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Patronii in person, anti Dementors visit the zoo

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ISaySteadyOn · 05/06/2020 11:30

Never started a long running thread before but I figure even lurkers should take a turn. Hope the title ok.

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GoldenOmber · 07/06/2020 12:47

It's so unfair. Why are we punishing children? They don't spread it, they don't die of it. But they are made to suffer because of it.

I think many many people do not really see children as full human beings tbh. At least we’re better than Spain where dogs got to go out to exercise and children didn’t. Angry

Drivingdownthe101 · 07/06/2020 12:48

LivinLaVidaLoki the problem is, the dementors will ignore the fact that there was no second spike because of it, or twist the numbers to make it look like there was a second spike, or claim they due to incubation periods/length of time it takes to be hospitalised etc it could be months before we see the second spike so it’s too soon to tell... dementors do not give up on the dementoring.

dkl55 · 07/06/2020 12:51

@LivinLaVidaLoki you are. - I feel the same. The dementoring on the protests thread is ridiculous and horrible. Agree there is real relish from some posters at the thought of a second wave. Bizarre. And standard demands that those at the protests be denied any medical help "when" they definitely need it in 2-3 weeks time. I'd love to see all those predictions turn to dust.
@thereplycamefromanchorage I've been on a scottish thread with more chat about the schools issue. From what I can make out blended learning means part time schooling. Madness. Check out the thread for more.

dkl55 · 07/06/2020 12:54

Mascotte. - I think I saw somewhere that there was talk about no school uniforms in case a child picked up the wrong blazer or cardigan and thus got infected with the deadly virus... not sure if it was true though Confused

GoldenOmber · 07/06/2020 12:54

From what I can make out blended learning means part time schooling

Yes. Kids in some days and doing “home-based learning” on other days. Scottish parents trying to find out how the hell that’s supposed to work, especially for families where both/sole parents work, have mostly been shrugged at.

Mascotte · 07/06/2020 12:55

Oh, @dkl55 that kind of dementoring would suit me very well 😂

Dowser · 07/06/2020 12:56

I’m going to whisper this one, while mr Dowser is in the shower
Something I had to nip in the bud, several times I caught him saying..well we will all get it at some point.

No we fucking won’t. Some of us will be naturally immune. Like I didn’t get Asian flu in 1957
So , he had a good talking to and he’s not repeating any more of that nonsense in my presence
He can say what he fucking well likes on the Internet, but I won’t hear it in our little oasis of calm here.

It shocked me as we are both into energy and healing work.

Thoughts have legs. Say it often enough, and long enough and as others join in, the very thing you don’t want to happen, might just do that.

I live my life true to myself. I keep my body as healthy as I’m able under the circumstances. I stamp out as much negativity and fear and depress and grief as I am able.
After that I can do no more.
I can’t always raise my vibration to positive at all times, but I don’t have to wallow at the bottom of the pond where all that deep shit lies.
Sometimes just trying to get on an even keel might be all I can muster In a day but that’s still a damn sight better crawling around in the filthy slime.

SpnBaby1967 · 07/06/2020 12:58

I'm so excited, I'm meeting my friend today for some illegal hugs and sharing of prosecco.

I wonder what the death toll will be for sitting in the boot of her car hiding from the rain whilst drinking booze Grin

MorrisZapp · 07/06/2020 12:59

God I need a yellow top. I'll put it on my upcoming birthday list!

My mum and sister are the best people ever, my soulmates in fun and rationality. But we're split on this. They're active Indy supporters (which I respect but don't share) and in order to feed their usual 'Scotland right, England wrong' mindset, they've had to jump some logistical hoops.

Now they're both basically quite invested in an English second wave. These are brilliant, sane women but their hatred of Tories has led them up a covid cul de sac where their need to prove the wrongness of the Westminster gvt overrides their need to get their lives back.

I do notice however that my retired mum seems much more OK with the new normal than my pub loving, office loving sister.

My own prediction is two weeks until the Scottish numbers are all but marginal, with 'no death days' on the menu. Where then for the Indy semi dementors? Maybe they can start complaining about Cummings again.

No disrespect to the Indy voters, they have my love and sympathy. And kisses xx

MorrisZapp · 07/06/2020 13:02

One headline the other day said 80% are immune, god knows where that comes from but I'll take it!

Even in Wuhan where people were locked in small apartments with their ill families, it didn't always spread to others. Some people clearly just don't pick this virus up easily.

Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy · 07/06/2020 13:03

Im a SAHM and doing an open university degree so it’s easy for me. I can’t see how people in other situations can make this work especially beyond lockdown without something breaking and let’s be honest it’s usually the woman. I’d be happy to help people, especially those in dd’s bubble if that’s where we end up but I don’t want to offer thanks to dementors. This whole situation has limited our ability to organise and support each other and the result is the ways we’d usually pull through tricky situations are gone. It’s a mess.

