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What’s the likely hood of Primary Schools returning to full time in September?

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Ladywinesalot · 23/05/2020 20:23

Just that really.

I’m full of fear that they schools will only open part time and split classes in half.

I’m in aghast at what the Government has done to the schools and our children.

The impact of this over exaggerated lockdown on the children’s education and mental health is just horrific.

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Shitfuckoh · 23/05/2020 22:07

@GoodGirlGoneBadd

I'm sorry you've been made to feel like a bad parent - whilst your decision is different to the decision I have made, I believe we have both made the decision we think best for our own children.
If it matters, I made mine not because of the virus but because of worry regarding how social distancing would affect my child socially/mentally/emotionally & how this would affect his education (all the measures that have needed to be put in place due to social distancing).

NeverTwerkNaked · 23/05/2020 22:09

I agree @TempsPerdu

Particularly with this: "suddenly adequate education seems to have become an optional extra"

Ladywinesalot · 23/05/2020 22:15

@daisymay133

Those with conditions and over 70 should have been directed to isolate and every support possible should be given to these groups to enable them to do so but it should be business as usual for everyone else - esp kids

This!!
The Goverment failed to put the above into place!

How did the Goverment not communicate with other countries who were ahead of the U.K. on the virus transmission to access what the demographic of deaths was?

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Aragog · 23/05/2020 22:15

I will return to work when my head teacher tells me too and when the Government advisors tell me it's safe for me to do so. As it happens so far the Government tells those who are clinically vulnerable that its not quite the time yet and that those people should work from home where possible, or be risk assessed and do alternative non-class facing roles in school instead.

It doesn't mean I'm not concerned for my health though - and the mental and emotional health of my family if I did catch it and become ill or worse. As a family we've already dealt with two deaths during lockdown, albeit both had existing health conditions. I'd rather my family didn't need to deal with any more right now.

I'm not elderly. I'm 47, so not old. Yes, I have an existing health condition but one that wouldn't normally lead to early death and a lower life expectancy. Of course Covid is concerning when you have some form of existing health condition.

It'd be good if we had a breakdown of what those dying with existing conditions actually had, so it'd be easier to make that risk assessment.

I'd live nothing more than everything to be back to normal. To be teaching those young children like before.

Ladywinesalot · 23/05/2020 22:20

@Aragog Are you waiting for a vaccine before you return to working in a school?

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Raaaa · 23/05/2020 22:23

Tbh I'd rather get back out there, have some normality and risk getting it, my family have a good chance of fighting it off, not everyone is in this position I know.

KittenVsBox · 23/05/2020 22:23

@Ladywinesalot typical vaccine development is 10-15 years. But, in this case the whole world is throwing everything they can at it.

We are exceptionally "fortunate" I have been unable to get a job over the past 12 months, so am at home FT, and DH can concentrate on his job, which is reasonably secure. But me and 2 kids cannot replicate the social element of school, or the diversity of a school environment. I'm also not a trained teacher. I dont have a clue how to get the kids to write a good story.
My kids are physically safe at home -which is more than can be said for some.
Our household income has been unaffected enough that paying the bills and buying food isnt an issue- which is more than can be said for some.
Our home set up means there is someone available UK guide the kids through the school work, with suffucient devices and broadband to do the work- there will be many households where this isnt the case.
In short, we are probably in as good a situation as we could be to deal with this - yet I still feel my kids would be better at school for their mental health gained from social interaction.

I dont think schools will be back FT in September.

GalesThisMorning · 23/05/2020 22:25

If this was only the UK I'd be with you. The fact that globally many countries are being forced to practice many of the same measures indicates that we may just need to be patient, wait and see, and continue to tell our children that in the long run they will be okay. We don't have any other options, at the moment.

Hopefully by September the R number will be lower and measures can be eased.

AllsortsofAwkward · 23/05/2020 22:27

How longs a piece of string op. Seriously though I'm sorry you've be inconvenienced by this pandemic but you do know almost 40 thousand people died and far more would have if not for this "exaggerated"lockdown Hmm

Bollss · 23/05/2020 22:28

allsorts do you know that people will have died because of this lockdown?

GalesThisMorning · 23/05/2020 22:30

Can we all agree to stop saying that 'most of the people who die are over 70 or had underlying health conditions'. It's fucking awful. And also the idea that the vulnerable should shield themselves - can someone for the love of god please explain to me how that works? I must be thick cuz I don't get it. Shielding in their homes with loved ones who are still going to work etc with no social distancing taking place? So not really that shielded then. Or do we envision some sort of purpose built facility?

Someone please explain it to me.

Bflatmajorsharp · 23/05/2020 22:30

I can't see how schools will be back full time in September, given the global picture at the moment.

Rather than issuing endless documents on the minutiae of some years returning by 1 June at the earliest, I wish the govt were directing and financing schools to be able to provide some sort of blended learning for most children, and distant learning for shielded children by September.

So, funding fast broadband for families that don't have it, upgrading broadband in areas where it is patchy, ensuring that all families with school aged children have laptops, phones etc (there must be thousands upon thousands of unused laptops in the country), up-skilling teachers to provide distant learning, providing teaching to children and parents about how to access it, setting up teacher support hubs etc etc.

This would enable schools to start on the front foot in September and - hopefully and likely - move back to full-time classroom work as the virus is better contained.

Bollss · 23/05/2020 22:31

Can we all agree to stop saying that 'most of the people who die are over 70 or had underlying health conditions'. It's fucking awful

But it's a fact?

