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We got a bit cut off there didn't we? Thread 15 now.

www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-comments-reported-in-the-media-by-prof-alberto-zangrillo-about-the-covid-19-virus-in-italy/
These experts don't think there's evidence of weakening yet either.

Though doesn't mean it's not just there's not the genetic and scientific evidence out there yet for it.

DH always said with black death and other illnesses might not be the virus changing but the population -ie most susceptible have already sadly died.

Though could also be they understand better what the impact on body is and treatment has been impoved or tweaked just enough to give more in particulaly susceptible population more or a chance.

Still less very ill people is very good news all round.

That would tie in with how quite a few older people have been more 'whatever will be will be' to the exasperation of their adult children. They maybe have been through past illnesses and realise there is risk around everything they do. (perhaps!)

They are more aware I think of their own mortality. So if your risk of dying is 10% in the next year and your risk of dying if covid is 10% then you may just want to get on with making the most of it. Whereas all the policy is being driven by middle aged adults who aren’t ready to die and seem to want to treat older people like children. Even more bizarre is the idea that children have given up lots for older people, I am yet to come across an older person who thinks that schools being shut to save lives of people in care homes is a good idea. It’s all being driven by gen X and older millennials people my age who consider they know better than people of other ages, the whole thing is totally fucked up.

I had a night out last night, just amazing and we are off to the zoo today. Even as a keen road cyclist my bike is staying in the garage and I’m going to wilfully not meet my 100 mile target this week for the first time in ages. Woohooo.

Hello everyone :)

Had a lovely yesterday (probably very murderous!!) Walked to our local beach, and let dcs have a play in the sand. We even had an ice cream! - from a van!! I dread to think how many we have done for

A better one from the BBC about the realities of 'home schooling' etc

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53100297?intlink_from_url=www.bbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus&link_location=live-reporting-story" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53100297?intlink_from_url=www.bbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus&link_location=live-reporting-story

For this one, Nicola needs to go first as they go back in Aug, interested to see what happens there. She's not got long

@LadyOfTheImprovisedBath it is likely that in highly affected areas (like Italy and the UK) we have all to some extent been exposed to covid even if we haven’t caught it. This may well impact on how the immune system reacts if you get a higher viral load and become ill. It’s true that there is no hard evidence, but there is equally no evidence that everyone who catches it and recovers gets antibodies. We are however constantly bombarded with ‘only 5% have had it’ due to antibody testing when I personally know 2 people who had a positive covid test but have tested negative for antibodies.

Negative assertions are seemingly reasonable hypotheses without evidence, but any positive hypothesis is immediately dismissed as ‘nonsense’ due to lack of evidence. It’s just ridiculous frankly.

Love the sign karon! Although I think NS staring down at me would make my body involuntarily seal closed!

ladybath I agree with your husband... and to go a step further - with the advances we’ve had in medical science over the last few decades, there are people alive who in previous times would not have been. Mother Nature is a cruel mistress.

There are big decisions needing to be made - and no matter which line the government takes, they’ll endure the wrath of some.

Part of me still believes we’re going to get it bad in winter, and there’s a train of thought says this thing likes the cold - so why are we now relatively unscathed in Scotland? We’ve not been basking in the heat around these parts!

Hindsight is a wonderful thing for all facets of life.

Also talk about how they might make people sign in to pubs in case of needing tracked and traced! Would put me off the pub i think

I’m agreeing with you by the way, I realise that may not be clear from my post

Orangeblossom78 I think she's going to have to give some ground on this one. Even ardent SNP supporters must see that 2 days schooling and potentially no exams for an entire academic year,because of a disease that killed 2 people is a tad disproportionate.

So I think schools will have to work it all out again ( how handy that they've already calculated the numbers at 1.5m and it gets them to the magic 50% schooling) , but we'll all pay for it in different ways like outdoor pubs not being allowed to open ( those spitty, shouty drinkers you see) and shops within a shopping centre that don't already meet the odd criteria - was surprised to see W H Smith open in the Gyle, surely it stopped selling anything anybody wanted in about 1996.

