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[TheGreatWave]

Slight tweak to the suggestion, but here it is.

Yeah the black line is non covid extra deaths - the striking thing is that care home deaths are now below average too while at hone (non covid) deaths are way too high - that’s really concerning.

Non natural deaths - murder/suicide - may not be in there though, everything is massively delayed in the courts so inquests aren’t happening.

@KaronAVyrus

I’m still genuinely shocked how most of our fundamental human rights have been taken off us and instead of there being outrage people having been cheering governments throughout the West on. None of this feels real.

I know. There's been barely a shred of protest about our loss of rights since Boris the clown condemned us to this miserable existence, with no end date (apart from that big fat lie "we can turn this around in 12 weeks"). It's unbelievable. If we ever see those overdue riots in the streets about the restrictions, then I'll be reassured that the public have come to their senses. Maybe there will be riots when furlough ends, especially if some businesses are still not allowed back by then. I thought Tony Blair was a big liar (and he is the reason I don't believe anything politicians say, especially the prime minister), but Boris's mind games is making him pale into insignificance.

Someone, somewhere, possibly not even on Mumsnet has today posted as if it is accepted fact, that we're still supposed to only go out if we have to, that we must always wear a mask, and if we want to go out for a non essential journey we should try to do it at a quiet time.

FFS!!!!!!!

and if we want to go out for a non essential journey we should try to do it at a quiet time.

So everyone goes out at a quiet time. Great logic there.

Yep, and I'm interpreting "only go out if we have to" very, very loosely indeed.

"The important thing is we protect the NHS - the best way we can do this is if it doesn’t treat any patients, ever."

Can I jump on your thread to make a point about this? I had a baby 9 weeks ago and I have been getting horrendous pelvic pain to the point it has had me in tears at times. I rang the GP surgery and was just told I would get an appointment for my 8 week check and could discuss it then. Well my appoinment finally came last Friday. I answered the questions about my non existant covid symptoms on the pre appointment telephone call, wore a mask like I was asked, stood in my designated box in the queue to get to the buzzer to be granted acess, eventually got to the front and was asked about my non existant covid symptoms again from the other side of a metal door to eventually reach the thermometer check. Now it was 20c outside, I had stood in queue for 15 mins in a mask. My temperature was SLIGHTLY raised and I was not granted access to the fortress. I was sent home and told to rebook after a test or in two weeks. I did my temp again at home - normal. I did not have covid but I do have awful pains 😭😭

This Australian AD got her a-ds at the doctor's this morning...

Thought you lovely people might like to read the Australian Association of Social Worker's sensible and compassionate response to our Premier's actions re the tower block residents (it's a bit long, apologies, but it really cheered me up):

'We are closely monitoring the situation in the public housing towers in inner Melbourne. This is a complex and rapidly evolving situation.
While we recognise that public health must always come first, we need to make sure that if lockdowns are directed, they are being applied in a proportionate manner, that communication is delivered promptly and understood by those whom it affects, and that already marginalised people are not being targeted instead of supported.
We welcome the inclusion of social workers in the response to the needs of the tenants during this difficult time. We are finding that there was a regrettable lack of communication and notice to the tenants before a police presence to enforce lockdown was deployed on the weekend. It was disappointing to see that the response was law enforcement-driven, rather than care-focused. We know that many of the tenants have complex needs, including requiring medication, having children and other family members in their care, and in many instances, their first language is not English, making it difficult for some tenants to understand what was happening and why. Many of the residents in the towers who have escaped violence and armed conflict found the sudden presence of armed police at their home to be insensitive and re-traumatising.
We commend the work of the community sector, including social workers, who are delivering food and supplies to tenants, and providing much needed supports. The translation of information into languages other than English is being driven by the community itself.
We acknowledge the new arrangements that have been announced today to address the new surge in cases of COVID-19. We appreciate that Victorian Premier Dan Andrews’ assurance that the current arrangements for residents of the public housing towers will not continue for any longer than necessary.'

Followed by a list of charities supporting the residents to donate to.

Throughout this pandemic, I've been shocked over and over again by the lack of compassion shown toward those whose life circumstances mean that they simply can't afford to measure risk in the most cautious way possible.

Why has the global response been so overwhelmingly myopic?

Who benefits?