Bollss · 23/05/2020 22:32

So, funding fast broadband for families that don't have it, upgrading broadband in areas where it is patchy, ensuring that all families with school aged children have laptops, phones etc (there must be thousands upon thousands of unused laptops in the country), up-skilling teachers to provide distant learning, providing teaching to children and parents about how to access it, setting up teacher support hubs etc etc

Yeah none of that solves the problem that in a lot of families both parents work.

Bflatmajorsharp · 23/05/2020 22:33

It may well be a fact, but it's dismissing those individuals as some sort of collateral damage.

Bollss · 23/05/2020 22:34

It may well be a fact, but it's dismissing those individuals as some sort of collateral damage

A bit like children are then?

Ladywinesalot · 23/05/2020 22:35

@AllsortsofAwkward
What an incredibly ignorant and unhelpful post. You really do live up to your username...

@trustthegenegenie I wonder if they will ever release the figures for the deaths caused by lockdown. Or the suicides from lockdown. Or the increase in child abuse because of lockdown? Or the increase in domestic violence because of lockdown?

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AllsortsofAwkward · 23/05/2020 22:35

TrustTheGeneGenie
Many have also survived my father included. This is something that wasn't done lightly, you only had to look what was happening to over countries. This isnt something this government has done lightly and has followed suit with the rest of the countries. We just got to get on with it and I say this with 3 school age children and I'm self employed. Boris told people to stay at home they didn't listen they took the piss so yes lockdown had to happen.

AllsortsofAwkward · 23/05/2020 22:36

Lady have a Biscuit

Bollss · 23/05/2020 22:36

Yes I agree lockdown had to happen. And now it needs to stop because it's caused more problems than its solved.

BogRollBOGOF · 23/05/2020 22:37

I need my DCs to have access to education. They are primary age, but not the year groups going back in early June.

DS1 has autism, dyslexia and dyspraxia. He functions through school, masks through by immitating his peers and crashes at home. At home, he doesn't have to mask so I get the real DS, the one who isn't pretending that it doesn't hurt to grip a pencil due to sensory processing disorder. He hasn't got anyone elses cues to follow. Roles are muddled and he can't handle that. He's not in a learning environment, he's at the kitchen table which is there to eat at. There is the distraction of a TV in the room next door and the rest of his possessions. He doesn't give a toss that I have a decade of teaching experience; in his mind, I'm his mum and my job is to mum, not be a teacher (despite being used to my presence helping out in school including some of his interventions). Home learning is frankly, a disaster. No rainbows in our windows. It's a good day if I get a few coherant sentences written down, and I have a proffessional background and a good reputation in teaching sets dominated by SEN.

Children like DS are not going to catch up effirtlessly. This is a 9 yo who still forgets how to write his name accurately despite having every other statistical advantage in his favour.

As to DS2, as a summer term y2, (possibly dyslexic) he's not benefiting from DS1 as his only peer.

Children are suffering.
The lonely.
The children without access to educational resources. The children at struggling schools where most don't have access to computers, printers or pencils and paper.
The children with parents who don't have time because they have to prioritise financial surviival.
The children with parents who can't intellectually support them.
The children who have been bereaved and have no access to their usual support mechanisms.
The abused.
The over-crowded.
The children whose needs are being neglected unnecessarily by excessively risk adverse and anxious parents who will not take them out in the absence of a specific health concern.
The children who will develop anxiety disorders (social, OCD etc) after months and months of social exclusion.

There are children who are paying an emotional toll which will be carried out for life.

There are children who will not reach adulthood, not because of Covid 19 but because their carers will murder them, or because they will be so damaged that in future years they commit suicide or die of addictions and mental health disorders. The death toll of this will be felt for decades.

Is this really a cost worth paying through the years to preserve a low risk demographic?

Nothing is risk free. I look both ways before walking my children to school across the road because sratistically they are more likely to die in a RTA.

It concerns me that my children will be denied access to appropriate education until social distancing/ bubble rules relax and there is the capacity for their year groups.

I already sacrificed my career because it was incompatible with DS1's needs. I am deeply fortunate that my financial and professional survival is not dependent on full time schooling and wrap-around care. I can tolerate part-time schooling but millions of families can not.

Access to education is a feminist issue as well as a matter of children's rights.

Bflatmajorsharp · 23/05/2020 22:37

TrustTheGeneGenie no it doesn't, but that is a separate issue.

If it's safe enough for the vast majority of the population to go out to work, it's safe enough for the vast majority of children to be at school.

If there is at least one parent wfh, this would at least be an attempt to level the playing field in terms of socioeconomic differences.

I do think that after children of keyworkers, the next group of children guaranteed places at schools should be those from lone parent households. Then households where both parents work.

And what would the alternative be? If schools can't open full time, they can't open full time. Even when they are, there'll be no guarantee of after school provision or breakfast clubs. That won't solve the problem of working parents either.

Bollss · 23/05/2020 22:37

I wonder if they will ever release the figures for the deaths caused by lockdown. Or the suicides from lockdown. Or the increase in child abuse because of lockdown? Or the increase in domestic violence because of lockdown

Of course they won't because only covid deaths matter and fuck everyone else!

GalesThisMorning · 23/05/2020 22:38

*Can we all agree to stop saying that 'most of the people who die are over 70 or had underlying health conditions'. It's fucking awful

But it's a fact?*

Yeah fuck em right. They a) had their time b) were probably due to die this year anyway c) probably weren't even serving the economy very hard

Voice0fReason · 23/05/2020 22:38

The lockdown should have applied to the over 70’s and those with existing health conditions.
These people live in families. If their families are going out as normal then it becomes impossible to shield the most vulnerable group.
Some need ongoing medical attention or care. How is that provided if the virus is spreading so widely?

The NHS hasn't been overwhelmed BECAUSE of the lockdown. The lockdown is the only thing that got the numbers coming back down.