull poop on patio so set about it with the pressure washer. First guests today since March.

Got home did other jobs, the phone rang guests en-route. How long since anyone entered the building. Three hours she said, only her. Oh that should be OK. wtf...

She has sweated over deep cleaning schedules carries around a clip board to make sure every job done, ticked when done. Clipboard left for guests for peace of mind.

Oh and no deaths in Wales for days now.

Hi Stripeyfeet
People don't want reasons for them not being the best person to police covid roolz they dont want to know that others have different experiences from them. We must all bow down to the Great God that is Covid and fall in line.
Empathy and compassion have left the building.

I did a very small Tesco shop today............in a face mask. Hot uncomfortable , affected my breathing. Had to leave the trolley and go outside for a couple of mins so i could take it off.

However ive never done a supermarket shop so quickly. I power walked around the store at one point i broke into a run.............accidentally knocking over a Mr Kipling cake stand. (it wasnt there on Wednesday) i just didnt see it. I just wanted to get done and get out. So i only got the basics, no browsing to see if i fancied any little extra treats like muffins or chocolate so it might be better for my waistline. So obvs i will also save money. I usually do a supermarket shop twice a week but am going to cut it down to one. Its just too unbearable Anything that gets forgotten we can go without, Thank fuck we have always shopped by putting an odd extra couple of items in the trolley each week. And this was pre Covid

As i masked up ready to go into store i was standing opposite the three pubs I just felt so angry to see one rule for one and one rule for the other right in front of me.

@willow2017 yes! Depressing. Getting a glimpse into some pretty sinister psychological manipulation, and human behaviour. Been reading 1984 again recently, it's actually comforting to gain a sense of clarity as to why I've been feeling the way I do. So many parallels! I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it's so great to get it off my chest!

@RobinHobb it's good thank you! If not a little lonely most people are still working from home but I'm generally just glad to be out the house! It's pretty interesting to be honest if not quite different than what it was advertised as.

RobinHobb I've got this condition which when it flares up has about a 15% mortality rate (nothing related to covid) and it does get things in perspective doesn't it? It just becomes another thing to think about..I'm much more worried about that than covid as it means emergency surgery and yet another laparotomy- tummy so full of scars it looks like a hot cross bun already. I guess you know as well, you survived.

Sockyarn DH is self employed and so stressed and working so hard also. The government payment is not big as averages profit, so not to do with expenses etc...anyway I understand what you mean.

Helena laughing at the kipling cake stand drama! Daft isn't it.

I get pissed off when people compare to the millennium bug. That was a real problem and people like me worked very hard replacing IT system that would have failed if we hadn't. We started working on it in 1995 and had to replace the entire finance and customer service systems. It really pisses me off when people say it wasn't a real problem.

[quote wanderings]@ButterMeCrumpets The media and government "drive of fear" wasn't just at the beginning of this year: it's been relentlessly constant for as long as I remember, with things like the Millennium Bug, your mobile is killing you, there are weapons of mass destruction, immigrants are stealing your jobs, and so on, terrorists are plotting to kill you, you're throwing away too much plastic waste (and now we're being made to do so all the more). The media and the government are CONSTANTLY telling us we're about to die, and they are CONSTANTLY pitting one group of humans against another.

For some people, including me, this totally diluted the message about the virus. I found it hard to believe the virus had any gravity at all, with the constant media drive of lies, spin and doom. Nowadays, it's just so hard to know what to believe.[/quote]
I could've written that post! I'm forty and I can't remember a time when we weren't all About To Die of something or other. I think lots of people our age have developed panic fatigue & are just disengaging from it all. Also one of the reasons I hate the "Lets suspend basic civil liberties if it Keeps Us All Safe" shite is that I remember the same argument being trotted out after 9/11, and just look how well that it went.

I worked millennium eve too to prevent problems.

buttermecrumpets talking to the kids earlier about basically that. A genuinely nasty virus could hit ANY animal population at any time - that’s life!

@countrygirl99 & @InsaneInTheViralMembrane
Apologies for my previous comment about the Millennium bug. It shows my lack of understanding. It was a rubbish comparison on my part. Sorry.

@countrygirl99

I get pissed off when people compare to the millennium bug. That was a real problem and people like me worked very hard replacing IT system that would have failed if we hadn't. We started working on it in 1995 and had to replace the entire finance and customer service systems. It really pisses me off when people say it wasn't a real problem.

Because of the likes of you it wasn't a problem for the rest of us.

There were people predicting the end of the world at midnight, and that planes would just fall out of the sky.

I have no idea whether that was ever possible BUT certainly, on New Years Eve 1999 I wasn't worrying about it. I wasn't worried because I trusted the people whose job it was to sort it, had sorted it. Not to say there wouldn't be some issues but it wasn't a case of planes falling out the skiy

Can the lovely ADs help me with a moral dilemma I have in all this? Please talk me out of my thinking, which is probably totally misguided.

