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Parent due cancer surgery at the same time as my c section - WWYD?

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Wankpuffin · 14/07/2020 11:04

First off, my relationship with my dad has always been very difficult. We have no other family at all - my mum died when I was a child (he never remarried or had a serious relationship as he enjoyed being on his own after being married for so long), I’m an only child, there are no other extended family members.

He is 86. I’ve always been expected to make him the centre of my world, I’ve had no career because of him and his guilt trips about having to see us (I had Dd when I was young), I’ve had to turn down so many opportunities with work/relocations as it was always “what about me?” and having to care for his various problems over the years. I lost my first marriage over his behaviour. I’m exhausted. I’m 40 and I’ve had no life.

He pretends he’s a lonely old man with no friends but that’s not the case - when he’s here he’s always slipping up. His phone is constantly ringing, a saved name/photo comes up and he quickly presses reject and does a whole long act about “I don’t know who that was, no one knows my number or bothers with me”. It’s not true. He obviously has people who call him and the charade that goes on and on of pretending to check his phone and saying there must be a fault with it is embarrassing.

Last year he was diagnosed with cancer. He had an operation, stayed with me for four weeks afterwards where I took care of him - I had to leave job when he was diagnosed as they wouldn’t let me take time off for his many hospital appointments and he needed full time care after the op. I ended up taking a shitty Part time night shift job so I’d be there for him during the days and take him to appointments.

Again when he was with me all I could hear was him on the phone constantly whispering to people that they couldn’t come and visit him until he was home, not to call when he was at my house. Then I’d get the lonely act again, how no one bothers with him, guilt trips all the time.

Anyway, he had a review and the cancer is back. He will need an operation.

They are talking the last week in August, that’s also the week where I am due to have my section. My section is high risk. I might die basically because of a complication (That couldn’t have been seen before another pregnancy), and my baby will probably need NICU help. With covid and two other children at home, it’s going to be a stressful time all round.

November last year we had to move 120 miles from my dad due to money issues. The first few months he made my life a living hell wanting to come and stay here at least three/four days a week. He’s a very difficult person, very negative and draining to have around and lockdown has been a blessing because we Haven’t seen him.

Now he’s assuming he will come and live here after his operation for weeks on end and I will take care of him. How I’m supposed to do that, even during the week of a straight forward section is beyond me. Dh will have enough going on with the other two children and if the worst happens, If I end up in ICU or the baby does, he will be run off his feet. He can’t take on looking after my dad as well - like I said my dad is very difficult and even during the best of times he’s hard work to have around.

My dad would never pay for care. He owns his own home but it’s not worth much at all and he wants his money to go to his grandchildren.

I just don’t know what to do and it’s giving me untold stress that I don’t need right now. He’s saying he might as well
Kill himself because I’ve abandoned him (he’s been threatening to kill himself for the past 30 years as part of his guilt trips, it’s an empty threat and he only says it to me and denies/laughs it off if I try to tell anyone else).

He’s even had the cancer nurse call me to tell me that I’m being unreasonable and that I’m all he has (although she obviously apologised when I told her I was due to give birth the same week).

I’m sorry for the long post, I’m just so worked up over it. I’m the terrible daughter who doesn’t care about him, even though I’ve spent my whole bloody life pandering to him.

I know I sound cold towards him but honestly, 30 odd years of this shit and never having my own life because of his guilt trips.

OP posts:
Wankpuffin · 15/07/2020 10:16

@LittleDonk he doesn’t care about any if that. He only cares about the fact that I should be bending over backwards to look after him. He’s got cancer. He’s having an operation. He needs looking after.

He’s very, very selfish. Everything is about him and how I should be looking after him and putting him first. Always has been.

OP posts:
Wankpuffin · 15/07/2020 10:30

@differentnameforthis oh I know. He’s always making barbed comments about how other people he knows his age have moved in with their daughters to be looked after, how ther daughters couldn’t see them struggle and be lonely and told them to come and live with them and how lovely it is that they do things with them everyday. Basically, I’m shit for not doing that for him.

I’m 40 years old.

I’m not being rude, but the people he’s talking about, their children who i they have moved in with are in their late 60s. And their parents who they’ve moved in probably aren’t as difficult as my dad.

My children are young. I should be enjoying my life with my husband and my children. I’ve never been able to have friends - in my 20s when Dd was little, instead of having mum friends I felt obliged to go to places with my dad all the time, he was at my house every day. It was suffocating.

I’m sick of it now. I want a life. If he moved in with us as he’s always hinting at, I can guarantee my marriage would be over within a year. He doesn’t like music, drinking, friends coming over, going out - he’s judgemental and miserable, always has been.

Sorry I’m just ranting again now - partly distracting myself from having to go to hospital in a bit.

