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Anti dementors visit the zombie beach

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BarkandCheese · 02/06/2020 18:53

New thread! Hope the title is acceptable.

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Ibake · 04/06/2020 10:50

Mrsfrumble - sorry, don't know how to do the bold thing but, oh my goodness, your sentence below has just summed up the worst of social media for me in one phrase!

'They’re just striking the lowest blow that they can because shaming people who disagree with you is what passes for debate on the internet.'

SudokuBook · 04/06/2020 10:53

Several hundred job losses announced locally yesterday :( I suspect this is only the start. The dementors won’t care about that though.

Bollss · 04/06/2020 10:55

sudoku that's awful and unfortunately I suspect you're right. It's crap isn't it. And I feel like some of it could have been avoided. The furlough scheme has only done so much unfortunately. In some cases it has made companies realise they can cope with less staff.

ThatLibraryMiss · 04/06/2020 11:03

@DominaShantotto

Teachers are really going to be fucking themselves over with this "parents need to take charge of educating" thing - they're setting up for a world where we managed with some online providers and teachers just overseeing it while unskilled people did the grunt work back in 2020 - so let's raise class sizes to 60 with the teacher allocating work tasks for someone on minimum wage to supervise the kids doing it brave new world in the future.
They'll struggle with that because of room sizes. More likely is to have the current class sizes with a classroom supervisor each, and one teacher setting work and marking for several classes.

Good luck to any classroom supervisors who do that. I had my fill of pupils telling me, "You can't tell me what to do. You're not a teacher." I know some of the teachers felt the same way about support staff. Behaviour will certainly be an issue.

AgentCooper · 04/06/2020 11:07

@SudokuBook same here Sad is it the plant at Inchinnan you’re talking about? I have two friends who work there for Rolls Royce, it’s horrible.

Bollss · 04/06/2020 11:11

Maybe eventually we just won't have schools at all. Well just have year round (payable!) holiday clubs and have to home educate with some kind of mandatory online school.

Ugh shudders just thinking about it.

TheGreatWave · 04/06/2020 11:16

To be fair some of them did go well over the top. I’ve come across parents whose girls also ballet I don’t know how they find the hours as that is also pretty full on (dd1 gave up ballet for swimming so I’ve experienced both but not at the same time!)

My sister did ballet, swimming (competitive), clarinet, girls brigade. She was never home. My parents don't drive though, so we pretty much got ourselves everywhere alone on the bus.

TheGreatWave · 04/06/2020 11:17

Looker's car dealership have announced further closures and redundancies.

SudokuBook · 04/06/2020 11:44

Yes it is @AgentCooper and also the Blythswood Hotel.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 04/06/2020 11:59

The news of redundancies seems to be getting more and more frequent now. I think a pp had it right, the furlough scheme gave a lot of people a false sense of security, but there's costs other than staff salaries and with lockdown "easing" at a snails pace there's going to be more and more companies that are having to make huge cuts. Or just going under completely.

Teateaandmoretea · 04/06/2020 12:02

I think the dementors will start dementing on job losses as well. Any bad news that they can create disaster out of is welcome Hmm

heroku · 04/06/2020 12:04

I know I sound like an economy dementor but the jobs thing really scares me the most. I've got friends saying "my company is closing down some of its offices so that we can work from home, great!" and I'm thinking - surely this is just the first step in axeing a load of staff?

SomewhereEast · 04/06/2020 12:16

I think the economy thing IS scary. I don't think talking about genuine serious issues in a nuanced fact-based way is 'dementoring'. For example, you can accept that Covid is a real issue which poses a genuine degree of risk to certain demographies without thinking that a 19yo is Surely Going To Die because they shared a park bench with a friend.

Flippetydip · 04/06/2020 12:16

Can I join you please? I know I'm very late to the party but I'm just over the whole thing now. I never agreed with lockdown in the first place and it has become a disaster area. Everything else I look at on MN makes me want to tear my hair out.

Our school is not accepting our year 6s back. The head has taken all the complaints/comments/suggestions on this as a personal affront and is leaving 60 foundation places open "in case parents change their minds". He is then allowing year 1s back in in 2 weeks and then possibly, 2 weeks after that (so a week before the end of term) year 6s. I'm just so disappointed and angry for my year 6 who is struggling so much to stay motivated at home, having almost daily meltdowns and has talked of killing himself. I know that he doesn't mean it as it's at the height of the "tantrum" but it's soul destroying.

I work in travel insurance and fear for my job and my mum is going to into hospital next week to have a growth removed. She has to isolate for 14 days before hand and goodness knows how long afterwards. I want to go and stay with her.

