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Parent due cancer surgery at the same time as my c section - WWYD?

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Wankpuffin · 14/07/2020 11:04

First off, my relationship with my dad has always been very difficult. We have no other family at all - my mum died when I was a child (he never remarried or had a serious relationship as he enjoyed being on his own after being married for so long), I’m an only child, there are no other extended family members.

He is 86. I’ve always been expected to make him the centre of my world, I’ve had no career because of him and his guilt trips about having to see us (I had Dd when I was young), I’ve had to turn down so many opportunities with work/relocations as it was always “what about me?” and having to care for his various problems over the years. I lost my first marriage over his behaviour. I’m exhausted. I’m 40 and I’ve had no life.

He pretends he’s a lonely old man with no friends but that’s not the case - when he’s here he’s always slipping up. His phone is constantly ringing, a saved name/photo comes up and he quickly presses reject and does a whole long act about “I don’t know who that was, no one knows my number or bothers with me”. It’s not true. He obviously has people who call him and the charade that goes on and on of pretending to check his phone and saying there must be a fault with it is embarrassing.

Last year he was diagnosed with cancer. He had an operation, stayed with me for four weeks afterwards where I took care of him - I had to leave job when he was diagnosed as they wouldn’t let me take time off for his many hospital appointments and he needed full time care after the op. I ended up taking a shitty Part time night shift job so I’d be there for him during the days and take him to appointments.

Again when he was with me all I could hear was him on the phone constantly whispering to people that they couldn’t come and visit him until he was home, not to call when he was at my house. Then I’d get the lonely act again, how no one bothers with him, guilt trips all the time.

Anyway, he had a review and the cancer is back. He will need an operation.

They are talking the last week in August, that’s also the week where I am due to have my section. My section is high risk. I might die basically because of a complication (That couldn’t have been seen before another pregnancy), and my baby will probably need NICU help. With covid and two other children at home, it’s going to be a stressful time all round.

November last year we had to move 120 miles from my dad due to money issues. The first few months he made my life a living hell wanting to come and stay here at least three/four days a week. He’s a very difficult person, very negative and draining to have around and lockdown has been a blessing because we Haven’t seen him.

Now he’s assuming he will come and live here after his operation for weeks on end and I will take care of him. How I’m supposed to do that, even during the week of a straight forward section is beyond me. Dh will have enough going on with the other two children and if the worst happens, If I end up in ICU or the baby does, he will be run off his feet. He can’t take on looking after my dad as well - like I said my dad is very difficult and even during the best of times he’s hard work to have around.

My dad would never pay for care. He owns his own home but it’s not worth much at all and he wants his money to go to his grandchildren.

I just don’t know what to do and it’s giving me untold stress that I don’t need right now. He’s saying he might as well
Kill himself because I’ve abandoned him (he’s been threatening to kill himself for the past 30 years as part of his guilt trips, it’s an empty threat and he only says it to me and denies/laughs it off if I try to tell anyone else).

He’s even had the cancer nurse call me to tell me that I’m being unreasonable and that I’m all he has (although she obviously apologised when I told her I was due to give birth the same week).

I’m sorry for the long post, I’m just so worked up over it. I’m the terrible daughter who doesn’t care about him, even though I’ve spent my whole bloody life pandering to him.

I know I sound cold towards him but honestly, 30 odd years of this shit and never having my own life because of his guilt trips.

OP posts:
Blahblahblah12345 · 15/07/2020 08:51

Can I just say I completely understand how your feeling. My parents are like you dad. More my mum than my dad but still he isn't innocent. They are always wanting help with something or wanting something from us. I'm trying atm to disassociate with them a little bit. Its always the woe me act. If you don't give the answer they want it gets asked again maybe in a different way. Its piss annoying. I'm lucky my parents don't live near me but they are on about moving closer. But anyways I was just posting to say I understand how hard it is for you to be saying no to him. It was a post for a handhold really.

Embracelife · 15/07/2020 09:02

When elderly aunt broke leg they discharged to rehab place 6 weeks then home with carers visiting 3 x day then tapered off. No charge.

Look it s not your issue. If he gets charged he gets charged. If he doesn't have funds at all they cannot charge him.
You cannot do it.
They do have provision in place for discharge with community support. Don't worry about it. It s on adult ss.

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Embracelife · 15/07/2020 09:04

So he gets 6 weeks free care at least
If you or someone you know has been in hospital or had an illness or fall, you may need temporary care to help you get back to normal and stay independent.

This temporary care is called intermediate care, reablement or aftercare.

