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LadyOfTheImprovisedBath · 07/07/2020 13:50

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LivinLaVidaLoki · 09/07/2020 05:40

@NoisyBrain
Sorry for the late response. That is complete bullshit. One of my cousins works in operations at the airport and he thinks its hilarious how the British are twisting the guidance to make it sound so awful.

There is a form to complete online before you travel. If you don't have a link I'll pm you. They do ask where you are staying but not for those reasons.

There is random testing at the airport. Of you are tested you isolate for up to 24 hours until you get your result. If its positive, you isolate for 2 weeks at accommodation provided by the government. If negative, happy days, enjoy your holiday.

That's why they need your contact, to send your result. They can't quarantine all from a plane as they don't know who was sat there, or even when they caught it. They're not going to quarantine hundreds of people when the one who got it could easily have picked it up somewhere else.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 09/07/2020 06:09

Can I also add, on that note, whenever I see dementors go on about how we are the laughing stock of Europe I just laugh and think "we are pal, but not for the mess the govt have made of this. But they cannot believe that we are washing our groceries, post boxes and car door handles and quarantining our post and grassing our neighbours up to the police for sitting on benches or having an extra walk a day.They think we are insane.
I saw an advert for hand gel a while ago that illustrated these points and sent it to my cousins wife. They thought it was the funniest thing they have ever seen.

wanderings · 09/07/2020 06:56

I was born in 1979. At primary in 1991, we were sat down and told about the then Gulf War, and that we had nothing to fear from it; I suppose it was in case any of us heard "do you know there's a war on?". Some of us had recently read Goodnight Mister Tom. The thing that scared me most about war was not being killed, it was... wait for it... EVACUATION.

@PatriciaHolm That's the first time I've seen the legendary "coughs and sneezes spread diseases" mentioned since March. It's also interesting that the word "disease" hasn't been used much; it's all "the virus" or "Covid".

I think I taught myself to disbelieve "scary warnings" at a young age. One example is that as a child, I was given the sage advice that if I wore shoes without socks, terrible things would happen, such as my toes falling off, or the shoes walking away without me. As soon as I realised this wasn't true, I went sockless frequently, to make a point; and nothing terrible happened, not even blisters. (We were also made to go sockless at primary school, walking from the classroom to the assembly hall for PE.) Has anyone noticed how with adverts for trainers nowadays, whoever is modelling them frequently appears to be sockless, even if they are probably wearing invisible socks? If I'd believed the earlier advice, I'd now be cowering, saying "don't they know their toes will fall off?".

I think I formed my own risk assessments at a young age, and realised that adults say "scary mind control" things all the time, which is why I've very sceptical of the rubbish from Boris's mouth. Give the man a muzzle, if muzzles are the holy grail of beating the virus!

wanderings · 09/07/2020 07:10

I'll also add that if you see someone on the tube wearing a Scream mask, or skeleton hoodie zipped right over the head, it's probably me. I intend to rebel against mask-wearing becoming normal any way I can. Now I want one with the slogan "muzzled by Boris". Have we seen any pictures of him wearing a mask? Or is he personally against them, so he gets his merry men to give the mask advice instead? I avoid watching TV so I don't know.

GrrrrrrArghhhhh · 09/07/2020 07:18

Born in '72... have always consider myself a child of the 80s, I guess because that's when I was a teen? Clearly remember the warming films though, along with much more freedom to explore without adults than I ever afforded my three, and the joys of riding in the (gold, ford escort) estate car boot when we had a load of kids to transport!

I quite liked Charlie... does that make me weird?

BogRollBOGOF · 09/07/2020 07:21

I'm definitely an 80s kid born early on in the decade with a long memory and an older brother so have quite strong memories of 84 onwards. Became a teenager in the early end of the 90s. Adult by the Millenium.

There was a thing separating off "Xennials" a small generation overlap of the last few years of the 70s/ early 80s and that rang very true. Analogue childhood, digital adulthood. That rang very true to me. I think I'm technically supposed to be a Millennial by about 2 months and it just doesn't ring true at all, and feel much more late Gen X.