Sorry, that was very whingy. I'm cross and fed up with the situation and the gross over-reaction from so so many people to a disease that is not lethal for the vast majority of people.

Interesting article here from Lionel Shriver
news.sky.com/story/after-the-pandemic-bring-back-the-old-normal-says-author-lionel-shriver-12000147

countrygirl99 · 04/06/2020 12:18

DS2s employer announced 450 redundancies a couple of weeks ago. He will be leaving anyway so has told his boss he is happy to volunteer and is leaving handing in his notice until the last minute. I suspect that the timing isn't going to work out for him though. A friend has texted me today to say her husband's work have announced redundancies and another has a husband at Rolls Royce so they are keeping their fingers crossed too.
Meanwhile there is no news on when DS1 will be unfurloughed and he is getting worried.
It's going to be a rocky ride for many.

countrygirl99 · 04/06/2020 12:20

flippety don't worry about sounding whiney. We understand.

Bollss · 04/06/2020 12:21

Re dementoring on redundancies

I am massively concerned about the economy because it does affect us all directly or not. Nothing wrong with being concerned. Good to be informed too.

But.

When the dementors have nothing health related to Dement about, and the deaths are right down. I have no doubt that this will be the next thing they shout about, even though they've not cared about the economy at all until now.

It will be the same people shouting about job losses that have previously said that women's bad choices have put them in bad positions.

Bollss · 04/06/2020 12:23

Perhaps they'll even be concerned about education when the health related concerns peter out.

fartingsparkles · 04/06/2020 12:23

Sorry been lurking recently but wanted to make some comments. Apologies for length!

Chester Zoo alone employs 900 odd people. About 90% currently furloughed. Even before considering the effect on the animals (which would be horrific), its conservation and research programmes and the opportunities it offers local, national and international visitors, 900 people potentially losing jobs from one employer is bad enough. The local council are now backing the zoo to be opened.

I thought that a lot of the idea behind opening garden centres was to do with the stock going to waste. Many of our local ones have started or increased their deliveries and introduced click and collect.

I completely agree that schools and nurseries are much more than education. Obviously that is a huge primary function of them, and should be delivered by trained professionals. I was one of these. Escaped because of politics, management, staff bullying, like so many others. On average newbies stay in the job 5 years. But schools also offer opportunities for socialisation, peer group development and problem solving language and 'soft' skills development. This isn't going to happen in the same way at home.

On another thread I saw someone ask, if it was the other way around, and kids and young people predominantly affected, but same stats, mainly affecting schools not care homes, would those less vulnerable be as willing to stop their lives in the way that kids have had to? I think they may have, for a few weeks. But I can't see, after nearly 3 months, Doris and Ethel not going to have a cuppa with each other in one of their own houses. Literally being able to do nothing except go for a walk, to all intents and purposes, and effectively putting their lives entirely on hold. And if any objection is suggested, it is shouted down with, you are being protected, you might be super spreader, it's not safe, and it is callous to suggest otherwise.

SudokuBook · 04/06/2020 12:25

The dementors are sad that deaths are reducing so this will give them something else to dement about. Maybe not as enjoyable as countless deaths but still

TheGreatWave · 04/06/2020 12:26

I think the economy thing IS scary. I don't think talking about genuine serious issues in a nuanced fact-based way is 'dementoring'

I agree, job losses is a real threat, and is happening and will continue to happen. This is one of the real negative consequences of a lockdown, but we can't mention that.

I also found out today more ways that the health and care services have been shot to pieces in this overriding desire to "shore up the NHS" I am not sure people fully appreciate the extent of this.

Orangeblossom78 · 04/06/2020 12:26

It kind of feels a bit like it hasn't been thought through very well, that the things opened are more to appease people (voting age) rather than anything else

Orangeblossom78 · 04/06/2020 12:29

Just had an email from school saying we all have to abide by the lockdown out of school (in reply to asking can they play in the little park outside school which is hardly a park really) so I will have to ask DS just to walk straight home which is a bit sad. Don't want any dementing parents or locals having a go at him.

TheGreatWave · 04/06/2020 12:29

The dementors are sad that deaths are reducing so this will give them something else to dement about. Maybe not as enjoyable as countless deaths but still

Nope won't change, because the person without a job isn't dead, so they just need to be grateful they are alive.

Nihiloxica · 04/06/2020 12:33

I think a society taking steps to protect its young is a lot less ugly than a society forcing its young to bear the brunt of a pandemic that overwhelmingly affects the elderly.

So many of these arguments are completely arse about face.

Being willing to harm the young to protect the elderly is not decent or kind, however much sentimentalising you engage in.