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[LadyOfTheImprovisedBath]

New Thread. - Hello.

Not somewhere I’d want to visit

www.edp24.co.uk/business/stanford-arms-prepares-new-experience-post-lockdown-1-6726269

@skeptile

They've set up a temporary field hospital on a racecourse near the locked-down towers.

Our ACTUAL hospitals have 7 patients in ICU with Covid. 7 people in TOTAL across ALL ICUs, across a state of 6 million. With lots of hospitals.

And ICU capacity was vastly increased during the previous lockdown, in accordance with the stated purpose of that lockdown.

But we desperately need a field hospital assembled under the gaze of the media to accommodate the plague-ridden from the towers.

Where else would they go?

We've just been told here that if we don't LOCKDOWN at midnight tonight for another 6 weeks, the modelers have predicted 3000 POSITIVE SWABS PER DAY.

It's all utter bullshit.

I have had a lovely day today though - a beautiful sunny Melbourne winter's day. Glorious.

And a little bit frightening.

That's utterly bonkers.

I do wonder, if a far more Liberal country than China hadn't had the first major outbreak, the culture of lockdown wouldn't have become so ubiquitous.

I don't know if I have a link as such

I think that was a joke, like the annoying twat who wants a link to "prove" your argument (especially if you are a woman).

I just wanted to hear more of your argument. I'm also aware of evidence-based policy and the dangers of techocracy, but I hadn't put it together with this. Stupidly, really.

But there was such a dearth of evidence at the start that it seemed extraordinary to take such extreme measures without it.

Are we moving from evidence to models?

Models as evidence really put this policy approach onto amphetamines, because models (although they can be useful) very much suffer from "garbage in, garbage out".

These 21st century soothsayers can say pretty much whatever they want if they have a degree from one of the correct institutions or work for one of the big tech companies.

The 'IF' is definitely missing at the beginning

Sorry about that I only realised couple of pages in that hadn't copied the If bit.

Been on Wales on-line looking for schools info - but came across an article which said 28% of welsh deaths have been in care homes and a quote from Welsh health minister saying that they "followed the science" and there was no evidence that discharging untested hospital patients in carehomes caused outbreaks in carehomes.

I would have thought common sense thinking - maybe we should be extra cautious with a particularly vunerable population or listened to people running care homes who said they wanted testing before taking patients and were put under pressure to take them anyway and wanted testing in carehome much ealier than they got it in Wales .

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/schools-wales-education-kirsty-williams-18556320 - Apparently by the end of the week we'll know the plan for Welsh schools.

I am currently awaiting a final piece of scientific advice," Ms Williams told Senedd members - this is the delay apparently.

110APiccadilly Wed 08-Jul-20 07:18:28
I remember being told (but couldn't find evidence when I googled, so it might be an urban myth) that the common cold had a devastating effect on the Eskimos when they first met Europeans.

That may well be where my 'memory' came from. I know I was quite fascinated reading about it as a child so I suspect it was in the Arthur Mee's Children's Encyclopaedia from which I learnt all sorts of random 'facts' that lurk in the corner of my brain.

I am actually grateful that this shower of shite government is presiding over this fiasco. Firstly, they get the blame for everything done badly and secondly, Corbyn would probably have us all still locked up and in receipt of state funded lentils.

I have decided that education failed decades ago. So many stupid people incapable of reading a graph, researching data, critical thinking. The only ones more stupid than the brits appear to be the yanks

I don't think that's our government's agenda, more that its slipped into a rabbit warren of populist conformism. The masses are surprisingly happy with this and raise hell when you try to restore freedom. A rhetoric has been created of battling this virus, saving the NHS and the masses don't want to hear "fuck that, let's get back to normal" so we trudge on with the limitatations imposed earlier on in the game when we knew less. The government enjoy the masses policing themselves and carry on with their own agendas.

100%

Now we know how hard it is to get out of lockdown, we must be far more vigilant about resisting future restrictions.

This is why I won't wear a mask.

I was willing to weeks (months at this point) when it was the way out of what was still a short lockdown.

But now I see how these things become a default and how shame and fear are being deliberately employed to change societal norms permanently, I will resist.

Seriously. Soooo witty banter.

Not.

Sorry @110APiccadilly I was just teasing asking for a link. You know, in that way people instantly dismiss any hypothesis of ideas or free thinking.

@justasking111

I have decided that education failed decades ago. So many stupid people incapable of reading a graph, researching data, critical thinking. The only ones more stupid than the brits appear to be the yanks

DH says you can see the changes in education though the years with his students.