I think the disease is 'real', please don't misunderstand me.

But the potential for tyranny is also real.

@TheGreatWave

and if we want to go out for a non essential journey we should try to do it at a quiet time.

So everyone goes out at a quiet time. Great logic there.

Now now stop looking for complications its really just black and white. If someone says its a quiet time then it is end of... no matter how many people rock up you are just being argumentative.

I have a theory. Obviously it was established yesterday that we are scientifically illiterate on here so feel free to disregard!

I just feel that this virus is going round the globe, burning through the population with quite a big degree of ferocity to those most vulnerable, but burn through it does. However, once it has been in an area it doesn't seem to have many 'victims' left and cases/numbers continue downwards even when restrictions are lifted.

My son is at uni in the states so obviously I have a vested interest in how soon I can send him back! If you drill down on worldometer by state then NY, NJ, Illinois, Massachusetts etc all have graphs and curves that look very like ours. The headlines are all about the south, but they took ages to get going, the exception to that is California, whose numbers do seem all over the place.

So what does this mean for lockdown as a strategy? Makes me think the virus is gonna do what the virus is gonna do and the only reason for suppression is to wait for better treatments - of which we have definitely more options now.

I know we just don't seem to be able to get to the bottom of antibodies and immunity but if the T cell research has got legs then the burn through argument could stand up because many more of us may either have had it, or more likely, are never going to get it, because of T cells.

Don't really know where I'm going with this, I just find it interesting that cases aren't spiralling out of control in areas that had a really high exposure to the virus once they lift restrictions.

And does that mean that situations like Australia are unavoidable as they went for suppression and it then leaves them vulnerable as soon as they lift restrictions because it's not already burnt through. Fine, if you can afford to prop up your economy indefinitely!

Will we ultimately decide that Sweden nailed it?

With slogans, here are some I can think of off the top of my head, although I'm not sure if I'd dare to wear them in public, where dementors might be about

End the madness, save lives
This is NOT my new normal
Live, not merely exist
Common sense has been muzzled
Tory Boris destroys business
Swimming pools kill you, but Boris says pubs are fine
Don't sleepwalk into 1984
What would Dominic Cummings do?

My last grandparent died in 1973. Hopefully wearing a mask won't resurrect her.

@skeptile

This Australian AD got her a-ds at the doctor's this morning...

Thought you lovely people might like to read the Australian Association of Social Worker's sensible and compassionate response to our Premier's actions re the tower block residents (it's a bit long, apologies, but it really cheered me up):

'We are closely monitoring the situation in the public housing towers in inner Melbourne. This is a complex and rapidly evolving situation.
While we recognise that public health must always come first, we need to make sure that if lockdowns are directed, they are being applied in a proportionate manner, that communication is delivered promptly and understood by those whom it affects, and that already marginalised people are not being targeted instead of supported.
We welcome the inclusion of social workers in the response to the needs of the tenants during this difficult time. We are finding that there was a regrettable lack of communication and notice to the tenants before a police presence to enforce lockdown was deployed on the weekend. It was disappointing to see that the response was law enforcement-driven, rather than care-focused. We know that many of the tenants have complex needs, including requiring medication, having children and other family members in their care, and in many instances, their first language is not English, making it difficult for some tenants to understand what was happening and why. Many of the residents in the towers who have escaped violence and armed conflict found the sudden presence of armed police at their home to be insensitive and re-traumatising.
We commend the work of the community sector, including social workers, who are delivering food and supplies to tenants, and providing much needed supports. The translation of information into languages other than English is being driven by the community itself.
We acknowledge the new arrangements that have been announced today to address the new surge in cases of COVID-19. We appreciate that Victorian Premier Dan Andrews’ assurance that the current arrangements for residents of the public housing towers will not continue for any longer than necessary.'

Followed by a list of charities supporting the residents to donate to.

Throughout this pandemic, I've been shocked over and over again by the lack of compassion shown toward those whose life circumstances mean that they simply can't afford to measure risk in the most cautious way possible.

Why has the global response been so overwhelmingly myopic?

Who benefits?

I think the disease is 'real', please don't misunderstand me.

But the potential for tyranny is also real.

It's horrific but I am pleased they are getting some support - and from the sound of it from very person focused non dementory way.

