What’s the likely hood of Primary Schools returning to full time in September?

[Ladywinesalot]

Just that really.

I’m full of fear that they schools will only open part time and split classes in half.

I’m in aghast at what the Government has done to the schools and our children.

The impact of this over exaggerated lockdown on the children’s education and mental health is just horrific.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

We cannot carry on like this! We cannot keep the whole country closed for the minority. We should protect that minority and the rest of us should carry on.

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Ladywinesalot I was responding to the post that said that qualifying talk of CV19 deaths in terms of 'ah, well they were over 70 and/or had pre-existing health conditions' was grim.

It is grim.

And given that over half the CV19 deaths have been in care homes, I wouldn't say that we're doing a great job of protecting older people in all honesty.

Can we all agree to stop saying that 'most of the people who die are over 70 or had underlying health conditions'. It's fucking awful

But it's a fact?

Every death matters, of course it does, and every death is a tragedy. But the current situation is unsustainable if we want any kind of functioning society to return to. Statistically it is overwhelmingly older people who are dying, and one of the biggest questions we now need to ask ourselves is for how long our young can be expected to martyr themselves in order to save them. Lockdown, though necessary for a time, has never been in their interest, and by this stage it is doing many young people active harm.

@Ladywinesalot

I have no agenda. No one in my family is shielding. But these threads become callous and pointless. We can all moan and gnash our teeth as much as we like but the reality is that most of the world is facing a very hard time. We are not alone in looking at blended learning and less than ideal returns to schools. It is not no education, it is a disrupted one. It is not forever. Exams can be moved forwards and backwards, as we've seen. Children can have the benfits of socialising for part of the week, or day. Children can be told that we're working together to keep everyone safe, and that sometimes we need to do things that are hard. We need to believe in our children's ability to cope with limited periods of hardship, as well as our own.

I now await to be told I'm a naive demented disgracer or something similar

Keeping kids off school won't make a shit of difference to care home deaths. That clearly needs sorting out but part time schooling will not change that at all what so bleeding ever.

TrustTheGeneGenie of course a full time education for every child is preferable.

But unless we accept that lots and lots more people will die from CV19, that won't be possible for some time.

For those concerned about their child's socialisation, it is now permitted to meet one person outside of your household.

My dc have met with a friend in the local park - it's done them the world of good. Is there a reason that you can't do that?

@Bflatmajorsharp
And given that over half the CV19 deaths have been in care homes, I wouldn't say that we're doing a great job of protecting older people in all honesty.

Then you should be in uproar with those that have failed to protect those in care homes.

Not those of us who want lockdown for the general population to be lifted.

Genie again, you're talking about two separate things.

Schools opening and care home deaths.

My point is that the data indicates very strongly that we haven't protected older people at all.

My point is that the data indicates very strongly that we haven't protected older people at all

No we haven't and it needs addressing it but if keeping schools closed hasn't helped then there is no need to keep them closed. Punishing children isn't going to stop death in care homes. There needs to be a different strategy.

@GalesThisMorning
* Children can be told that we're working together to keep everyone safe, and that sometimes we need to do things that are hard. We need to believe in our children's ability to cope with limited periods of hardship, as well as our own. *

If children can be told this, then do can the over 70’s and those with underlying health conditions. I’m sure adults will have the greater emotional depth to take this on board over a 7 year old child.

And no body is gnashing their teeth, it’s a healthy discussion on a forum.

Very few people are enjoying this situation. Most of us are worried sick about our children for various reasons. But stating that 'schools must open' is as ridiculous as saying that 'this virus needs to stop now'.

Yes. This. Actually I think that is what most people are saying. It's easier to say 'make it stop' to a union head or a teacher than it is to a virus though.

For those concerned about their child's socialisation, it is now permitted to meet one person outside of your household

My dc have met with a friend in the local park - it's done them the world of good. Is there a reason that you can't do that?

Yes. My child is 4 years old.

What's the likelihood of our government being able to pull off something like Germany:
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/world/europe/reopen-schools-germany.amp.html

There is zero chance of schools being back to anything approaching normal in September.

You need to plan for all children being in school for up to half time and home learning the rest of the time. Those plans are already being put in place.

All children will have some time in school but very few will be in full time for many reasons.

@Ladywinesalot saying 'I know you miss your friends and school and I'm sad too, but it will be okay' is not the same thing as telling someone 'you need to be prepared to die but the economy is going to be great' is not the same thing though

Popcorn well, Germany has an incredibly clued up leader, who implemented test and trace immediately, has performed numerous and repeated tests and is completely on top of the spread of the disease.

The UK has Johnson.

So no chance at all, unfortunately.

@Bflatmajorsharp
My dc have met with a friend in the local park - it's done them the world of good. Is there a reason that you can't do that?
I have dc under the age of 7.

Am I supposed to allow them to meet another child of the same age on their own in a park?

Blended learning in this household means more cajoling, meltdowns and a token gesture at doing some work with a varied but limited output.

Meanwhile in the rest of the class, the most advantaged, motivated learners pull ahead, and the least advantanged stagnate and regress. Despite his SENs, DS is not the most disadvantaged. He is naturally bright but not in the conventional sense and he is well sipported. I know his clasd very well and habe concerns for several children who struggle in the best of times.

Blended learning means DS further develops his expertise on modern history from the Smithsonian Channel, but still struggles to write a paragraph that contains grammatical points of jargon and basics such as capital letters and full stops.

The full range of educational support sevices is also needed so children can get access to EHCPs. I had hoped that diagnosis in y4 would mean support for secondary transition in 2 years... my confidence is fading.

He masks now... he won't mask forever...

I think, depending on the coming weeks,they will go back as normal. There will be more emphasis on hand washing and not sending kids to school sick.

I think the reality is the governments are all just making "educated" guesses at what may/will happen. I expected to see a large second spike by now which hasn't happened. People are worried as we are still making massive leaps of faith currently. But the longer we live with the virus the more we know.

You need to plan for all children being in school for up to half time and home learning the rest of the time

How when a lot of families need 2 wages to live?? Go on... Tell all us peasants how to manage...

TrustTheGeneGenie I don't understand.

You're very happy for your child to go back to school and mix with lots of children and you go to work and presumably mix with lots of people.

Yet you haven't met a friend with a similar aged child in a local park?

This is permitted and it's obviously as safe as houses (if schools and workplaces are). I don't understand why you haven't done it.

@GalesThisMorning
'I know you miss your friends and school and I'm sad too, but it will be okay' is not the same thing as telling someone 'you need to be prepared to die but the economy is going to be great' is not the same thing though

Who is telling a group of ppl they need to be prepared to die for the economy? No one is!

Stop making things up and please read posts as they are written.

I expect schools to go back full time by September, mainly because the economy demands that those who are able to earn taxable income do so. The NHS staff that people have been clapping for need to be paid with meaningful currency. Keeping people with primary school children at home long term is going to create a lasting depression.

Ladywinesalot no, you go with them.

If it's okay for children to mix at school and you to mix at work, then you and your children meeting with another family in a local park is a no brainer, surely?

Nobody knows yet but I don't see why they couldn't be open full time from September, with some kids continuing to home school if needed? But then, I'm no expert in epidemiology.