Dowser · 07/06/2020 13:04

Oh I’d love a mum and a sister
I had a lovely mum, she wouldn’t have stuck with this nonsense and I never had a sister or brother😢
Either wouldve been the yellow top on my ice cream

countrygirl99 · 07/06/2020 13:04

When the radio came on this morning someone was talking about Abraham being prepared to sacrifice Isaac and how wonderful it was that he didn't question what God was asking of him. I just lay there and thought he'd be a sodding dementor and wondered why such a lack of critical thought was considered so praise worthy.

SudokuBook · 07/06/2020 13:05

That painting is dire. Who would buy that?

My Gran lived imprisoned in her own body for 5 months after a stroke. If CV had been around then it would have been far preferable. Of course it was sad but she was 86.

Nihiloxica · 07/06/2020 13:08

Yes, Morris, I have seen similar with Irish people I used to consider friends.

TBH I'm far less forgiving of this than you are.

I think nationalism is ugly at the best of times, but when you are literally hoping for people to die because they are English, I think you've crossed a line.

I guess it's more egregious from people from a neighbouring country than Scots who are actually subject to Westminster rule.

Teateaandmoretea · 07/06/2020 13:09

One headline the other day said 80% are immune, god knows where that comes from but I'll take it!

I don’t think it’s necessarily they are immune but they aren’t susceptible. The problem is that no one knows if people who were totally asymptomatic get antibodies or not. There is so much not known and the media just keep clutching desperately onto any number to present it as negatively as possible 🙄

Teateaandmoretea · 07/06/2020 13:10

Google professor Gupta Oxford university

Nihiloxica · 07/06/2020 13:12

That painting is dire. Who would buy that?

🙋‍♀️

I love it.

The grandparents shuffling off to the garden centre and the poor kids still locked up.

Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy · 07/06/2020 13:12

Is there another thread of murderers? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3904314-10-villains-breathing-9-bbqs-smoking-8-online-deliveries?pg=32

Teateaandmoretea · 07/06/2020 13:14

The grandparents shuffling off to the garden centre and the poor kids still locked up.

😂😂

Dowser · 07/06/2020 13:14

Oh well dm reports that Boris wants to get sd down to 1 metre
That’s good news
If our personal space is meant to be 18 inches , then do I really want a stranger nearer than 3 feet?
I don’t think so.
Apparently hundreds of nhs test and trace staff are being let go

And surprise surprise lack of loos in beauty spots, leading to people leaving their waste could spark another health crisis.

KnobChops · 07/06/2020 13:14

@LivinLaVidaLoki

I keep thinking about all these black lives matter protests and the hard dementoring thats going on. I really really hope there is no second spike because of it not just because it would be really good news, but also because then surely, the dementors would have nowhere to go? Easter, VE day, sunny weekends etc etc and now this.

Sorry I'm probably not explaining myself very well here, I didn't sleep well last night.

They ignore all their wrong predictions and will merrily skip onto obsessing over the next piece of doom. I’m not sure if it comes from a place of genuine fear, or a reluctance to return to working out of the home; probably a bit of both.
HesterShaw1 · 07/06/2020 13:19

Oh well dm reports that Boris wants to get sd down to 1 metre
That’s good news

It's in the Times too Dowser. (Incidentally I never thought I would be favouring the Times over the Guardian. Things are properly fucked up. I might use my mum's login details Blush )There is obviously the slightly dementory other side of the story from the scientists who think everything is too soon etc, but I guess that is balanced reporting. Here's the text:

"Boris Johnson has ordered ministers to lift the lockdown quickly to avoid the possible loss of three million jobs.

In a significant shift in the government’s approach to Covid-19, the prime minister signed off new measures to open up the economy at a meeting with Rishi Sunak, the chancellor, on Friday night.

Johnson stepped in after a crunch meeting on Tuesday where he was warned by Alok Sharma, the business secretary, that failure to reopen the hospitality sector in time for the summer could cost up to 3.5 million jobs. Johnson replied: “Christ!”

This morning Matt Hancock, the health secretary, defended the decision to ease restrictions despite scientists warning that the R rate has risen.

John Edmunds, a professor of epidemiology and member of Sage, said that while the R rate was still below one overall, it was “creeping close to one in some places.” He told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that he would like “to see the cases come down lower than they are” before the lockdown measures are relaxed.

But Mr Hancock told Sky’s Sophy Ridge: “We are winning the battle against this disease and that allows us to release some of the restrictions.”

Under plans for the easing of lockdown rules to be unveiled this week:

● Planning controls will be relaxed to enable pubs, cafés and restaurants to use outside areas

● Restrictions on weddings and funerals will go, enabling up to 10 people to attend indoors from early July

● In a potentially historic change, Robert Jenrick, the communities secretary, is also writing legislation to permit outdoor weddings, currently limited to Jews and Quakers

● Places of worship will reopen on June 15 for private prayer, the same day as non-essential shops

● Possible measures to allow hairdressers to reopen before July 4

● Johnson has told Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, to secure “travel corridor” deals with holiday hotspots by June 28

● Shapps is also working on new rules to allow driving instructors back to work.

Mr Hancock said that while the government would be “cautious” in its approach, “Sage’s overall view is that R is between 0.7 and 0.9 and that it is below one in each region of the country.”