Currently that there not used to writing long reports - but older lectures said you could slowly see critical thinking and questioning disappearing over time and cohorts.

I can't find the dilbert cartoon I saw recently - it was three frames - first was company man - "I want all our policies to be based on evidence" Dilbert "who is going to disagree with that and say our policies should be based no evidence" Company man "OH I just realised I'm thick".

@skeptile
It’s good to have good support.

Me and Mr Dowser jog along very well. I’m glad we are both on the same page re living our lives to the utmost.
It would’ve been hell to be married to someone pulling in the opposite direction..as I no we can’t do this, no we can’t see those..no we can’t go there..etc
It would’ve been easier to be single.

I’m in for a poorly day today. Maybe my twisted liver has dumped a whole lot of shit on my already over loaded system.
So time to be kind to myself..and stay calm for the dentist..I’m getting the needle..and more shit in my system.

My poor liver
I’ll up my intake of milk thistle and a tincture called liver support. Hypericum for nerve endings. There’s a remedy for things that sting..also used for needles..can’t remember it now..I’ll ask my dd
Argent nit for fear of dentist..or just a good all round fear remedy which I’ve been taking often through this shit show as I’m using it up pretty quickly. Then we have to go shopping.

At least, my wrists, elbows and neck aren’t hurting..something to be grateful for.
I need to remember that what I had yesterday was akin to an operation without a knife or anaesthetic.

The therapist last time he saw my husband noticed one leg was shorter than the other. He had something out of place which was causing his leg to draw up and giving him back pain.
He put it right and tHe leg went back into place.
Everything is meant to flow within the body. If something gets blocked then it throws other things out..causing pain elsewhere.

Fascinating stuff but our therapist makes it sound so simple.
It’s why I’m not keen to have grandsons jaw operated one. if it can be eased back to where it belongs so much the better.

And breathe

I’ve got till 2-30 to sort this..and watering the garden again is not a necessity

@LadyOfTheImprovisedBath

The 'IF' is definitely missing at the beginning

Sorry about that I only realised couple of pages in that hadn't copied the If bit.

Been on Wales on-line looking for schools info - but came across an article which said 28% of welsh deaths have been in care homes and a quote from Welsh health minister saying that they "followed the science" and there was no evidence that discharging untested hospital patients in carehomes caused outbreaks in carehomes.

I would have thought common sense thinking - maybe we should be extra cautious with a particularly vunerable population or listened to people running care homes who said they wanted testing before taking patients and were put under pressure to take them anyway and wanted testing in carehome much ealier than they got it in Wales .

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/schools-wales-education-kirsty-williams-18556320 - Apparently by the end of the week we'll know the plan for Welsh schools.

I am currently awaiting a final piece of scientific advice," Ms Williams told Senedd members - this is the delay apparently.

Ah. I see the problem. What you have here is a situation with inevitable consequences - but should some brave soul raise their head above the parapet and try and take ownership and provide a solution... - they’d be hounded out for “whistle-blowing” and a committe would be set up to bat around ineffectual ideas without a firm decision - Until FINALLY someone else makes a decision.

@justasking111

I have decided that education failed decades ago. So many stupid people incapable of reading a graph, researching data, critical thinking. The only ones more stupid than the brits appear to be the yanks

As someone wiser than me said Wednesday don’t educate our children, we teach them to pass exams’

It’s of interest to note that areas which require a large number of creative and innovative employees such as Silicon Valley, have seen a rise in alternative education. One CEO said I don’t need people who can use technology, I need people who can create it’

I can't find the dilbert cartoon I saw recently - it was three frames - first was company man - "I want all our policies to be based on evidence" Dilbert "who is going to disagree with that and say our policies should be based no evidence" Company man "OH I just realised I'm thick".

Yeah, Douglas Murray talks abput this.

I disagree with Murray on a lot, politically, but he's a very clear thinker and good writer.

Anyway, he says one of the best bits of advice he was given as a writer was never to write anything when only a madman would assert the opposite.

It's much harder to do than it seems like it should be.

I don't think that's our government's agenda, more that its slipped into a rabbit warren of populist conformism. The masses are surprisingly happy with this and raise hell when you try to restore freedom. A rhetoric has been created of battling this virus, saving the NHS and the masses don't want to hear "fuck that, let's get back to normal" so we trudge on with the limitations imposed earlier on in the game when we knew less. The government enjoy the masses policing themselves and carry on with their own agendas.

^ absolutely this.

