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Hamilton the musical. Disappointing!

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Happybint · 07/07/2020 22:27

Just watched it on Disney plus. Its soooo long and yes some of the songs are great but it just goes on and on and feels like a big vanity project for lin manuel-miranda. Very repetitive and boring in the second half. Anyone else agree? Its had so much hype. First 40 minutes I loved it then it just went downhill.

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Magicbabywaves · 08/07/2020 06:31

Saw this in London back in February and really enjoyed it. I think as a musical it’s quite different to most others and you do need to listen to what’s being sang and also a cursory understanding of events helps. I find myself singing ‘My Shot’ quite a bit.

CormoranStrike · 08/07/2020 06:40

Oh I thought it was just me!

Maraki · 08/07/2020 06:42

We saw it in London on stage and we all hated it. It went on and on and we were just incredibly bored. I begged DH and DD to leave at the interval but after paying £200 for 3 tickets, they convinced me to stay in case it got better. It didn’t.
That was £200 and 3.5 hours of my life I will never get back.

P.S. We loved Wicked and all other musicals we’ve been to.

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MrsWombat · 08/07/2020 07:10

I love Hamilton and I listen to the broadway soundtrack and other artist cover versions all the time, but DP and I preferred the live London cast to this recording. Still cried though. Grin

Definitely watch with subtitles.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/07/2020 07:11

@noblegiraffe

It was ok, but Lin Manuel Miranda would never have got the part if he hadn’t written it. The other actors/singers blew him out of the water.

I completely agree with this. I think he did his own work a great disservice by playing the role himself.

Even with a top-notch actor/singer in the lead role, I think there's some real "Emperor's New Clothes" stuff going on. It was ok. Some of the songs were clever and some of the performances were terrific. But there are much better musicals out there. Six, for example, leave it in the dust, IMO.

MrsWombat · 08/07/2020 07:14

One thing I loved in the live show is the line "Ben Franklin and the key and the kite, you see it right?" in Satisfied. The lights buzzed and you can't quite see it on the recording.

kittlesticks · 08/07/2020 07:14

We watched it in two parts and I had a job trying to persuade DH to watch the rest, I think it just needed all our concentration to follow it, we put the subtitles on which is a benefit of watching it on tv Grin
Anyway I thought the guy playing Alexander Burr was fantastic and especially 'wait for it' was really amazing. I was a bit ignorant to all the info because we had hoped to see it on stage and I hadn't read much about it. Anyway I had to pause it to google why they had cast someone in the lead role who couldn't sing quite as well as the others Blush but then I got it.
I did think it was all really well acted and I was really admiring how much work went into it, but I would say that it isn't up there in my list of things to see once we get out of this situation.
I'm a big les mis fan, and I thought every song had the intensity of one day more, but without a memorable tune!

Gatr · 08/07/2020 07:19

I think something is lost in the recording. I think that with any musical recording though as you dont get the atmostphere, miss lots of the staging (Hamilton has some fantastic bits with choreography that dont come across on tv) etc, you miss the scale and the sound aspects of it.

All musicals on stage play to make sure the cheap seats can hear/understand so when theres close ups or clear audio I always think it looks repetitive and over acted because you get the inferences much quicker.

I agree i preferred the London hamilton, however some of it is just style choice. Londons was much less agressive, and more awkward.

imalittlethrowaway · 08/07/2020 07:19

I was expecting not to like it because I’m not usually keen on history. I find Les Mis a real drag. But I really loved it! There’s several songs that have been stuck in my head. I generally love musicals anyway though, I’ve seen Wicked over 20 times Grin

Mumdiva99 · 08/07/2020 07:35

The first time I saw LMM was in James Cordens Car Pool Karaoke - I was underwhelmed. Couldn't work out what he was about. Then j started seeing clips of the cast of Hamilton performing- google them at the white House.
I got the music on CD and it is a work of genius. The way the songs work together. The layers. The refrains. The score stands up on it's own. I played it over and over.

We also payed a huge amount to see it in London and I was glad I did. But...it is long. A bit too long for me to be comfortable. The staging is also great, the choreography so impressive, the costumes fabulous.

I watched it this weekend. I actually thought LMM was great as Hamilton. He completely held his own. But I wouldn't watch it over and over. (But I don't tend to watch much obsessively).

For the previous poster who said Six blows this out the water....they are so so different there is no comparison. Six is a collection of Six individual songs. That's it. The songs don't weave together, don't contain refrains that are used all the way through, don't build on each other. Yes it's great and I have tickets to see it for a second time. But in years to come Hamilton will hold its own....Six is a product of now and won't last. (Imho).

PurpleFlower1983 · 08/07/2020 07:39

I saw it in London (£200 a ticket!) and it was brilliant but the Broadway cast were much better.

ThanksItHasPockets · 08/07/2020 07:41

There’s a really big difference between between ‘I didn’t like it’ and ‘it’s the emperor’s new clothes’. It’s OK if you didn’t like it. It doesn’t make it a bad show. Hype forms totally impossible expectations and I do agree that it makes some people exaggerate their negative reviews to show just how individual they are, unlike all the sheeple.

Part of the hype is to do with how ground-breaking it has been. It has shown that rap and hip-hop sells on Broadway and worldwide. It has opened up casting diversity dramatically. It is, objectively, very cleverly written and constructed but it’s OK if that left you cold. If you aren’t used to fully sung-through musicals it is a lot to take in.