The biggest problem that I see in all this, which I find much more scary than the virus, is how the public swallowed all the massive restrictions in one gulp, with barely a shred of protest, and unhesitatingly sided with the government, against their fellow people. And I think that this is one reason why the restrictions are dragging on for so long, much longer than was originally announced, and continuing even now it's been revealed the risk is very low: we're meekly accepting it, the government have us where they want us, and they'll keep dragging it out for as long as they think they can get away with it, while the public remains docile and obedient.

Now that teeny tiny freedoms are slowly being handed back, like treacle dripping through a tiny hole, we keep being given these "half-measures": you can shop, but you have to wear a muzzle, and you can't try stuff on. You can go to church, but you can't sing. You can swim, but you can't use changing rooms. You can study, but you can't attend proper lectures. You can attend small highly restricted fitness groups, but you can't play team games. You can go to the pub, but you have to hand over your details, and face the risk of house arrest: the list is endless.

Right now, I feel like the only retaliation we have is not accepting these compromises; for example refusing to go to church while the "no singing" rule is in place; refusing to shop while the muzzles are mandatory; refusing to attend the substitutes we are allowed for team sports; and if I was a student, I would be deferring. I just don't want to spend any money until the "rightful normal" is back. I feel that by settling for the half-measures, I'm supporting the (vomit) "new normal", and that the government will think "the plebs are happy with what we've given them, we can drag it out for longer, to show them who's boss, and maybe make it permanent".

I expect I'm being paranoid, thinking completely the wrong way, cutting off my nose to spite my face, and that I'm hurting the very industries I should be supporting. But I do think that the government will only really take notice and restore our liberties if people vote with their wallets. (I am not for one moment suggesting we should all do this; we need whatever pleasures we can get. It's just that I really want to spite this lying and conniving government right now.) So please talk me out of it!

We think covid is bad try being a rabbit with Rabbit hemorrhagic disease a 70-100% mortality rate first found in China in 1984. If this ever mutated you could pretty much say sayonara to the human race.

How is it spread?

The virus is passed from rabbit to rabbit by direct transmission and is present in all the bodily fluids (so maybe coughed, urinated, dribbled or defecated out!). However, it is very stable in the environment (it is estimated to last about 100 days at room temperature, and longer if it’s cold – plus, it is resistant to freezing). As a result, the main route of transmission between colonies of rabbits is by passive transfer – the virus particles stick to the feet of a bird, rodent or human, who then carries them to new and vulnerable bunnies. In the case of pets, not even house rabbits are safe, because the virus particles may be carried in on your shoes, clothes or even your skin. Short of full biosecurity precautions (foot dips, disinfectant washes and showers, complete changes of clothing) every time you visit them, there’s always going to be a chance you’re carrying this deadly disease into the house.

In a rabbit who has been fantastically lucky, caught the disease and recovered, they will shed the virus for at least six weeks (and possibly longer) so must be kept in quarantine for a prolonged time to protect other bunnies.

www.goddardvetgroup.co.uk/what-is-rhd/

Yes, I know what you mean. I keep seeing that there is strong public support behind these new measures. But is that because the public were frightened into them in the first place? Is there now a sense of the government placating the public and reassuring them, based on this sense of opinion? And also a lack of trust overall. It feels a bit like a feedback loop...

@wanderings

Can the lovely ADs help me with a moral dilemma I have in all this? Please talk me out of my thinking, which is probably totally misguided.

The biggest problem that I see in all this, which I find much more scary than the virus, is how the public swallowed all the massive restrictions in one gulp, with barely a shred of protest, and unhesitatingly sided with the government, against their fellow people. And I think that this is one reason why the restrictions are dragging on for so long, much longer than was originally announced, and continuing even now it's been revealed the risk is very low: we're meekly accepting it, the government have us where they want us, and they'll keep dragging it out for as long as they think they can get away with it, while the public remains docile and obedient.

Now that teeny tiny freedoms are slowly being handed back, like treacle dripping through a tiny hole, we keep being given these "half-measures": you can shop, but you have to wear a muzzle, and you can't try stuff on. You can go to church, but you can't sing. You can swim, but you can't use changing rooms. You can study, but you can't attend proper lectures. You can attend small highly restricted fitness groups, but you can't play team games. You can go to the pub, but you have to hand over your details, and face the risk of house arrest: the list is endless.

Right now, I feel like the only retaliation we have is not accepting these compromises; for example refusing to go to church while the "no singing" rule is in place; refusing to shop while the muzzles are mandatory; refusing to attend the substitutes we are allowed for team sports; and if I was a student, I would be deferring. I just don't want to spend any money until the "rightful normal" is back. I feel that by settling for the half-measures, I'm supporting the (vomit) "new normal", and that the government will think "the plebs are happy with what we've given them, we can drag it out for longer, to show them who's boss, and maybe make it permanent".

