Shielding chat continues - thread 2

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Shiny new thread for anyone shielding.

You can vent/moan/cry/chat/lurk whatever you need.

Why am I not surprised that they made tonight’s briefing about yet something else APART from SHIELDING!

They must have known the App wasn’t working before today ffs!

Wonder what curve ball they’ll throw tomorrow!

My kids won't be going back either, and when exH moves to the area, they will also begin shielding (breadwinner is a home worker anyway) so the DCs can go back and forth with no worries. I will be very glad to share the homeschooling!

The great Sheila Hancock plays a character shielding in this 10 min comedy.

Was just about to switch off and saw NI are saying shielded would be able to PAUSE shielding from end of July

@midgetem can you also share what they said? I had a liver transplant and my consultant in early June said a few more months but then Boris changed the rules and fucked off without clear guidelines

I'm scared and don't want to just go back to normal yet.

@plus3, you too have my sympathy. I’m an ex-nurse, largely due to my ill health though my son’s autism diagnosis clinched it. A friend in a similar situation was offered a research job, basement office, lots of computer time. Definitely not everyone’s best idea.

Matt Hancock did fob off Hugh Pym's question about shielding didn't he. Nothing new - keep shielding, everyone will get an individualised letter before end of June (I'll believe this when I see it!)

Hi - may I join.
Been shielding since March 23rd. Working from home as a teacher, but feeling increasingly frustrated as cannot go back to work now more children are back. It is ok, I have been given more than enough work to do, but most are in now on rotation and the assumption is it is easy for me.

@WwMILd

Was just about to switch off and saw NI are saying shielded would be able to PAUSE shielding from end of July

Pausing shielding is a horrible thought, although not surprising. They think that C-19 won't spread as well during hot weather, so maybe we'll get a couple of months of "freedom" and then have to shield again in the Autumn.

My worry is that I'll be so anxious about going back to normal by then that it will take me several weeks to actually brave going out and about much, by which time it will be time to shield again. Also I live in a touristy area - if there are more people around the risks will be higher.

Hi @OrganTransplant123 and @finished31 the renal transplant statistics are as follows of the ones admitted to hospital, 25% die but something like 75% manage at home without needing to go into hospital. We said these statistics are in line with the general population in that of the ones admitted to hospital up to a third died. He said they were noticing the biggest risk factors in renal transplant patients were age, weight, and other cormorbities which they said mainly were heart problems or diabetes.

Basically no renal transplant patient under 45 has died from covid 19

These statistics were from the renal organisation and based on data collection until 21 May.

Forgot the vaccine part - Prioritise those at increased risk of serious disease and death including for example aged over 50 and those with heart and kidney disease.

So does that mean that a big majority of the shielding group should never have been shielded??

@Is2020OverYet I’m only shielding by default, as is DD - it’s DH that has to, so we do it too as easier as a household. You need to take baby steps and build up your confidence - I did it with DD(22). She won’t be going shopping anytime soon, but has been out for 2 proper walks in the last 2 weeks.

Thanks @midgetem.

I'm still convinced now that Boris and his gang of CRANKS have had Covid they don't care about anyone else.

I might as well just go back to work at this rate, I can’t believe they’ve not updated us, some of us have work colleagues who have been holding the fort and that too is stressful for us! I actually could cry out of pure frustration!

I saw the NI briefing where they said hairdressers etc to open on July 6th and shielding would pause at the end of July. I suppose it’s better than saying will end, as that seems final with regards to the help we’ve had.

We need updates and soon!

Actually we need updates and NOW!

Can I say a big thank you to you lovely lot this evening? This is a much needed safe space - I felt so desolate this morning. Marginally better this evening ...I always feel like I can deal with anything just as long as I actually know what it is I have to deal with. Hope I can equally help with others low points xxx

@plus3 it is a safe place isn’t it, we all know how each other is feeling while the world around us moves on.

I was hoping to know more so I could ask at the hospital but they’ll be just as in the dark as me.

to everyone here

Thanks @midgetem that’s reassuring. My consultant didn’t give any indication at all for liver transplant people, just said the information was being collated. Hi @finished31 it’s nice to ‘meet’ another liver recipient.

Glad you are feeling a bit brighter @plus3

@OrganTransplant123 hello!

How long out are you and how you feeling about the new
News? X

If they are saying we will all get a letter explaining what happens next, does this mean they’re not announcing it? And we have to wait for the post? Surely not? Tomorrow is apparently the Summer School announcement (BBC say so anyway) so then we’re in to next week.
@Cloudburstagain hello! 👋 😊 I know exactly how you feel. The guilt is awful. I keep wondering what they’re saying about me in the staffroom : (
@plus3 It’s lovely here isn’t it? Feel very lucky to have found such a nice bunch (albeit in totally pants circumstances).