Incidentally it has exactly the same running time as Les Mis, and it’s only 5 minutes longer than Wicked (which I personally found very dull). Someone said that Six was better, which is ridiculous. Six is great, but a) it would never have got funding without the success of Hamilton and b) it doesn’t attempt a quarter of Hamilton’s staging or choreography.

Scrumpyjacks · 08/07/2020 07:50

Not a fan. Watched it on Disney on Sunday. No stand out song for me and I needed a synopsis up in my phone to check I knew what was going on. I'm a massive musicals fan but this was underwhelming. Glad I watched it so I know I didn't really enjoy it. Watched the whole thing but wouldn't watch it again. The king stood out for me, much needed light hearted character.
Six the musical is much better. 90 minutes of brilliance.

confusedg · 08/07/2020 07:51

One thing I loved in the live show is the line "Ben Franklin and the key and the kite, you see it right?" in Satisfied. The lights buzzed and you can't quite see it on the recording.

I don't understand this, am I not getting something? It's a clever reference & wordplay but this is one of the best things out of a more than 2 hour musical?

Disclaimer I have only managed about 1 hour so far via Disney+. I think the hip hop rhythm & lyrics are good but don't really like the "music". Will try & persevere.

TheoneandObi · 08/07/2020 07:51

Saw it live and loved it when I thought I wouldn't. DH didn't.
Need to watch on Disbeybwith 22 year old DD to see how she assesses it.
I think I liked that it was history (ok, embellished but not wholly made up). It was an extra dimension. And some of the tunes were fab. I'm not a musicals person at all generally

Zhampagne · 08/07/2020 07:54

But there are much better musicals out there. Six, for example, leave it in the dust, IMO.

Hamilton is the reason that you have heard of Six (unless you are an aficionado of Cambridge student theatre)!

toomanypillows · 08/07/2020 08:03

I really enjoyed Hamilton.

I'm finding this thread really interesting because for my PhD thesis I'm looking into the role of recording live theatre and what this adds or detracts from the experience.

Actors I've interviewed have discussed how the nights that they know they are being recorded have a different energy to them (even though a good chunk of audience is still in the building) because they plan, prepare and rehearse differently for the camera. They also discuss the pressure of knowing that THIS performance is recorded forever, when theatre art is intrinsically about the fleeting moment. A snapshot of time that exists only in experience and memory - many actors have said that in a theatre production, this is at the heart of their design and process and so the very act of brining a camera into the mix, challenges and alters that whole notion.

There is also a debate on the fact that the "filmic" quality of the camera's focus can inhibit the overall production - a PP mentioned that the close-ups mean we miss out on the other things that are happening on the stage even if only for a handful of seconds. This is really important in live theatre, because it is designed as a whole production and all of those nuances around the acting area add up to the whole. When you do this for the whole production, there's a sizable chunk of detail and intent the audience miss.

Also there is an entire section of my research devoted to the issue with the actual concept of theatre - a shared experience with that specific group of people only at any given time: actors, cast, audience, crew etc. With that cohort, in that time, with those environmental factors - each version only happens once. And we go to the theatre intrinsically aware of that.
It moves to the screen, and that vital knowledge no longer exists because we've changed the genre.

I'm fascinated by all of this and the variety of response on this thread really highlights much of my research.

gotothecooler · 08/07/2020 08:05

I wonder if it really is just lack of understanding that lead so many people to not like HAMILTON. It's a really complex show, i have seen it multiple times and still notice things I haven't before. I mean I realise everyone isn't going to like it, of course, but I can't help but wonder if some just simply don't understand it.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 08/07/2020 08:09

I'm an actor. I understood it. And I know there are better shows out there.

gotothecooler · 08/07/2020 08:11

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal

I'm an actor. I understood it. And I know there are better shows out there.

You are just one person though. I do think there are others who just don't understand it.

Zhampagne · 08/07/2020 08:11

Comparing Six and Hamilton is like comparing a fish and chip supper with a ten-course banquet. They’re both delicious but they are completely different.

Six is approx nine (?) songs with a few reprises. It makes very clever use of the concert format to get away with being semi-staged. And yes, it would never have got a west end transfer from Edinburgh if Hamilton hadn’t shown that there is a market for history.

Hamilton is fully staged with a cast of 20+. Every principle character has their own musical motif which is introduced and then subverted. The finale to the first act, ‘Non-Stop’, does this with particular complexity - using EXACTLY the same technique at exactly the same point as ‘One Day More’ in Les Mis.

BedknobsNoBroomsticks · 08/07/2020 08:13

DD would not stop going on about it a few years ago so I gave in and bought us tickets to the show. I was not looking forward to it. I was hooked from the first moment. The music sucks you in from the beginning. I would recommend the live show to everyone.

ThanksItHasPockets · 08/07/2020 08:13

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal

I'm an actor. I understood it. And I know there are better shows out there.
In which case you know how ludicrous it is to compare Hamilton and Six!
Habbyhadno · 08/07/2020 08:13

I was excited to see it but switched it off after 20 mins. As OP said, it seemed like a vanity project and I found it quite cringey, I couldn't go on.

bilbotoy · 08/07/2020 08:20

I wonder if it really is just lack of understanding that lead so many people to not like HAMILTON. It's a really complex show, i have seen it multiple times and still notice things I haven't before. I mean I realise everyone isn't going to like it, of course, but I can't help but wonder if some just simply don't understand it

I wonder if people have listened to rap & hip hop before which is full of excellent wordsmiths.

What do you think people don't understand?