What I'm not sure about is foreign travel and quarantine periods - if that's determined locally or centrally ? If it's centrally I'm thinking mu rather optimistic 1-8th Aug trip to Majorca might be on. Ole !

Sorry killed 2 people yesterday- it is a bit more serious than that overall

Negative assertions are seemingly reasonable hypotheses without evidence, but any positive hypothesis is immediately dismissed as ‘nonsense’ due to lack of evidence. It’s just ridiculous frankly.

I don't disagree.

I also don't disagree about the antibody testing not being as a reliable indicator as expected.

However the experts I linked to were saying virus DNA hasn't changed signifiantly - so they have some evidence for saying can't say yet it's weakening.

It's still good news - even if it's not clear why- that people seem to be less sick than previously.

X-posts Teateaandmoretea

I don't think were disagreeing - and it is very frustating that every bit of good news is immediately dismissed.

Even finding a drug that helps the very sick wasn't considered good news by some which is mad.

Yeah I just re read my post and realised it read like something out of AIBU 🤦🏻‍♀️

*It's still good news - even if it's not clear why- that people seem to be less sick than previously.

^^exactly and rather than dismissing it perhaps they should try and work out why. It might help other countries .....

was chatting to some york taxi drivers about 4pm yesterday.
One said he’d had no money for 11 weeks and had made £5 so far .
I think we will see a lot of services like this disappear.
If you’ve been planning a trip to york , I really wouldn’t just yet.
It feels really regimented.
The queues for boots and tkmaxx were off putting.
Lots of coffee shops and bakeries open. In fact it was quite a bizarre assortment of shops which I don’t understand. A camera shop open, Jessops shut. That sort of thing.
Even the street entertainment was a bit lack lustre
Normally we get a lot of mileage out of york but after a couple of hours I said to dh, let’s go back to the caravan .
I’m glad we did. We met our new neighbours and had a good chat with them in the sunshine.
They’ve completely redone their caravan, she’s an interior designer. They’ve practically rebuilt it. Ripped out the seating , gutted the bathroom , put up those white indoor shutters etc We did a lot to ours, but stopped at wall painting and removing the stuff on the cabinetry to repaint it white. ( which is what I would love. Be still you green eyed monster.)
My lovely dh is not a gardener, a diy enthusiast, or decorator....sadly.
However we did redo a lot of ours. I recovered the seating and am pleased with it, but now and again I give it the critical eye and think hmmm that corner is not very professional....the. I thought hang on, you’re not going down that track. It’s lovely. You’re lucky. Be grateful.

Came home and saw the daughter of our neighbour, now in a care home. Her husband is the only person I know to have died from covid. He was 78 and in good health. I don’t know. I didn’t know him . She’s lovely. A bit younger than I am , doesn’t look her age. All very sad.
Not sure what to do today.

I’m just very impatient to get everything open.

Morning all.
Well i think that's genius! Good old Trump has solved many medical problems in one fell swoop🤣 I am so excited because if i don't get another blood test in 3 weeks I will be 'cured'. Fantastic😄😄

Sunny here but has been raining so can't get field grass cut grrr. But it was so bloody hot too. Nowhere exciting to go either. Have promised ds2 I will dye my hair at last and will do a bit of his too. This could be good or bad!

Am trying to stay away from all covid related nonsense for a day or 2 (except the positive measured approach on here) as despite all the good news and growing optimism people are still doom and glooming and desperate for it to be worse. They can gtf for today.

Got a new plant to pot up to keep me busy for a while. And my tomato seed seedlings are growing so I am happy. Ok so i am easy pleased😂

Love the official bathroom notice😄

Part of me still believes we’re going to get it bad in winter

I've seen experts from the start saying it could well end up like seasonal flu or other coronaviruses we still have - flipping between the hemispheres with winter and being worse some years than others but then there are so those who think it will burn out.

^^exactly and rather than dismissing it perhaps they should try and work out why. It might help other countries .....

The DNA bank in UK is looking at people's genetics to see if ther could work out who was more susceptible and undertand better to help find drugs.

www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/13/coronavirus-patient-dna-study-could-tell-us-why-some-fare-worse

There are other groups traking the virus DNA - back to source and any changes and many drug trial ongoing.

