What’s the likely hood of Primary Schools returning to full time in September?

[Ladywinesalot]

Just that really.

I’m full of fear that they schools will only open part time and split classes in half.

I’m in aghast at what the Government has done to the schools and our children.

The impact of this over exaggerated lockdown on the children’s education and mental health is just horrific.

It's not a bloody seperate issue! You can give out all the laptops you like but if there's no parent around to help it won't make a shite of difference.

Schools need to open properly. There is no alternative that doesn't mean kids losing out and families ending up in poverty.

@GalesThisMorning
Well it would work like the current lockdown but instead of the entire population it would be the most likely to die from covid, the over 70’s.

Besides, having months off is pretty normal in countries like Spain, where they have 3 month summer holiday

I used to live in Spain. Yeah they had long summer holidays... where they went on holiday, visited family, played with friends, went to museums, parks, zoos... can you see how that’s different to what is happening to our children now?

TrustTheGeneGenie 'a bit like children are then?

Um, no. I don't think anyone has said 'oh well, they were a child' when a child has sadly died from anything, let alone CV10 have they?

I haven’t read the full thread yet but I think the Government is going to get their arse fucking handed to them if this shit show is still going on in September. Children need to be educated and socialised. Parents need to go back to being parents and carers and working, if that’s what they usually do. The elderly and vulnerable need to be supported and shielded and the rest of us need to get on with it. That includes teachers, I’m afraid, and it’s going to come to the point where teachers will have to leave their position if they can’t commit to that - just like millions of working parents are now having to face the prospect of leaving their employment because they are being expected to educate their children from home either on a full or part time basis. The whole thing is a fucking sociological disaster.

@Ladywinesalot - agree with you 100%

@Worriedaboutthefuture1 my thoughts exactly x

Um, no. I don't think anyone has said 'oh well, they were a child' when a child has sadly died from anything, let alone CV10 have they

No but they're collateral damage in the sense that they've had their education taken away. Their friends taken away. Lots of them will be in poverty now too. But oh well they're not dying of covid so it doesn't matter.

@Ladywinesalot and the medically vulnerable? And their families too I presume?

Those that will die from it may not die today from covid because of lockdown, but they still will.

It’s just not that simple though is it. Buying time can be a game changer. Medical staff become more experienced at handling the disease which may mean there will be less deaths.

More time potentially means more existing drugs can be tested which may help and which may mean less deaths.

More time time may mean the Government may manage to get an effective track and trace system up and running which may prevent some of those you are saying will get it and die may never get it so less deaths.

More time may mean medics can work out why the massive disparity between our figures and Germany. We have things to learn from other countries so more time may mean that lessons may be learned and result in less deaths.

So to say the same amount of people will die just over a longer time is not necessarily true.

In answer to your original question I have no idea, no one does at this stage.

@GalesThisMorning

Yeah fuck em right. They a) had their time b) were probably due to die this year anyway c) probably weren't even serving the economy very hard

Nobody is saying we should euthanasia the over 70’s!
The group that is at highest risk should be protected by shielding.

Please stop misinterpreting what this thread is highlighting for your own agenda.

TrusttheGeneGenue it is a separate issue.

One is about the right and need for children to be educated.

The other is about the need for working parents to have childcare while they work.

They're not the same thing, although they are usually conflated.

Of course children should be with their peers in school. But unless we are all happy to accept that lots more people including possibly ourselves or our family members will die, that it doesn't matter who is supervising the children in schools (there won't be enough teachers as some aren't able to go into their workplace due to their health status, or maybe you think their health doesn't matter), it doesn't matter what they do in school as long as they're being cared for, that social distancing doesn't matter or it does and there won't be physical space for all the children, schools can't open at the moment, and may well not be able to in September.

Very few people are enjoying this situation. Most of us are worried sick about our children for various reasons. But stating that 'schools must open' is as ridiculous as saying that 'this virus needs to stop now'.

The alternative of blended learning and poverty is not ok. I won't ever accept that it's ok.

We won't have an NHS to treat people soon because well have no money to keep it running.

@FoolsAssassin
That’s a valid point about buying more time.

But how much time is needed before the effects to buy more time out weighs the ill effects of being in lockdown?

We surely cannot continue lockdown for another 6 months and think it’s a benefit to the population?

worried And if teachers did leave their employment how do you envision ever getting children back to school given the depths of the recruitment crisis? Jesus. Who’d want to be a teacher now?

Genie lots of older people and people with disability live in poverty, with nothing meaningful to do and are very isolated.

Of course children's welfare matters. But the point is that so does the welfare of older people and those with underlying health conditions. That's why it's so grim when their deaths are dismissed as collateral damage.

@BogRollBOGOF
It seems that children with additional learning needs are being massively ignored. I really do feel for you, you and your family don’t deserve to treated like this.

Unlikely

worried And if teachers did leave their employment how do you envision ever getting children back to school given the depths of the recruitment crisis? Jesus. Who’d want to be a teacher now?
Why does that matter now? The parents are the ones being left to teach their children and if the Inions have their way it will take years to get the kids back into full time education. In the meantime our taxes are helping towards paying for a service we aren’t receiving.
I’m about to lose my job because I can’t get back into the office to do it, so please excuse me for not feeling very benevolent.

Unions

lots of older people and people with disability live in poverty, with nothing meaningful to do and are very isolated

Oh right so let's do it to kids too even though we don't have to? Seems like a fab solution.

Of course children's welfare matters. But the point is that so does the welfare of older people and those with underlying health conditions. That's why it's so grim when their deaths are dismissed as collateral damage

They haven't been dismissed as collateral damage. It's been noted because generally with the exception of a few teachers (who can and should remain at home) schools are not going to be full of at risk people. They're full of children who are a very low risk.

Shielded people can remain so.

We cannot carry on like this! We cannot keep the whole country closed for the minority. We should protect that minority and the rest of us should carry on.

@Bflatmajorsharp
But they are not collateral damage!
The lockdown is in effect protecting that very group of people in a a disproportionate manner.

TrustTheGeneGenie I agree that poverty isn't okay. I'm not sure that anyone has suggested that it is, have they?

Poverty levels were increasing before lock down. That wasn't okay either.

Blended learning isn't ideal, of course it's not. But if it's a choice of that of some children having no access to learning, I would say that's preferable.

Let’s stop calling it blended learning. For most, it will be part time learning.

But if it's a choice of that of some children having no access to learning, I would say that's preferable

No what's preferable is a full time education for every child. Blended learning is a disaster waiting to happen.