But this thread has been so helpful in getting it all out and getting my head straight and I’m so greatful to everyone that has understood my situation.

OP posts:
longtompot · 15/07/2020 10:30

@Wankpuffin

The worst thing is this one friend he’s got. She’s not that much older than me and is constantly telling him how awful I am. To top it off, her mother has cancer so all I get is my dad telling me how she’s constantly in tears, always visiting her, is so worried etc etc. All with the underlying “and you don’t do that with me, you horrible person”. Again and again, just so he can point out how much better this person is than me.

All he talks about is how wonderful this friend of his is, how she’s like another daughter, how she’s the one taking him to appointments now I’m not there and I just want to scream FUCK OFF. She’s not lived the life with you that I have.

Dh won’t have any of it. When my dad talks about how wonderful this woman is all the time and Dh cuts him off right away by saying “oh well, she sounds lovely - she can help you out lots then”. That usually shuts him up for a bit.

You need to tell him that's good she's so helpful, as she can help him when he has had his operation.

I can't believe a parent could be like that to their child. Well, I can, my dhs parents were awful (his mum died but his dad is still going, somehow but we are lc to nc) What I mean is, I can't imagine being like that towards my kids.

Is there anyway you can go with him for one of his hospital appointments and tell them there and then he will have to have aftercare as you and your dh are not available at all?

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AnotherEmma · 15/07/2020 10:32

"Is there anyway you can go with him for one of his hospital appointments and tell them there and then he will have to have aftercare as you and your dh are not available at all?"

Absolutely no need whatsoever for OP to do that. She's already told the nurse over the phone.

Potionqueen · 15/07/2020 10:39

Ask your lovely midwife if she will contact the Macmillan nurse to tell her that there is no way you will be fit to look after your dad post-op.
My mil went into a nursing home for post-op care following a total hip replacement (she was in hospital for 4 weeks so I think they where desperate for the bed) so it can be done. She went back home after a week in the nursing home.
Take care. Don’t let him browbeat you. And good luck with your appointment today.

Happynow001 · 15/07/2020 10:40

Is there anyway you can go with him for one of his hospital appointments and tell them there and then he will have to have aftercare as you and your dh are not available at all?
Doesn't that mean a 240 mile round trip for OP though?

At the same time as she's being advised by her medical team
to take a packed bag with me to the weekly appointments from now on as it could be that they would have to deliver right away. ?

MaggieFS · 15/07/2020 10:53

OP, good luck for today.

Please don't get too involved in trying to find solutions. You'll just get more dragged in and you have enough on. You've sent him the link, you've explained your situation to the Macmillan nurse. You physically can not help. Leave it at that. Your DF clearly has the mental capacity to make his own plans.

EndothermicHands · 15/07/2020 11:35

You are in an abusive relationship with your DF and you need to LTB! It sounds like this man has been mentally abusing you and manipulating you your entire life. You have a lovely family of your own and a lot of stress at the moment with the upcoming C-section and baby. What would happen if you shut down your social media and changed your phone numbers cutting this man out of your life?
As for the hospital I would just refuse to engage. They can't discharge him back to your house (120 miles away!) Without speaking to you- there will be OTs and physios on the ward whose job it is to assess when your father is safe for discharge ans whether he needs respite care. Or ring the ward up very early and explain "my father is abusive and will tell you that he is coming to mine post operatively. He is not. I will have a newborn and be post C section and I will not be able to support him in any way".

LittleDonk · 15/07/2020 11:41

Fucking hell OP. This is an abusive man. Age and cancer aside, who doesn't care if he ruins your life.

Block him, block his friends, and bin any letters.

differentnameforthis · 15/07/2020 12:10

[quote Wankpuffin]@differentnameforthis oh I know. He’s always making barbed comments about how other people he knows his age have moved in with their daughters to be looked after, how ther daughters couldn’t see them struggle and be lonely and told them to come and live with them and how lovely it is that they do things with them everyday. Basically, I’m shit for not doing that for him.

I’m 40 years old.

I’m not being rude, but the people he’s talking about, their children who i they have moved in with are in their late 60s. And their parents who they’ve moved in probably aren’t as difficult as my dad.

My children are young. I should be enjoying my life with my husband and my children. I’ve never been able to have friends - in my 20s when Dd was little, instead of having mum friends I felt obliged to go to places with my dad all the time, he was at my house every day. It was suffocating.

I’m sick of it now. I want a life. If he moved in with us as he’s always hinting at, I can guarantee my marriage would be over within a year. He doesn’t like music, drinking, friends coming over, going out - he’s judgemental and miserable, always has been.

Sorry I’m just ranting again now - partly distracting myself from having to go to hospital in a bit.

