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[InsaneInTheViralMembrane]

Phew!

@LivinLaVidaLoki I think when we look back we’ll find far more children’s lives we’re saved by people like you than were ever at risk from Covid. Thank you. I know that in wales many children have had no contact from school this whole time and won’t until September now. How many of those children are ok? Locking children away is now good parenting. It’s just all so wrong and as for the people wanting schools to stay shut, I just want to scream. Young children may even help block further spread, primary age are low transmitters and early teens probably too. I’m so fed up of children being seen as super spreaders when actually teachers are more risk to them. If adults are sensible we should be able to contain the spread and let children be free.

Coronavirus: Motorbike accident spike fear on Welsh roads

More motorcyclists could be seriously injured on Welsh roads as people avoid public transport, experts have warned.

The article is about more than this - including English bikers coming to wales possibly spending money - but did jump out at me.

The trains are all - key workers and essential journeys only - I don't know about buses yet - though I have famiy in England struggling as routes and times still aren't as normal and it's affetcing getting into work - as a careworker.

Thank you @Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy

You are absolutely right about MH. This whole thing is a child/adolescent mental health crisis waiting to explode. We already don't have the resources to manage what we have, the increased self harm and suicidal ideation is putting added pressure on a service that can't cope and the longer we lock them away and treat them like lepers the worse this will be.

And also what most of the dementors fail to realise, is that for an increasing amount of children and young people HOME IS NOT THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE.

I once got into a full blown row and got deleted on here when I pointed out that abuse and neglect are also increasing and will also lead to deaths. Someone pointed out that its a tiny amount compared to covid.

I suggested they wouldn't be so blase if it was their family affected. I got deleted. Yet the "you would be more serious if it was someone you knew who died of covid" is trotted out all the fucking time.

livin beautifully written and I’d give you a clap emoji but I’m useless at them and would probably give you something which means 🍆.

Have a bloody amazing holiday!

www.newscientist.com/article/mg24732923-800-uk-could-eliminate-the-coronavirus-but-it-might-do-more-harm-than-good/

Earlier this month, Independent SAGE – a self-appointed group of scientists that provides advice with the intention of guiding UK government policy on the coronavirus – published a report recommending that the UK aims for zero reported cases, known as elimination, within the next 12 months.

First time I've heard that that elimination was even being considered by anyone.

@LadyOfTheImprovisedBath I currently have a friend recovering from a broken back in Belgium. She got on her bike the first day the van lifted... her work, friends and family are in Germany so public transport was cross-border and useless.

@LivinLaVidaLoki - I’ve written to do many decision makers about this making that point. I keep saying that they know what’s happening to children, they know safeguarding referrals and visits have dropped off a cliff and they’ll be judged for their role in allowing it. They tell me they have daily meetings about safeguarding - what good does that do if it doesn’t result in actual contact with the children to make sure they’re ok. I’ve pointed out that I could stand next to my dd on the phone to her teacher to keep her mouth shut (I don’t and she’s gone to the check up sessions- she’s ok) but many children haven’t even had a call. This includes ones who have been shielded and away from everyone. I know they’re ok, but the school don’t. How is any of this ok?

We also need to stop suggesting children will kill their parents and grandparents. It’s so damaging and untrue. I remember once I had a teen party and delayed my dad dropping my friends back. When he did a car crashed into him. He got home and said if you hadn’t delayed me I wouldn’t have had a car crash into me...it could have been a lorry and gave me a hug. That’s what being a parent is.

@InsaneInTheViralMembrane that's awful.

DH was on a motorbike many years ago as his workplace was very poorly served by public transport and we had young kids so needed to be near services in nearest town.

He was badly hurt and nearly killed because another driver got impatient did something stupid. Police weren't interested in prosecuting as it was a "bad junction" despite us having witnesses appalled by the drivers behavior and attitude.

We had nearly a year of costs and disruptions and stress and he's left with a bad scar and possibly needing surgey as he ages. We did get an insurance payout from other driver insurer but wasn't as much as you'd think and he got some extra physiotherapy paid for a well.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone but no-one seems to be thinking more young people could die on the roads because of the attitude to public transport currently.

What I don’t understand is the people who are outraged by the fact that vulnerable children have not been able to go to school, are not similarly outraged by the fact that school is the only safe place for a huge number of children and even if school was open and there was no COVID their home lives would still be shit. Where was all the outrage before schools ‘closed’. Bearing in mind schools were open to vulnerable children and I know our local schools were trying to get as many children in and not just those with social workers but any that were on their radar. They were also doing weekly home visits to as many of these families as possible.

But children shouldn’t be in the position that school is their only save place

@ineedaholidaynow

What I don’t understand is the people who are outraged by the fact that vulnerable children have not been able to go to school, are not similarly outraged by the fact that school is the only safe place for a huge number of children and even if school was open and there was no COVID their home lives would still be shit. Where was all the outrage before schools ‘closed’. Bearing in mind schools were open to vulnerable children and I know our local schools were trying to get as many children in and not just those with social workers but any that were on their radar. They were also doing weekly home visits to as many of these families as possible.

But children shouldn’t be in the position that school is their only save place

Who says people aren’t outraged at that? As @LivinLaVidaLoki works with vulnerable children (and did before schools closed), I’m sure she has more idea about this than many.

Sorry @ineedaholidaynow I am slightly unclear as to what you’re gaining from being on these threads? To join a long standing support thread with what seems to be the sole intention of causing arguments seems a bit... weird to me.

But children shouldn’t be in the position that school is their only save place

I don't think you'd get anyone saying that's an okay situation but the schools here are often the ones reporting the issues and getting the kids the help they desperatly need.

