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Despicable Anti Dementors

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Mascotte · 15/05/2020 20:41

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Nihiloxica · 16/05/2020 13:01

Well, it's possible now. Schools never shut in Sweden.

Them being closed is a choice.

Now that they are closed, people who are reluctant to see them reopened will make it as hard as possible for them to open again.

That's one of the dangers of a lockdown.

Mrsfrumble · 16/05/2020 13:03

No shopping washing or post quarantining here. Or gloves. I just hand sanitizer shopping with me and use it as soon as I’m out of the shop. The streets round here are littered with discarded plastic gloves and disposable masks.

I’ve just seen a Guardian comment piece saying, basically, that it’s not worth sending children back before September now anyway because it will only be for a few weeks. I’m certain it would be absolutely fucking worth it for my children. For DS school is about so much more than education (and as I said before, it’s not about childcare for our family either) and the best part of 6 months without it is going to set him back so far. I feel like children like him have been completely forgotten.

Bollss · 16/05/2020 13:04

I'm sick of hearing about Kawasaki. Apparently it is very treatable and I am very very aware that my child is more likely to die of something else. I do not however keep him in the house all the time just in case.

countrygirl99 · 16/05/2020 13:05

Another grey here, literally and metaphorically. I get equally annoyed with both extremes, the "you want lockdown to stay forever" and the "your killing people" gangs. But most of all I get pissed off with inaccurate media stories that either fuel fear or give unreasonably optimistic hope. My point of view is that we need to learn to live with the virus at some (hopefully low) level because even if there is a vaccine widely available soon there will be enough people who are either anti-vax /cautious about a new one / unable to have it to keep it going with occasional local flare ups. We will have to rethink some aspects of our lives and some activities will become more expensive due to more spacing in restaurants etc but we need to start getting on with life.
My normal work is on hold so I have been seconded to Covid response work and looking at how long term social distancing impacts working practices, workspace layouts etc is really impactful and quite a challenge. I am hoping I can continue working from home for at least part of the week but I really miss meeting people outside my household.

justasking111 · 16/05/2020 13:15

I think we are lonely aren`t we. Missing family, friends, colleagues, who we know full have been as locked down as us for two months. The VE day drunks (myth perhaps) are so far outside our circle as to be irrelevant.

thereplycamefromanchorage · 16/05/2020 13:20

Thank you for this thread - joining in for some sanity.

Waleshasgonecompletelycrazy · 16/05/2020 13:22

@TrustTheGeneGenie I didn't know that about Kawasaki. It's my own fault - I haven't fact checked Facebook/Twitter posts about it. Should know better by now!

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 16/05/2020 13:23

The speed at which these threads move surely tells us something about the need for anti-dementoring.

Come to hide on here because I'm a teacher that wants to go back to school and thinks that the students' mental health should come first. Which makes me a murdering cow, obviously, and a betrayer of my people too.

Drivingdownthe101 · 16/05/2020 13:24

I have a child who has had Kawasaki syndrome as a result of an entirely different virus. Wasn’t pleasant but she’s fine.

justasking111 · 16/05/2020 13:26

As for side effects, well my nether regions think they are full of itching powder, sitting around in leggings too much. Just had to put a bra on my right nipple is on fire now. Minor in the scheme of things but still bally annoying.

justasking111 · 16/05/2020 13:27

The media are inferring that kawasaki syndrome is unique to covid, which is irritating.

thatgingergirl · 16/05/2020 13:28

Backing up the thread some way - thank you GoldenOmber for posting the link to the Children's Commissioner and the excerpt you have quoted. So much sense there.

ilovecardigans · 16/05/2020 13:43

Thank you so much for this thread. Especially pages 12 & 13. Thank you for saying what I've been keeping inside my head for weeks now re dementia sufferers and never dared express it.

My mother was finally diagnosed with dementia 10 years before she finally died in a care home. For the last 3 years of her life she was catatonic - bedridden, doubly incontinent, non-verbal. It was tortuous for her and her loved ones. Eventually, 2 years ago she lost the ability to swallow and was put on end of life care, which basically involved pumping an assortment of drugs into her (so she didn't 'suffer' - HA!) while she slowly starved/dehydrated to death. I was advised that she would last no more than a few days, so I dutifully sat by her bedside for hours on end. Unbelievably, she hung on for almost 2 weeks. It was undoubtedly the most horrific experience of my life - I still have nightmares about it and a Hell of a lot of unresolved anger that she suffered such an undignified, cruel end.

I would far rather that (like my father) she had had died years earlier from a short respiratory illness like pneumonia or indeed Covid-19 before she had to suffer the worst indignities of dementia.

Also, my father-in-law recently died from lung cancer and his funeral was held shortly before lockdown was announced. My husband hasn't been able to see or hug his mother since then. That poor woman has lost the man she shared her life with for nearly 60 years and has been alone and heartbroken without the comfort of a single human touch for weeks now. She lives in Scotland, we live in England (in the borders, so not far from each other) so God knows when we'll even be allowed to go and even wave through the window at her. It's fucking monstrous. I'm so fucking angry right now I could go nuclear.