It was a transition point with mobile phones becoming widely avaliable just as we reached adilthood, not an executive yuppie must-have (My dad had a car phone wired in from the 80s Grin ) Email was just taking off. 24 hour internet access in the uni computer rooms (brilliant when living on campus). But growing up with answers on a post card for TV competitions, Ceefax and sending off a self addressed envelope if you wanted a fact sheet Grin

I remember Kite Boy being fried by the pylon.
Train Points Boy getting his foot stuck and crushed.
Brown Duffle Coat Boy being offered sweets.
And Charlie. Erugh.

BogRollBOGOF · 09/07/2020 07:25

Oh yes, childhood travels in the boot of an estate car.

Although it's little more tgan a decade since I travelled around Tibet in the boot of a 4x4. There was one more person than seat in the car, and it was nicer in the boot, nestked up with sleeping bags than cramped across the back seat. I took thanks for my nobel sacrifice with grace with the smug secret that the boot was better for dealing with the altitude sickness and just watching the Himalayas roll by. Grin

Worldgonecrazy · 09/07/2020 07:45

@wanderings

No need to frighten the children (won’t someone think of the children)

You can download a ‘get out of mask wearing card’ free from the TFL website, either to print off or screen shot to your phone. The staff are not allowed to question why you are carrying it. I have one as severe distress is a valid reason (severe distress at living in dystopia) I will not wear a mask that causes more problems than it solves, drives the fear, and is pretty pointless when only 4 in every 10000 in my locality actually are testing positive for Covid.

Orangeblossom78 · 09/07/2020 07:50

I remember our family had a hulking white Austin Allegro Estate and we would all be bundled in the back, cat in a carrier, bikes, luggage for a huge drive from north Scotland to family in England. Happy days.

NothingIsWrong · 09/07/2020 07:50

@BogRollBOGOF I've heard the Xennial split out and that applies to me as well - analogue childhood for sure.

It was the 4 years I was at uni that really changed the world. When I started in 1997, we had email but it was text based via Telnet only, there were computer rooms in halls as people didn't really have their own laptops or computers. We were still all using the payphone at the end of the corridor. I learnt technical drawing using pen and ink on film, and you used to carry a wee razor blade round to scratch out the mistakes.

By the time I left in 2001, a good portion of us had mobile phones, we were doing Outlook, Word, AutoCAD for drawing. Internet was still not fast, but Napster was in existence for music.

Good times.

NoisyBrain · 09/07/2020 07:53

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Thanks, and to the pp who replied (Patricia I think?). It’s good to hear the ACTUAL word on the ground as opposed to the scaremongering version.

I know about the form, thanks Smile There’s a good chance the algorithm could select me or OH (or DS) for testing I guess, just because we’re Brits, but based on current infection rates in our area I’d hope we’d be fine. It’s apparently people 2 rows in front & behind a +ive person who have to isolate. Traced via allocated seats maybe and isolated because of spending 4 hours ‘indoors’ near an infected person I presume.

Someone on TA did make the point that if this were true then surely the quarantine hotels on Crete would be full pretty quickly! I don’t know what to believe anymore. Sigh.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 09/07/2020 07:58

@NoisyBrain
Someone on TA did make the point that if this were true then surely the quarantine hotels on Crete

Absolutely this.

Also you'd be surprised how many people are tested. You will be fine. I promise.

Kalo Taxidi!

torydeathdrug · 09/07/2020 08:00

@LivinLaVidaLoki

“But they cannot believe that we are washing our groceries, post boxes and car door handles and quarantining our post and grassing our neighbours up to the police for sitting on benches or having an extra walk a day.They think we are insane.“

^ exactly that - dh works for a multinational, his team are mainly German. They think we have gone completely mad ... literally wtaf at every team meeting.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 09/07/2020 08:04

Our local GP posted this this morning. Stating 70 percent transmission happens before you have symptoms.

Completely missing the point that you have to pretty much cough or sneeze on someone to pass it on, or at the very least be within 2m for 15 mins or more.

Also there are lots of variables, are you indoors/outdoors, how long have you been in contact with this person....

Also THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT TO PASS IT ON. YOU CANNOT GET IT FROM SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE IT!