Hi guys. I am in NI and to be honest the announcements today have angered and saddened me in equal measure. Pausing shielding means what exactly- a few weeks out for good behaviour then when it looks like loads of us have got sick and ordied they will decide to tell us all sorry stay in again we ahouldnt have let you out to spread the disease. Also our "fabulous" education minister has announced todayschools to fo back on 24 August and children need only distance to one metre. However adults still need to use 2 metres so all staff are two metres apart from each other and the children but the kids can all sit in their classrooms one metre apart so theycan squeeze them all in. Why if it isnt safe for adults to drop the 2 metre distance is it suddenly safe for my kids. And howare teachers going to teach from 2 metres away? To be honest it feels like they are playing Russian roulette withkids health. And theystill havent answered questions about bubbling or what happens at meal times? Our local village school has 5 classrooms, one hall and one playground. Corridors are narrow so definitely no distancing even at one metre would be possible and there is one set of toilets. I really think the government are in cloud cuckoo land. They have no idea. And it shows.

Rant over!!

Hello to @OrganTransplant123 and @finished31. I’m always interested in meeting people with liver transplants as I have autoimmune liver disease. So far my disease is under control though my kidneys have recently started complaining (mildly so far) to the meds.

I’m struggling tonight with my brain - I read the same things over and over and can’t remember who said what. I think going out took it out of me - it’s such a stressful situation for all of us just now. We need to all cut ourselves some slack.

@finished31 I don't think anyone trust Boris & Co. Even my consultant said the rules when they first came out were ridiculous and patronising as most patients with transplants are healthy and leading fulfilling life's. Early on, even before it was annouced he told me to get out for walks if I could do somewhere quiet as my mental health is more important, he basically said forget what the government say, and to listen to the team only for updates and that's what I've done from early on.

The only reason I need a note is for my employer as they are allowing me to do limited work from home as I'm sheilding and can't send children to school / nursery. They would like an update as I'm not attending any meetings or speaking to clients as most of my work is done in the evening as in the daytime I have a 2 year old and 5 year old who have interrupted enough client calls in the first couple weeks that my employer asked me not to do work during the day 🙈

• obviously I meant complaining about. My English is fluent usually!

Hi guys. i have a very tough question. One which I need honest opinions about this but no rudeness. I hope you don't mind me asking here but as it is full of shielders I thought it would be better to ask rather that start a new thread.

Dd is 12. My partner is shielded due to chronic asthma. A small cold set off a 3 say asthma attack even the hospital struggled to control.
DDs dad is also supposed to be shielding. He has kidney failure and dialyses.
DD usually (before lockdown) sees her dad on Fridays, when he is well enough physically and mentally to have her.

I have to add that DDs dad is a very in depth conspiracy theorist. More so than any body else I know. 9/11 conspiracy's are preschool conspiracies next to her dadS. Think queen is a lizard/shapeshifter. Royals are sacrificing kids for their own needs.
He does not believe Covid is a thing and believes we have created it in our minds. (Obsession with number creates influenza symptoms apparently)
So there is no virus apart from our own minds.
He is actively leaving his home to show there is no virus, refused to wearing mask in dialysis, won't clean hands after going out and about.
I have not allowed DD to go to her dads. It is not just about him getting poorly. If DDs dad gets it and shows symptoms after a visit, Dd will bring it home. She stands to lose her dad and step dad, my younger girls their dad and me my partner.
If he was careful i would allow her to go to his home. But I cannot trust him. I believe he will actively 'show her' there is no virus by being stupidly dangerous. Not sure how, but as I say there is no trust.

Would you allow her to go to his and am I just being ridiculous?

For clarity DD understands and accepts my reasons, her dad does not and has made the whole process difficult. The stuff he is saying to DD is too much. But that is a whole brand new thread I do not have energy for.

Am I wrong, should she be able to go? What, if you were in my shoes would you do.

Honestly, if he cannot be trusted to keep her reasonably well secluded, then contact should be limited,

Are you in England? If so she won’t be back at school before September so that’s one aspect of her exposure profile you’ll have to sort out, but not yet.

What does your DD think? Not that I’m recommending burdening her with this decision, but what is her relationship with her dad like?

I general, DC should remain in touch with both parents, but in a pandemic when there are shielded people in the household, the need to protect the vulnerable rises up in importance.

Where else if anywhere does she go? Is it overnight contact when she goes see him? Does she feel able to distance sufficiently when at his?