Fuck. This. Shit.

Sorry for long post. I feel much better now!

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 16/05/2020 13:45

Flowers cardigans, that's a horrendous experience.

Why is no-one on government talking about this?

justasking111 · 16/05/2020 13:46

Just reading about people flocking to Brighton complete with pics. of police stopping them. Puzzled because so many people can go any day of the week, so who has to rush there today RAC estimating 15million on the road today.

Yesterday Asda the queue snaked for miles, why do we have to shop on Friday or at the weekend. I understand those working full time, but those on shift work not so much. One woman in Aldi had a panic attack in the queue yesterday for the checkouts, it wound up and down two whole aisles.

justasking111 · 16/05/2020 13:47

Cardigans that is inhuman the poor woman.

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 16/05/2020 13:50

People on my FB are almost strumming one out in delight that the R number has risen to 0.7-1.0. Like this confirms their assertions all along, that Boris is a homicidal maniac who just wants to kill off the poor and elderly.

Oh gosh do we know the same people? It's unbearable. They seem to almost be enjoying every bit of bad news now. I can't get my irritation with them out my mind today, it's bugging me so much. I have been sorely tempted to go back on Facebook and respond with my opinion but I am stopping myself. What will that achieve? It will wind me up badly and they don't want to listen. They are determined to be miserable and pessimistic and hold onto the idea the Tories want to kill us all (I'm not a Tory fan, incidentally but you need balance don't you?). I genuinely need new friends. That's really sad because they have lots of lovely qualities but my blood pressure goes through the roof when I talk to them and they all now seem so strident. Sad

I'm also in the grey area incidentally. I don't want everyone mixing freely immediately - I think the virus needs to be respected in that a minority of healthy people do die from it. And the more we can slow the spread, the less strain there is on the NHS. If we can slow it down and there is a particularly effective vaccine then overall lives will hopefully be saved (I'm thinking younger people with certain chronic health problems more than anything. Death is natural when you're elderly). But I also strongly think that the majority of the population have sacrificed enough over the last few weeks. It was worth us all taking action to learn more about the virus, get more PPE in place, look at more of the science being done all over the world. But we're tipping into a place where people are coming to harm and that is going to increase massively the longer this goes on. People need to be working, children need to be in school, people need to be allowed to mix with loved ones (if they do so cautiously and aren't silly buggers). There are lots of needs to balance so minimum harm is done.

ilovecardigans · 16/05/2020 13:52

Thank you so much SirSamuel & justasking. Bloody Hell, I'm having a wee cry to myself now. This has been building up for a bit, I think.

I think I probably need counselling or something.

Nihiloxica · 16/05/2020 13:54

Oh cardigans Flowers

That is so awful. I'm so sorry for the loss of your Mum and your FIL.

I'm also on the wrong side of a border from family Sad. It's shit.

Bollss · 16/05/2020 13:54

Ah Wales I wasn't have a go at you mentioning it in passing Smile more the "we can't open schools cos Kawasaki"

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 16/05/2020 13:57

Fuck. This. Shit

Cardigans, I'm so sorry. That's inhumane. I totally feel your rage - I'm sitting here with similar feelings but just in a different situation. I'm seeing a lot of people starting to get very angry now.

I have spent many years feeling we do death wrong in this country. I hate care homes. The whole concept of people sitting rotting in them is barbaric to me. I appreciate some are nice and they are necessary for short spells but the last time I went in one to visit a partner's mum, I came out thinking I am never, ever going to end up like that. So many people in them have no quality of life. We seem to want people to live at all costs these days - I had a grandparent who spent 10 years in a home. For some of that, she got some pleasure out of talking to staff and visitors. But she was given all sorts of care she shouldn't have been given. She wanted to die for a long time before she actually did. And she was so scathing about people who couldn't let loved ones go. It was unnatural to her. I don't really understand why more people aren't enraged by how people live in such places. I've no doubt lots of the staff are wonderful and try hard but it's so undignified isn't it? A death thanks to a short respiratory illness is a natural thing. It's far less brutal than a very drawn out death thanks to lots of other illnesses.

Bollss · 16/05/2020 13:57

@ilovecardigans I'm so sorry to hear that. It can't have been easy for you at all. We never want to see loved ones suffering. It does seem cruel. Flowers

GoatyGoatyMingeMinge · 16/05/2020 13:59

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-52687448

Coronavirus: Italy to lift travel restrictions as lockdown eases

Lockdown loonies won't like this. But sssh, as we can see from the data lockdowns make no difference (Belgium v holland).
Reopen schools and borders. Let's enjoy the summer. Protect the vulnerable. Let the hysterics do what they want as long as it doesn't needlessly damage the rest of us.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 16/05/2020 14:01

Just seen this posted
Beaches packed today. Hopefully the wind is blowing rona off into the sea
Is it just me who gets irrationally annoyed when people say 'rona' or 'the rona'

LivinLaVidaLoki · 16/05/2020 14:02

@GoatyGoatyMingeMinge
YES!
Can that fit on a placard?