Most people who receive this type of care do so for around 1 or 2 weeks, although it can be free for a maximum of 6 weeks. It will depend on how soon you are able to cope at home.

If you need care for longer than 6 weeks, you may have to pay for it.

Embracelife · 15/07/2020 09:05

So no worries for 6 weeks.
After ....then he can pay.

Wankpuffin · 15/07/2020 09:07

@Embracelife thank you I’ve saved that link.

The trouble with the knee op I was talking about is that as it’s elective surgery they said there would be no nhs care after.

But from reading that it sounds like after an operation for cancer that he would be able to access services. So why was everyone telling me he couldn’t? Was it just easier for them, especially as I have a nursing background to just dump all his care on me?

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Soontobe60 · 15/07/2020 09:13

[quote Wankpuffin]@Antipodeancousin it’s stomach and bowel. So help with everything, toileting/washing, caring for the wounds, medication and injections. He may need a stoma this time.

I’m a nurse which actually doesn’t help - the hospital couldn’t wait to turf him out into my care once they found that out. I wish I’d kept my mouth shut about that one.[/quote]
You need to make it clear to him that you will not be able to support him physically. If possible, speak to his cancer nurse now to let them know too. They will have to arrange for him to go into intermediate care after his op until he is well enough to look after himself.
You don't need to feel guilty, you don't need to put your own family last. He is a grown man who is still trying to control you. You're the only person who can put a stop to this.
Phone the nurse today!!!

Sharpandshineyteeth · 15/07/2020 09:17

Speak to the cancer nurse. She rang you first so she should speak to you. Do it today because you need peace of mind.

TryAnotherNickname · 15/07/2020 09:26

Moving to a different health authority immediately after major surgery like that would be insane and Macmillan should know that.
Tell the hospital no, and that they need to provide a safe discharge within his own HA and then complain to Macmillan about that nurse

OliviaBenson · 15/07/2020 09:30

If you have a consultant appointment today please please tell them about the pressure you are under from him and via the hospital to be his carer. They can help you too.

Wankpuffin · 15/07/2020 09:31

@TryAnotherNickname we were in a different health authority after his op last year. We only lived about 45 min away from him then, so it wasn’t too much of an issue taking him back for appointments and checks after, but 120 miles would be a nightmare.

I sent my dad that link via text. It’s not gone down well. He replied “why don’t you want to look after me? Why would I be looked after by strangers? Well if you don’t care I’ll have it ask my doctor”.

I’m turning my phone off now anyway, I haven’t got the head space to think about it today, leaving for my appointment in a bit.

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SnuggyBuggy · 15/07/2020 09:32

I'd be tempted to complain about Macmillan for their behaviour to be honest. Could you or your husband let them know that you don't want any further contact. Also do you need to be in contact with his interfering friend?

Seriously sack both off

Wankpuffin · 15/07/2020 09:39

@SnuggyBuggy I’m not in direct contact with his friend. The one who sends shitty letters every now and then (usually a Christmas card telling me that I’m the spawn of Satan) is an ex on/off girlfriend of his who’s always hated me from when I was a kid. She’s easy to ignore.

The friend who he goes on and on about never contacts me, it’s always my dad telling me how awful she says I am, how she’s so wonderful to him and her own parents. Like o said, dh always shuts him down with “she sounds lovely! How nice for you” and I just don’t respond.

OP posts:
Wankpuffin · 15/07/2020 09:40

I think the issue with the nurses is that my dad is always so insistent that he’s got his nurse daughter who will take care of him. There’s no other option to him but me taking care of him, I think they assumed that we are all on board with it.

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TimeWastingButFun · 15/07/2020 09:42

You have to be very firm and organisation is the key, so phone him and his specialist and tell them you will be recovering from major surgery and won't be able to look after him. He will have to have respite care in a home for a while. You can visit when you're well enough. If he can't accept that it isn't your fault, it really isn't.

AnotherEmma · 15/07/2020 09:45

You actually need to be blunt with the nurse and say "My father is abusive which is the only reason he expects me to look after him after having a high risk a c section. I cannot and will not look after him. Please stop asking me."

I don't think it would be appropriate to make a complaint about his nurse. You've said yourself that he is manipulative and they are clearly just acting based on the lies he's told them.

Anyway try and put it to the back of your mind today and focus on yourself. Best of luck with your appointments.

SnuggyBuggy · 15/07/2020 09:47

I think it's more if the Macmillan nurses don't take no for an answer the first time. Fair enough they weren't unreasonable to take him at his word but when put right that's the time to stop and back off.

