ADs, Corvids and the sequacious masses

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I can't believe they're mandating masks in the UK, at this late stage??

It's been recommended by our Chief Medical Officer that we wear them here (Melbourne), only for those aged over 18, and in environments where we cannot distance 1.5m. Given that we're under stay at home restrictions, I'm not sure where mask wearing would even be relevant.

Someone on one of the generic Covid threads was saying that people are not entitled to measure risks for themselves, because we are not virologists, epidemiologists etc etc. I see this argument everywhere.

But I don't want to live under a system of scientific totalitarianism. If virologists and epidemiologists wish to dictate the conditions under which society is to operate, then they can join a political party and stand for election. Their ideas can then join the pot of economic, philosophical, human rights and other critical public health considerations, which we seek to balance in order to produce appropriate democratic outcomes.

In other news, our CMO said today that 10-20% of those infected need hospitalisation!! That is the most ridiculous dementing I've seen yet (and that's saying something.) But just reported unquestioningly...

Woman on my local FB page who has kids at our (primary!) school is advocating children wearing masks.

Her reasoning is that "yes they may impede communication but so does covid."

Honestly feel like I've gone insane. This is an illness which is likely to be mild if not asymptomatic for the vast majority, especially children! Isn't it? Have I got this all wrong? Why are people so scared and willing to change and restrict our lives so much for this? It all just makes zero sense to me.

Wearing masks at school, that is...

@Lickyicelollies absolutely the same here. I’ve developed an obsession with late night YouTube watching and Candy Crush- anything mindless to stop me actually thinking. I have no ability to concentrate and reading a book just seems like a major chore. I used to be an avid reader.

DH has just stated that the death rate for Covid19 is around 10%! It isn't though, is it. Where do I get decent data to prove that it's less than 1%? Because I have to be right... He spends too much time on SM and doesn't listen to reason (me).

I’ve not followed these AD threads for a few days but am absolutely raging today and this seems to be the only sane place to be. I saw some poor soul dared to post a new face mask thread in aibu and has absolutely been taken apart with horrible horrible responses.

I’ve stopped looking at fb as it has been full of “wear face masks “ for the past few days, as has MSM. This whole mess has just been driven by social media and MSM, who seem to be totally running this country, and I’m dreading what they will turn their attention to next.

The state of social media today reminds me of the first week of lockdown.
The gleeful virtue-signalling.
The faux-sympathetic "I don't understand why you wouldn't just Stay-the-F-at-home/Wear-a-F-mask
The posting of selfies At-Home/Wearing-A-Mask
The shaming of others using made up non-existent versions of the rules

Go Back To Start. Do Not Collect £100.

FML

@LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard
NHS England’s hospital stats are here, the first two files under “COVID-19 all announced deaths“ are the figures to date.
www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

If you look at the “COVID 19 total announced deaths 9 July 2020 weekly-tables” file, you can see only 230 people under the age of 40 have died in hospital since this began, of which only 37 had no pre-existing conditions.

But I don't want to live under a system of scientific totalitarianism.

Unfortunately a lot of people do.

And they're the sort of people who think that science says that people have gendered souls.

They wanted masks before they could find any "science" to prove they made a difference, but "common sense" (never good sense) was enough.

This is not about a virus, this is about control.

The state of social media today reminds me of the first week of lockdown.

Because they have had another victory.

Like when they decide to get someone banned from Twitter, but this is way more exciting because they have the power to lock people into their homes, vlise schools, and coerce people into covering their faces.

They are crazy extremists and they won't stop while the media is full of lazy and stupid journalists to egg them on and the government is led by a lazy populist.

skeptile Tue 14-Jul-20 11:26:23
Someone on one of the generic Covid threads was saying that people are not entitled to measure risks for themselves, because we are not virologists, epidemiologists etc etc. I see this argument everywhere.

But not all virologists, epidemiologist etc agree that wear face coverings of the sort that most people wear are of benefit. It's all recommendations based on models and 'we think' and 'we recommend' and 'we predict' etc etc.

Even the most scientific data based on actual experience rather than models is that N95 respirators, proper SINGLE use medical masks and 12 to 16 thickness cotton masks. 12 fucking thicknesses - It would stop me spreading it because I wouldn't be able to fucking breath - and I have no difficulties.

I don't care if it reduces my chances of catching it by 70%. Because that isn't 70% it is 70% x 0.025% AND THAT is supposing the 1 in 4000 people that have it are also out going shopping.

”This is not about a virus, this is about control“

Why can others not see this? It’s frustrating that there isn’t more pushback to the fear driven propaganda.

I said the Mr Crazy at the start of this ‘Don’t think of it as news, think of it as propaganda.’