But this thread has been so helpful in getting it all out and getting my head straight and I’m so greatful to everyone that has understood my situation.[/quote]
All completely understandable. Don't do what you know will suffocate you and damage your marriage.

It's time for you now (especially with a new baby on the way) so please take it and ignore any guilt he gives you. You deserve better.

Mwnci123 · 15/07/2020 12:13

Care is means tested so it doesn't matter that he doesn't have much. You need to say no. He is not a child and has the capacity to make his own decision and necessary arrangements through social services. Say no. You are your children's mother, not his.

Embracelife · 15/07/2020 14:47

Of course if they believe there is faMily carer they will say great.
You just need to inform them it isn't possible.

And just say to DF
"I cannot do this I have a cesarean booked "
No more explanation. Don't engage. It will just feed him.
"I am having major surgery and cannot provide care". End of. They will sort something out so he doesn't bed block.

IwishIhadaMargarita · 15/07/2020 22:41

So he tells you these friends hate you and say awful things? Hmm I think I’d take what he says with a massive pinch of salt. Be prepared for the guilt trips to ramp up so maybe block him if it gets too
Much. You simply cannot do it. If he asks why you don’t care just say ‘why don’t you care dad? I’m going to have risky major surgery, I might not survive it! Why do YOU not care!’ When you get cards and letter tip them in half without reading them and return them but don’t put a stamp on. They will have to collect the letter (not knowing what it is and pay a charge) that will cure them after a few times. I did that to an ex who sent me abusive letters and cards.

Wankpuffin · 16/07/2020 02:51

I’m totally disengaging with him now. I don’t care what happens he’ll have to sort himself out.

My scan didn’t go well there is another potential problem for my baby so that’s all I care about right now. I can’t think about anyone else but my baby.

OP posts:
Antipodeancousin · 16/07/2020 03:03

So your father is just clearly very unreasonable and doesn’t care about your needs, those of your family or newborn baby. You have told the cancer nurse and sent him information about accessing home care. If he asks or brings it up again ‘I’m having a section that week’ and no further discussion is all that is required.
You need to focus on yourself and your new baby. All the best for your next appointment.

Antipodeancousin · 16/07/2020 03:05

I took too long to post and missed your latest update. I’m so sorry to hear that things didn’t go well. You have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about with regards to your father.

stitchandbitch101 · 16/07/2020 03:51

I'm so sorry for everything going on with you and your baby currently. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that everything is okay and baby is delivered safely in August Thanks

With regards to your dad, you've hit the nail on the head yourself by coming on here and writing your thoughts out:

  • he's emotionally manipulated you for decades
  • he's old so he gets away with more by putting on an "I'm elderly, vulnerable and have no one else." Snore. Nice trick pal.
  • I wonder if there's an added layer of guilt from you here about making him fork out to pay for care because it would eat into the inheritance that hopefully one day would be for your DC? I might be wrong but it happens. Your mental well-being is infinitely more important than some money
  • no matter how you tackle this, I hope you find peace (somehow, with 2 DC!) away from him. If that means no contact then great but I see how tricky that is too. It's his fault and not yours. Please don't carry that guilt forever. Best of luck Thanks
Happynow001 · 16/07/2020 07:16

@Wankpuffin

I’m totally disengaging with him now. I don’t care what happens he’ll have to sort himself out.

My scan didn’t go well there is another potential problem for my baby so that’s all I care about right now. I can’t think about anyone else but my baby.

I'm sorry to hear this OP, and hope things improve for you soon.

I'm glad you are "totally disengaging" with him, so you can focus on your own health and that of your baby's. Take care my dear. 🌷

MaggieFS · 16/07/2020 08:35

I'm so sorry to hear about the scan but have everything crossed for you. Hopefully now you feel more empowered to focus on yourself and your little one.

Weenurse · 16/07/2020 08:44

I am sorry about your scan. 💐

altiara · 16/07/2020 09:00

Sorry about your scan Flowers
If he phones you when DH is there, could he take any calls and shut dad down with I’m too worried about wankpuffin and babies health, if dad asks what will he do, then DH to say wankpuffin will not be able to help again.

GoldenZigZag · 16/07/2020 09:10

It sounds like he never remarried because he forced you into fulfilling many of the roles a wife would normally fill. What a selfish, selfish pig. You have already made way, waaay more sacrifices than a daughter should have to make, draw a line in the sand, it stops now.

If he really is going to be in the lurch after his operation then contact social service now do they have to assess in advance. But be absolutely clear you want no part in the assessment or in his post-op care. It's over to them now.

Congratulations on your pregnancy 💐

zigzagbetty · 16/07/2020 15:24

Sounds like disengaging is the only way forward. Focus all your energy on your baby and lovely family Flowers

TheAugusta · 16/07/2020 18:15

Thinking of you and your baby and wishing you all the best.

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