I do think Welsh Government tried - there was a system in place to get food for pupils on free school meals and they did want all the schools open to all pupils so they got seen before September - though perhaps they should have been a mimumun contact hours as part of that.

@ineedaholidaynow

What I don’t understand is the people who are outraged by the fact that vulnerable children have not been able to go to school, are not similarly outraged by the fact that school is the only safe place for a huge number of children and even if school was open and there was no COVID their home lives would still be shit. Where was all the outrage before schools ‘closed’. Bearing in mind schools were open to vulnerable children and I know our local schools were trying to get as many children in and not just those with social workers but any that were on their radar. They were also doing weekly home visits to as many of these families as possible.

But children shouldn’t be in the position that school is their only save place

Can I pop in and add I am "similarly outraged" by this. I am fully aware that children shouldn't be in this position and that is why I work my hardest to play my part to change this.

However, this has not only made this problem worse, but made it harder to do what you need to do to improve these situations and then taking into account having services cut to pay for all this going forward it is just going to get worse.

@ineedaholidaynow - school has a huge role identifying vulnerable children, plus a lot of situations will be worsened by lockdown. It’s not I’m happy about home not being safe but I’m even less happy about the safety net being torn away completely. I’d happily pay more tax to have better intervention but that’s not on the table. Very few vulnerable children attended school or check in days and many more won’t have been identified as vulnerable and won’t have been checked on at all. Saying I’m worried about this doesn’t mean I don’t care about abuse and neglect.

I’ve also asked the Welsh Government to match the additional funding for schools with that for safeguarding.

Sorry not sure my last post made much sense.

But what I am saying there isn’t the same level of outrage. Many children’s lives were shit before COVID but you didn’t see many posts about how awful it was that school was the only safe place for children. But now there are numerous threads about it. I am not criticising anyone on this thread, I am just wondering why there wasn’t the same level of outrage on MN pre COVID. Is it just that many people didn’t realise or people didn’t care? Or is it that they don’t think they can do anything to change it?

If schools go back in September, which I hope they do, will many of these posters think that everything is fine now in these children’s lives and not think about the vulnerable children any more.

This ‘why aren’t you concerned that children don’t have a safe place out of school’ is a weird MN soundbite that has appeared over the past few months and that posters are throwing out because they think it makes them look clever.
I am concerned than children don’t have a safe place outside of school. However it is simple fact that as children spend a large amount of time in school unaccompanied, teachers are well placed to notice issues and report them. This is an additional bonus of schooling.
My best friend is a child protection social worker. She says the past few months have caused the ‘perfect storm’ of fewer referrals (as a large number of referrals come from teachers or supervisors from extra curricular activities), and children spending far more time with their abusers. Of course some of these were already on their radar but now plenty aren’t. That’s just a fact. And being concerned that these children aren’t in school does not mean people don’t give a shit that they’re living in abusive/neglectful situations. The opposite in fact.

@Drivingdownthe101 - it’s almost like you can care about multiple things at the same time...

Anyway, can I just say for anyone who remembers my worries about going to Cornwall from many threads ago I had an absolutely lovely time. People were very welcoming and as I remained well and continue to do so I think the R rate will remain the same.

Even for kids from very happy, stable family backgrounds, this has been difficult to cope with.

@Jourdain11

Even for kids from very happy, stable family backgrounds, this has been difficult to cope with.

Quite.

We haven't had relationship and money worries on top of everything else.

Our children have still found things hard going at times and it has had an impact on them they've all missed out on important school trips and life events - and I have many worries about DD1 GCSEs and amount of stress she'll face next school year.

There've coped well over all but they were in a very good position to start with and old enough to understand and not need constant attention and they've still found things hard at times.

@Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy glad cornwell was okay in th end and you had a good holiday.e

We should have been away this week today being first full day there- but given trains and wales cancelling was the right choice for our Dorset holiday.

@ineedaholidaynow

But what I am saying there isn’t the same level of outrage. Many children’s lives were shit before COVID but you didn’t see many posts about how awful it was that school was the only safe place for children. But now there are numerous threads about it. I am not criticising anyone on this thread, I am just wondering why there wasn’t the same level of outrage on MN pre COVID. Is it just that many people didn’t realise or people didn’t care? Or is it that they don’t think they can do anything to change it?

If schools go back in September, which I hope they do, will many of these posters think that everything is fine now in these children’s lives and not think about the vulnerable children any more.

I think people don't realise until it happens to them. Or happens close to home. Truth is we are all in this society and we impact each other. We can no longer ignore "the other".

The 'but people didn't care about this pre Covid' point can pretty much be used for anything.
People did care about safeguarding pre Covid. The issue is that 'Covid-safe' is now the prime requirement irrespective of any other risk and therefore some people are sometimes pointing out that that there are other risks in life, and indeed other ways of dying, many rather more common than Covid.

@ineedaholidaynow

What I don’t understand is the people who are outraged by the fact that vulnerable children have not been able to go to school, are not similarly outraged by the fact that school is the only safe place for a huge number of children and even if school was open and there was no COVID their home lives would still be shit. Where was all the outrage before schools ‘closed’. Bearing in mind schools were open to vulnerable children and I know our local schools were trying to get as many children in and not just those with social workers but any that were on their radar. They were also doing weekly home visits to as many of these families as possible.

But children shouldn’t be in the position that school is their only save place

True. But a little support at school is better than no support. The more loving influence in their lives the better. One teacher could change their lives. Inspire them. No one can do anything at all if they're locked up inside. They're going to feel like no one at all gives a crap about them.