Corbyn et al would have had us welded into our houses for 'our own good', massive authoritarians they'd love to do a China ; this bunch are pure populists - following the media. Ultimately they need not do anything because we have the Stasi wankers checking council tax bills before you're allowed in a cafe. Cummings can carry on with his civil service stuff, the can wheel out Wancock every now & then & Boris can prance around Being Prime Minister.

Interestingly when you ask the rational people why this pandemic is different from every other one, what's so super bad about it? - all they can come up with is it is the lockdown of the global economy that makes it special - our reaction to it, not the virus or the disease that it causes in some people. Madness.

Mr Dowser just came and said he didn’t think the aldi unsweetened almond milk did him any good.
This is someone who practically has a cast iron stomach.

So, he muscle tested it on me first and I stayed strong.
I tried it on him and he was definitely wobbly.
When I looked at ingredients it’s not just almonds and water..there’s a lot of shit in there.
We won’t be buying it again

You just have to see how the left wing governments in Wales and Scotland have behaved to see the truth in the above statement.

The reaction to it is the thing that makes it special.

Ok its own terms it is not particularly dangerous, and that has become more and more clear as time has gone by and knowledge has increased.

Hence the need to keep inventing things "we don't know" and presenting everything as terrible news.

For example - there is a clear agenda involved in discovering that a significant proportion of people infected with a virus have no symptoms at all and claiming that as terrifying proof that it can spread without anyone knowing.

Like, if it's that mild, why do we need to know about everyonr who has it?

Oh but of course, just because people have no symptoms doesn't mean they won't have long term damage!

What proof is there of this long term damage from entirely asymptomatic infection?

Zero.

But we can't be too careful. We know so little.

Except we definitely know this is a 1 in 100 years pandemic and incredibly dangerous. That question can and must be begged.

@NannyPhlegm

You just have to see how the left wing governments in Wales and Scotland have behaved to see the truth in the above statement.

I've been quite shocked about the Left parties in this country for a while now.

I'm a center left floating voter - I've only voted tory once for a local councillor who did loads for the local area we were then in.

I really want this Welsh Labour Government gone.

Our primary school has managed to arrange a leavers service (well, four separate ones) for the year 6 leavers in the church. Apologise for the short notice as they needed to check with the vicar first about CofE guidance, but they will make sure they get the service. This is good.
Not allowed to sing though but they will play songs.

I'm seeing a lot of suggestions that we are in a periods where changes like increased encroachment into new areas and climate changes plus more travel and soem industrail agricultural practices may mean we're in a period of lots of new viruses emerging.

DH had something on youtube about this last night - example I saw was west-nile-virus.

It's getting more of an issue in the states as the mix of bird species has changed - ones that don't carry it have suffered more habbit loss and are fewer in number than once were - meaning more birds around that can carry virus for mosquitoes to bite and pass on to humans. More peopel infected and suddenly people are dying from it more and more.

We can't shut down everytime - so may need better plans in place internationally just at a time international cooperation is in a down turn.

Our primary school has managed to arrange a leavers service

DD2 managing to do something for the Y6s - also working with secondary school with some work and coming to event to meet the chidlren.

I'm pretty pleased with them there - I think secondary school for once took onboard parents concern -about transition and have managed to do a bit towards it.

I'm seeing a lot of suggestions that we are in a periods where changes like increased encroachment into new areas and climate changes plus more travel and soem industrail agricultural practices may mean we're in a period of lots of new viruses emerging.

Of course you are.

Because as it becomes more obvious that Covid is not actually that dangerous compared with viruses we have lived with for millennia, we need the pretext for continuing the New Normal.

If I had little ones at home I wouldn’t even attempt to educate them and try to work at the same time.
I’d completely back off. Home is home and school is school. My daughter who has completely home edded her three never pushed lessons. The children just played for years. If they asked about something, she helped them , naturally.
The eldest taught himself to read using an old typewriter, since he was 13 he’s been teaching himself instruments. First the ukulele and now different kinds of guitars.
The middle one, bright as a button, very imaginative, really struggled with reading especially as his younger sister was reading before him. It would’ve been torture for him in a classroom setting as he a quiet, deep thinker, sensitive young soul..well I suspect old soul really. Anyway he finally got away with it by the age of 9 and now at almost 13 is teaching himself Japanese and learning the violin
The youngest one, again bright as a button, was reading at 4 ish and is a very happy crafter. She’s tried everything stage school, aerial, brownies, gymnastics, now at ten learning Spanish.
They’ve all been allowed to follow their interests and all done without pressure.

Don’t feel guilty. Don’t beat yourselves up. Just take a huge step back. We’re all in this awful mess. Now is not the time to force education down their throats.