@Jrobhatch29 Thats really shit! In my experience HCPs can be quite dismissive of women's pregnancy & birth related pain at the best of times, so this will just be an excuse for them to perpetuate the same shitty attitude

@Jrobhatch29 that's terrible, you poor thing. Can I suggest you take it further and a good place to start is by making an official complaint. Sometimes it's the only way to get anywhere.

@wanderings Bravo! Would happily wear any of those on a t-shirt, and if I'm made to muzzle up I'll get busy with my sharpie marker first

Ibake, yes.

Victoria's Premier has said we need to get used to this rolling cycle of lockdown 'until there's vaccine'. (He actually said 'Things won't get back to normal until there's a vaccine.')

Will we ultimately decide that Sweden nailed it?

Personally my gut feeling is yes.

We were on that path until the press started screaming about young people dying without any context.

Had a quick look on a thread and run away. People freaking out because people still test positive? Accusing pub goers of murdering pensioners? (It's an automatic death sentence apparently.) We should still only go out for absolute essentials and only 5 minutes away from your front door!

Ok let's all stay home. Then let's see what happens when you go for fecking essentials and shops are shut, no deliveries, no public transport, no bin collections etc . Why should anyone else risk thier granny's lives to make sure you can stay at home when you are perfectly healthy? What about all the actually real vulnerable people? Who will get food to them?
How the hell do they think the country is still running after 6 months? If we all cowered indoors we would all be dead of starvation! They cant see past the nose on thier faces.

While we recognise that public health must always come first

This is their mistake.

Who says public health must ALWAYS come first?

And why must we accept that?

It reminds me of people who say that if a person has children, they must ALWAYS come first.

So in ALL circumstances your children must come FIRST.

Not that once you are a parent you always have to consider the welfare of your children, but they must ALWAYS be FIRST.

Nothing any parent (or, god forbid step-parent) ever does is of any consequence ever again. No weighing up of needs over time and circumstances - nope just one priority to which everything else is now subordinate.

If we accept that public health must ALWAYS come first, we are conceding that a lot of things that used to matter no longer have any standing.

Of mask wearing is made compulsory I’m definitely borrowing ‘common sense has been muzzled’

@Jrobhatch29

"The important thing is we protect the NHS - the best way we can do this is if it doesn’t treat any patients, ever."

Can I jump on your thread to make a point about this? I had a baby 9 weeks ago and I have been getting horrendous pelvic pain to the point it has had me in tears at times. I rang the GP surgery and was just told I would get an appointment for my 8 week check and could discuss it then. Well my appoinment finally came last Friday. I answered the questions about my non existant covid symptoms on the pre appointment telephone call, wore a mask like I was asked, stood in my designated box in the queue to get to the buzzer to be granted acess, eventually got to the front and was asked about my non existant covid symptoms again from the other side of a metal door to eventually reach the thermometer check. Now it was 20c outside, I had stood in queue for 15 mins in a mask. My temperature was SLIGHTLY raised and I was not granted access to the fortress. I was sent home and told to rebook after a test or in two weeks. I did my temp again at home - normal. I did not have covid but I do have awful pains 😭😭

My zombie Granny is grateful for your sacrifice. 🙏

In fairness, post partum women have always been a pain in the arse for doctors.

"You've got your baby. Shut up moaning and be grateful."

That's so shit and I'm so sorry.

willow I am so sorry, I will go out and clap. Well I would but the lock on the door is broken so I can't get out.

I did consider making a complaint, but then they will just say they have to protect their empty GP surgery from Covid at all costs. I asked If I could go and sit outside for 10 mins to cool down and have temperature retaken. Nope!

@Jrobhatch29

I did consider making a complaint, but then they will just say they have to protect their empty GP surgery from Covid at all costs. I asked If I could go and sit outside for 10 mins to cool down and have temperature retaken. Nope!

For God's sake, you might be a reptile for all they know and drop temperature easily due to being cold blooded.

No, giving birth does NOT prove you are a mammal. FGS.

(This is all starting to seem weirdly familiar. )

Jrobhatch29
Complain like hell. That's awful treatment and blindingly ignorant that any hcp doesn't know stand in a hit place for ages wouldn't have an effect on your temp.
Next time exaggerate the pain in the queue, ask for a seat as its agony, make them listen.

The neglect of HCP in all this is appaling.