We've know about the virus for five months and found out a lot about in that time - which could in itself be said to be a good news story though saying that probably makes me a psychopath who doesn't care about the numbers who have died.

[quote SomewhereEast]**@SeagoingSexpot* I find it really interesting that the "virus is weakening" theories are coming from Italian HCP who've been at the forefront of dealing with the virus for nearly six months now, but are being dismissed by some virologists for theoretical reasons related to what such viruses are meant* to do. My instinct is not to dismiss the people who've been directly dealing with Covid patients for many months[/quote]
I think it's fair enough for virologists to comment that they are not seeing evidence for this at the RNA level, if that's the case - I'm only really annoyed by the Demented dismissing of any good news out of hand. And it is appropriate to err on the side of caution in a situation like this until you have a fairly substantial evidence base. That said, the news from multiple sources does appear to be that a significantly lower proportion of people unwell enough to be in hospital need ventilation or are critically unwell, and more are recovering, even the very elderly. That might be because the virus is reduced in virulence, or because the most susceptible have already caught it, or another reason we've not thought of. I find the second a bit more implausible though as I can't see any reason why transmission among the most vulnerable (which, apart from age and general unwellness, doesn't seem to be entirely predictable) would be significantly faster than population transmission overall, although obviously localised transmission among vulnerable groups can be tragically rapid within a nursing home or hospital.

I found you all! Busy day yesterday with work and need to catch up on the thread now.

Out and about in the West End of Glasgow yesterday. It was an okay day weather-wise but it was heaving like a heatwave. The Botanics under a sea of bodies. Some masks but mostly not. Little in the way of social distances bar the odd person flinging themselves into the busy road. Hard to social distance on the pavements anyway as there's all the shop queues there now, and people waiting for their takeaway coffees to be ready.

I'm only really annoyed by the Demented dismissing of any good news out of hand.

This is what we all agree on.

Talking to British non-dementory HCPs who work in hospitals is interesting too as they have their own experiences to form opinions on. It’s hard to post stuff though because it’s potentially too recognisable.

I have broken my shielding and gone (extremely carefully) to a shop. I have cake. I haven't been this happy in (literally) months!

I'm not dead yet. I'll keep you posted though...

YY also agree about older people not wanting this. Clearly I am not older  as although I do have some adult DC, I had them young  and the very last thing I would want to do is curtail their lives for my own benefit.

I understand where people have a shielding DC this is a completely different situation. I think, other than that situation, asking DC to totally stay in the house and not interact with anyone or go to school if they wanted to, is actually more harmful to then than it is beneficial for the adult. Especially where the adult isn't shielding, just worried. I don't really like judging other people's parenting, but we do judge don't we, when we see harmful behaviour like a DC being hit in the street, and perhaps we should judge this situation as harmful towards a DC.

No doubt some people would judge me for having my beliefs and not adhering 100% to shielding and say the usual you're risking them growing up without a mother but I have decided as they are older (and I have lots of life insurance )
I think they would rather not have a mother not having a total breakdown at what is already a shit enough time for them.

I also wonder if shielding is relaxed/stopped/pausing how they square the circle of "life threatening to leave the house on the 30th June but you'll be OK on the 1st July". Perhaps it's like the "if I stand 1m away from Elsie today we will both sadly die but if I stand 1m away tomorrow we will be fine".

Now I've depressed myself again. Can I come to your caravan @Dowser it sounds fabulous! I have cake

Sorry, all my posts seem to be about me shielding, but the rest of MN and RL seems to be so tipped towards the dementory end of the scale on this issue, I really feel like screaming sometimes. It's nice to be able to say how I feel here and know people would understand.

We had a good BBQ last night -- can definitely recommend the morssion box- and tonight we'll be watching a film with their night in box.

Next weekend DH wanted to go to the shops in town - it's the first weekend they'll have been open though - wales - so I'm the one dithering worrried they'll be busy.

Might go and see how bad it is - can't walk to next town over yet - which is a long but very pretty walk - as not sure they'll be loos open.