We can't win - we can only exist under this shitfest. They've got their masks - what do they want next? Masks for kids - it'll be coming... then the schools made "safe" will be back in their sights. This will make it all just much much worse as they've smelt blood now. Soon we'll be back to grassing up Doris who went out for 1 hour and 10 minutes of walk again.

@LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard the other things to note with our 'death rate' is that we originally only tested the people sick enough to be in hospital, so our actual number of positive cases would be way higher if we'd been testing everyone with symptoms as we do now. AND we count every death with a positive test, regardless of the actual cause. Taken from the government dashboard: "Coronavirus deaths and cases give a sense of the spread of the epidemic. Deaths are counted where a lab-confirmed positive coronavirus test result is reported in any setting. This means that not all deaths reported here are caused by coronavirus" So our death rate will look much higher than countries where they count deaths differently.
If you look at Worldometer, the death rate there would only be 4% globally (deaths/cases) - and again, that is based on varying degrees of reporting from different countries, some under, some over, some doing few tests etc. So the 'real' death rate will be much lower, and that's without taking into account the asymptomatic people who we'll never know about.

Luckily the police have basically said 'piss off, we've got enough to do'.

And this forecast of 120000 deaths this winter is just fucking ridiculous. I think it must be based on us all camping on Covid wards.

Here we go...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3967504-Should-kids-wear-facemasks-in-school-to-reduce-second-wave-and-more-school-closures

Well I was looking forward to going back to work at the end of the month but the Daily Mail is blabbering on about it will be compulsory to wear face masks in offices. FFS the desks are more than 2 metres apart. 🤦‍♀️ This is never fucking ending.

@AnxiousElephant77 Make sure you email and tell Tiffany's why you're cancelling. Even though it's not their fault, if we have the retailers putting pressure on Her Majesty's clowns, it might do something.

[quote Shesingsshangrila]@LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard the other things to note with our 'death rate' is that we originally only tested the people sick enough to be in hospital, so our actual number of positive cases would be way higher if we'd been testing everyone with symptoms as we do now. AND we count every death with a positive test, regardless of the actual cause. Taken from the government dashboard: "Coronavirus deaths and cases give a sense of the spread of the epidemic. Deaths are counted where a lab-confirmed positive coronavirus test result is reported in any setting. This means that not all deaths reported here are caused by coronavirus" So our death rate will look much higher than countries where they count deaths differently.
If you look at Worldometer, the death rate there would only be 4% globally (deaths/cases) - and again, that is based on varying degrees of reporting from different countries, some under, some over, some doing few tests etc. So the 'real' death rate will be much lower, and that's without taking into account the asymptomatic people who we'll never know about.[/quote]
I know, I tried to explain this! I was hoping somewhere had worked out a realistic fatality rate based on the ONS estimate of how many cases we've actually had.

I get that many of you will (maybe) be quite educated but I just can't resist!

I get that many of you will (maybe) be quite educated but I just can't resist!

@LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard here you go, specially for your DH. If you scroll down to Table one you'll see current best estimate fatality rate is 0.0065, or 0.65%. Where on earth has he got 10% from?

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Was feeling utterly exhausted and depressed this morning. Went to a socially distanced work meeting in a colleague's garden yesterday, gosh it was so depressing. They all believe in second waves, masks, visors etc. This will go on for years apparently. We teach kids out of school due to medical reasons (mostly anxiety and MH) and we have no idea if we'll be able to do this face to face again anytime soon. MS Teams is the way forward apparently. I'm not sure I want to do this job now.

These threads are my lifeline when it feels like I'm living in a parallel universe to everyone else who is happy to mask up and embrace the new normal. Mostly lurk but needed to post today. Feeling slightly below having read the first few pages.

Still plotting to fly to Sweden on Sunday. It will become interesting to see what it's really like over there. Fewer masks I'd imagine!

If office masks are compulsory, I'm getting signed off with anxiety for the foreseeable. I've worked in an office throughout, no WFH possible with this job and as it involves getting food into supermarkets, it was essential. Either I was safe enough in here at the height of the pandemic or I was just cannon fodder. Today can do one, I'm about ready to crack.

@KaronAVyrus

Well I was looking forward to going back to work at the end of the month but the Daily Mail is blabbering on about it will be compulsory to wear face masks in offices. FFS the desks are more than 2 metres apart. 🤦‍♀️ This is never fucking ending.

And I suppose the police are going to get the delightful job of enforcing that as well, eh?

@SeaOtterFluff

If office masks are compulsory, I'm getting signed off with anxiety for the foreseeable. I've worked in an office throughout, no WFH possible with this job and as it involves getting food into supermarkets, it was essential. Either I was safe enough in here at the height of the pandemic or I was just cannon fodder. Today can do one, I'm about ready to crack.

I've been in the office throughout - if they bring this in then I'm taking my turn working from home. I refuse to sit in a practically empty office in an old building that gets roasting hot in the summer with a mask on when its been perfectly fine up till now.