The coronavirus alert level, which at four indicates that transmission of the virus is high, is “clearly moving from four to three and the reason for that is because we can see that the number of new infections is coming down,” the health secretary said.

The fears of what one insider called “Jobocalypse Now” have led the prime minister to task a small group of ministers — dubbed the “Save Summer Six” — to draw up measures to return Britain to something like normal life by July.

Non-essential shops are scheduled to reopen on June 15
Non-essential shops are scheduled to reopen on June 15
AMER GHAZZAL
The move is a high-risk gamble, since scientists are warning that the R rate at which the coronavirus is spread is close to the danger level of one, and above it in northwest England and the southwest.

Johnson also wants the government to cut social distancing from two metres to one, if scientific evidence can be found to justify the move. The plan is seen by the six ministers — Sunak, Sharma, Michael Gove, Jenrick, Shapps and Oliver Dowden — as the key to opening up businesses, schools and public transport. It is also backed by Gavin Williamson, the education secretary.

This weekend, Sharma is due to talk to his Dutch and Danish counterparts about how they shifted to one metre, the minimum distance recommended by the World Health Organisation.

One cabinet minister described the changes to lockdown as “long overdue” and said: “It’s right that the emphasis has shifted to the economic side and a return to normal life.”

Downing Street will stress that changes will be in line with scientific advice, and it will leave open the prospect of reimposing some measures in areas where the virus is accelerating.

But a senior source confirmed: “Boris wants us back to normal, or as near to it as possible before the summer.”

Johnson and Sunak are working up plans for an economic stimulus package, due to be unveiled in a speech from the PM later this month and in a formal statement by the chancellor on July 9.

Proposals include lifting restrictions on Sunday trading, a “cash for clunkers” car scrappage scheme, a bank to take on the debts of companies that default on bounce-back loans, a national insurance holiday for employers and a temporary VAT cut.

Jenrick and Johnson’s senior aide, Dominic Cummings, have set up a panel of experts to advise on radical reforms to planning laws that will hand control of decisions from local councils to development corporations owned by the government.

The hospitality industry yesterday voiced support for a halving of the required social distance. The chief executive of UK Hospitality, Kate Nicholls, said: “At two metres you are receiving 30% of your normal revenues; at one metre it gets up to 70% — so it is the difference between success and failure for many of those businesses.”

But there is growing disquiet that ministers are moving without the support of scientists and medical experts. Sir Jeremy Farrar, of the Sage committee of government advisers, warned yesterday that if lockdown lifts too fast there is a danger of a “rebound” of infections. He warned last week: “Covid-19 is spreading too fast to lift lockdown in England.”

NHS chiefs are turning on the government, saying it is too early to ease restrictions without a comprehensive plan in place to cope with a possible second wave of infections. Chris Hopson, head of NHS Providers, accused ministers of “cheap political rhetoric”, according to The Observer today.

Professor Martin Marshall, chairman of the Royal College of GPs, said: “I think the criticism that we can’t see a strategy is a legitimate criticism.”

This morning Professor Edmunds told teh BBC: “I wish we had gone into lockdown earlier. That has cost a lot of lives.” He said that Sage had been operating with little data and poor “situational awareness” in early March that made it difficult to make that recommendation.

However when asked whether he thought the lockdown should have come into force earlier, Mr Hancock said: “No. I think we took the right decisions at the right time. There’s a broad range on Sage of scientific opinion and we were guided by the science.”
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HesterShaw1 · 07/06/2020 13:21

Apparently our total idiot of a PM exclaimed "Christ!" on Tuesday when it was put to him that shutting down the UK tourism season might result in 3 million unemployed. Like it had only just occurred to him.

Christ indeed.

GoldenOmber · 07/06/2020 13:23

Re: the people rubbing their hands about a second wave, I have said this before I think but it reminds me of my (sweet, beloved) granny and funerals. She loooooved funerals. And talking about funerals. And talking about death and terminal illnesses. And making sure you knew about "Brenda from the village, you know, you used to play with her stepdaughter when you were little before they moved away - well lung cancer." She had whole outfits set aside for funerals and she would attend any funeral she was even vaguely connected to ("I feel like I need to show face") and then give you a good report of how it went afterwards.

Thing is she was a nice person. She didn't actually want people to die. She would have been appalled if you said "Granny FFS why do you get such glee out of this?" because in her mind she didn't, she just Took It Seriously. But it still became a weird morbid kind of hobby for her and much though I loved her I cannot deny that she got some odd pleasure out of it.

Same with so many of the people planning for a second wave. They are appalled if you ever say "sounds like some people on here are actually looking forward to this" because in their minds they're not, of course they're not! it would be awful! oooh how awful would it be, there'd probably be corpses in the streets, yes people would drop dead in the streets I bet, wonder where they'd stack the bodies... and so on and so on.

They probably don't WANT it to happen, in the same way that my granny didn't WANT people she knew to die. Like her, they are just Taking It Seriously. But just like her they are certainly getting something out of it.