I expect I'm being paranoid, thinking completely the wrong way, cutting off my nose to spite my face, and that I'm hurting the very industries I should be supporting. But I do think that the government will only really take notice and restore our liberties if people vote with their wallets. (I am not for one moment suggesting we should all do this; we need whatever pleasures we can get. It's just that I really want to spite this lying and conniving government right now.) So please talk me out of it!

I don’t know if it’s paranoid but I agree... I’m voting with my wallet. We’re a fairly high income family and generally spenders, but I’m not spending my leisure time and spare cash on things that are, to me, miserable. I also think maybe I’m cutting off my nose to spite my face, but I’m just not willing to accept ‘the new normal’. And the more people go along with it, the more the government will think we acquiesce to it. I don’t.

That was in reply to wanderings

[quote TheOrchidKiller]**@countrygirl99* & @InsaneInTheViralMembrane*
Apologies for my previous comment about the Millennium bug. It shows my lack of understanding. It was a rubbish comparison on my part. Sorry.[/quote]
But it kind of is. There are similarities

Covid 19 is a problem, and it certainly was back in March when we really didn't know.

At that point the frontline NHS were heroes and made a huge difference and worked very hard. It was very understandable to be worried then BUT we now have a better idea how to treat it and that young healthy people are very low risk but it still does kill a small minority. The fear and panic now is so OTT.

Millennium was a big issue and people with very good brains and skills sorted it for us so on the whole we weren't affected. Some people were irrationally worried until it didn't happen because experts, like you, sorted it. The big advantage there was the government weren't telling us to behave irrationally like they are now.

Today, I have spent my free time reporting vile, abusive, aggressive posts on here. All the ones I’ve reported have been deleted.

@SeaOtterFluff
Totally agree about armband comment

@wanderings

Can the lovely ADs help me with a moral dilemma I have in all this? Please talk me out of my thinking, which is probably totally misguided.

The biggest problem that I see in all this, which I find much more scary than the virus, is how the public swallowed all the massive restrictions in one gulp, with barely a shred of protest, and unhesitatingly sided with the government, against their fellow people. And I think that this is one reason why the restrictions are dragging on for so long, much longer than was originally announced, and continuing even now it's been revealed the risk is very low: we're meekly accepting it, the government have us where they want us, and they'll keep dragging it out for as long as they think they can get away with it, while the public remains docile and obedient.

Now that teeny tiny freedoms are slowly being handed back, like treacle dripping through a tiny hole, we keep being given these "half-measures": you can shop, but you have to wear a muzzle, and you can't try stuff on. You can go to church, but you can't sing. You can swim, but you can't use changing rooms. You can study, but you can't attend proper lectures. You can attend small highly restricted fitness groups, but you can't play team games. You can go to the pub, but you have to hand over your details, and face the risk of house arrest: the list is endless.

Right now, I feel like the only retaliation we have is not accepting these compromises; for example refusing to go to church while the "no singing" rule is in place; refusing to shop while the muzzles are mandatory; refusing to attend the substitutes we are allowed for team sports; and if I was a student, I would be deferring. I just don't want to spend any money until the "rightful normal" is back. I feel that by settling for the half-measures, I'm supporting the (vomit) "new normal", and that the government will think "the plebs are happy with what we've given them, we can drag it out for longer, to show them who's boss, and maybe make it permanent".

I expect I'm being paranoid, thinking completely the wrong way, cutting off my nose to spite my face, and that I'm hurting the very industries I should be supporting. But I do think that the government will only really take notice and restore our liberties if people vote with their wallets. (I am not for one moment suggesting we should all do this; we need whatever pleasures we can get. It's just that I really want to spite this lying and conniving government right now.) So please talk me out of it!

Well I sort of agree with you except I have family in Florida. The americans, brazilians, are taking your line the deaths are high but so were ours perhaps depending on whether you trust the figures. I think we are in the middle of it so until we can look back and be scientifically objective about the line each country has taken and whether they were correct I just do not know. What I do know is that Thailand are using it to quash any objectors politically. Again family there are saying just how bad it is for the thais.

@wanderings I'm not going to talk you out of it because I agree with you completely. I think the government have used the whole situation to carry out certain social experiments in control. I also believe that some of their policies, and the way they've been implemented, were deliberately designed to create division.

'New normal' can go to hell. We're not going to pubs and restaurants and the only shopping I'm going out to do is the weekly supermarket trip. I'm genuinely sorry for the people who are going to suffer but I'm not supporting this travesty of a life in a piss-poor excuse for a civilised country.

@Drivingdownthe101

Today, I have spent my free time reporting vile, abusive, aggressive posts on here. All the ones I’ve reported have been deleted.

Good for you frankly I cannot face those areas so do not dip into covid zones.