Also the stats look wrong to me. As I'm sure transmission without a mask is about 13% generally....

D = fn + (p x 0) then AD = - fn - (p x 0)
LivinLaVidaLoki · 09/07/2020 08:06

[quote torydeathdrug]@LivinLaVidaLoki

“But they cannot believe that we are washing our groceries, post boxes and car door handles and quarantining our post and grassing our neighbours up to the police for sitting on benches or having an extra walk a day.They think we are insane.“

^ exactly that - dh works for a multinational, his team are mainly German. They think we have gone completely mad ... literally wtaf at every team meeting.[/quote]
Exactly. Yet Dementors think it us, not wanting to wear masks or wanting to go to the beach or the park who are the laughing stocks....

Malakas

Nihiloxica · 09/07/2020 08:06

They think we have gone completely mad ... literally wtaf at every team meeting.

They're right. We have.

BogRollBOGOF · 09/07/2020 08:11

I had a relative fly to and from Iceland in mid-March, just as everything was building up for action...
She was sent a message shortly after saying that passengers 4 rows away had tested positive but only within 2 rows needed to isolate. She was ill with what was apparently tonsilitis within a 14 day window. A shame testing wasn't widely avaliable at that point.
She was snoozed for 30 days as she's a diva anyway and at that point in time, it was too much listening to her woes about being so ill, but refusing to consider that it might be more than tonsilitis when she knew that she'd been in quite close contact with the virus in a restricted air circulation for about 4 hours.

Worldgonecrazy · 09/07/2020 08:26

If it’s passengers two rows in front and two rows behind, I’m so glad we always reserve the front row seats (Mr Crazy has gorgeous long legs) so that reduces our risk of being near potential death carriers by 50%

Blobby10 · 09/07/2020 08:36

I was born in 1969, eldest of 4 and when my youngest sibling arrived in 1976 we didn't all fit across the back seat of the Ford estate car (no child seats, just harnesses that Dad had put in himself Grin. So either me or my brother sat in the boot with the dog - we were always told to sit still, back to the seat in front and not to pull faces at drivers behind us. Dad upgraded his car to a Volvo Estate (big excitement) in the early 80s which had a proper rear facing seat in the back with proper seatbelts!
We used to roller skate (those wheeled plates of metal which strapped onto your feet) down our drive which was steep and led to the main road pretending we were downhill skiing (bean canes provided our ski sticks!) Ski Sunday was our favourite weekend programme. Fortunately it was a quietish village without too much traffic - totally different now Sad

InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 09/07/2020 08:37

Thank you for making me laugh like a drain this morning. I’m going to SAVE LIVES today by not climbing into an abandoned fridge OR fetching a frisbee from a pylon.

Phew! Grannies - breathe easy - I’ve got this!

InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 09/07/2020 08:39

80s. 21 people in a Volvo estate. The Landy wouldn’t start and the other car hadn’t shown up. It was only for 3 Miles, aaaah the danger. The boot wouldn’t shut because people were hanging out the back of it. 😂

Supermarketworker06 · 09/07/2020 08:43

IBake we're going to do something like that now, I'm just annoyed that something so simple is now so complicated!

On the scary stuff you were told as kids (I lived overseas for a lot of the 70's so missed a lot of the PI broadcasts), my mum told me if you fiddled with your belly button, it unscrewed and your legs fell off. I didn't quite believe her but just in case......? Scarred me for life!

110APiccadilly · 09/07/2020 08:50

I was born in the late 80s. I remember having four people in the back seat of a Volvo, plus 2 on the seats in the boot when I was little. And child seats basically being an optional extra as long as the child could actually sit!!

Even in the 2000s I remember a trip where, having squeezed grandparents into the car, toddler sibling had to sit on granny's lap.

I'm not sure whether my parents were a bit more laissez-faire than average though - we were allowed out on bikes over half of North Wales from the agree of about 12 and so on. (Amazing childhood and taught us to be very independent, but of course I suppose there were risks, the highest probably being a road accident on our bikes.)

SerenityNowwwww · 09/07/2020 08:51

We used to have 7 in the car and drive to the south of France. God knows how.

We also used to regularly sit in the boot of a Volvo estate.