Inforthelonghaul · 15/07/2020 09:49

It’s all so one sided OP isn’t it. You must care about him but he doesn’t have to care about you. I had similar issues with DM but realised after many years that she did none of this for her elderly mother which helped me separate a bit. Right now you have other priorities and that’s just how it is. Explain it to him in writing, send the same information to his GP and instruct them to ensure there is alternative care in place as you will be indisposed after your own surgery. If need be he could go to a nursing home for care and rehab afterwards but tell them now that it’s not happening under any circumstances so there is time for it to be sorted.

AnotherEmma · 15/07/2020 09:50

Yes fair point but I doubt very much the OP has told them the whole truth which is that he is abusive.

chatterbugmegastar · 15/07/2020 09:52

I think they assumed that we are all on board with it.

Then you need to tell them that that isn't the case

LittleDonk · 15/07/2020 10:03

But hang on.

What is he actually proposing? How does he believe that you are able to care for him when you will have just had major abdominal surgery at the same time? How does he think it's possible?

How does he (and the hospital) respond when you say "Dad. As you know I will have just given birth via c section due to my own health problems. I will be off my feet, in bed, with a newborn and with a large incision and stitches. It is physically impossible for me to nurse you on this occasion. I will be being cared for myself, will have just had surgery, will not be able to lift things, help you move about, or wait on you. How do you believe it is possible that I will be able to look after you? My husband will be caring for me, a newborn and 2 other children."

frippit · 15/07/2020 10:05

Hi Wankpuffin we had a very similar scenario with my Mil. It nearly destroyed our marriage, the kids suffered we all suffered. We had the manipulation, etc
When we look back my husband and I are amazed we rode it out and are still together.
What I have learned from it all is this. Explain exactly how it is to every health care professional, doctor, nurse, carers, health visitor etc. Ignore nasty letters etc from his aqaintances they've been hoodwinked too.
I felt extremely guilty doing this at first, like we were betraying my Mil in some way.
However, most hcp's got it straight away and it was a massive relief for us.
I honestly thought the stress of it all would kill my husband. Please take control put you, husband and children first.
Get your father set up with every conceivable bit of help that's out there (which he will most stubbornly refuse if anything like my Mil). He will be fine whatever happens and you will realise you've been conned all these years.

Wankpuffin · 15/07/2020 10:13

@AnotherEmma yes I will tell them the reasons and that he’s abusive and manipulative. I only haven’t as the contact I had with them before (his op last year) He was always in the room. I was then looking for a job/working nightshifts on no sleep so I ran out of energy and just accepted it for what it was last year.

When the nurse called the other day, again my head is all over the place so I didn’t think. But my dad didn’t tell her I was due to give birth at the end of August, let alone that I was having a section. It was the poor, lonely old man with no one who cares act all over again that sucks people in (I’m well versed in it - I worked in mental health and elderly care nursing for a long time, I’ve seen how manipulative some older people can be, how they can twist their families never visiting them into being abandoned when actually, you find out when they die that the reason was they were horribly abusive and their children/spouses could no longer cope with it).

She did apologised when I told her. No help was forthcoming but I did end the call fast as I’ve got so much else on my plate.

For all those who asked as well about getting my hospital to help - the jr doctors who I see at my appointments are next to no help with my actual pregnancy problems let alone anything else, but I do have a lovely midwife who I am seeing tomorrow. I’ll speak to her and see if she can help.

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differentnameforthis · 15/07/2020 10:14

@Wankpuffin The few friends he admits he has absolutely hate me. They think I’m selfish and evil

As does he, you know that right? They only "hate you" and think you are "selfish and evil" because HE has told them that you are, therefore this is what he thinks of you. Where are all his friends while he is recouping from surgery? If they are so great, he can stay with them, no?

No...he thinks you should be obliged to do it, because that's what women do. Well not anymore. He has caused you enough heartache, your marriage is under strain because of it.

You honestly have nothing to lose by saying no to him.

Happynow001 · 15/07/2020 10:14

@Wankpuffin

I think the issue with the nurses is that my dad is always so insistent that he’s got his nurse daughter who will take care of him. There’s no other option to him but me taking care of him, I think they assumed that we are all on board with it.
Maybe you could/should get written into his medical notes that this is actually NOT possible due to your own circumstances and that they will have to find an alternative as you will physically be unable to help.

I would also block their numbers from your mobile and home landline (as well as your father's and any other interfering flying monkeys) to enable you, your husband and your children some peace.